Soft Start to Carnivore

craigheon
craigheon Posts: 173 Member
in Health and Weight Loss
After my first "soft start" to Carnivore and tracking calories and macros this week, I just weighed in to the tune of a 4.7 lb loss this week. Pretty psyched for a great start! Anyone else doing Carnivore that I can follow? I have books on the way because I need recipes and ideas to make this sustainable!

SW: 211
CW: 206
Age: 45 M
Height: 5' 6"

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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,332 Member
    edited January 11
    Here's 50 recipes. Some will have small amounts of plant material and are basically keto.

    https://lowcarbspark.com/carnivore-recipes/
  • chris_in_cal
    chris_in_cal Posts: 2,624 Member
    edited January 11
    I'm still grappling with the fanboy doctors who eschew the value of fiber and the other 99.8% of those in the healthcare world who see it as important.

    I'm keeping open minded, though "grappling" still.

    Congrats on getting started, and dropping some lbs., I hope it works out for you.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,332 Member
    edited January 11
    chris_in_cal wrote: »
    I'm still grappling with the fanboy doctors who eschew the value of fiber and the other 99.8% of those in the healthcare world who see it as important.

    I'm keeping open minded, though "grappling" still.

    Congrats on getting started, and dropping some lbs., I hope it works out for you.

    It's difficult to understand, no doubt about it, and I've had the same concerns, but the science isn't really there where fiber is actually "essential" for life and then there's the pure lack of real science in nutrition itself, simply because that's an impossibility to predict longevity or mortality, so it's a bit confusing as far as I can tell. It appears that people including the many doctors that advocate the carnivore diet who many have been on the carnivore diet for years and decades seem to think fiber, as you say, is over blown and more ideology based on the general state of the understanding of nutrition. imo
  • chris_in_cal
    chris_in_cal Posts: 2,624 Member
    neanderthin wrote: »
    there's the pure lack of real science in nutrition itself, simply because that's an impossibility to predict longevity or mortality, so it's a bit confusing as far as I can tell.

    Yes, messaging is difficult. I won't try to qualify science as 'real' or some other category. Real scientist disagree on results.

    it appears that people including the many doctors that advocate the carnivore diet who many have been on the carnivore diet for years and decades seem to think.

    These anecdotes from doctors and @craigheon are compelling. A person in my life is giving her anecdotal support of trying a carnivore diet. I'm listening to these anecdotes and trying to stay open minded.

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,332 Member
    chris_in_cal wrote: »
    neanderthin wrote: »
    there's the pure lack of real science in nutrition itself, simply because that's an impossibility to predict longevity or mortality, so it's a bit confusing as far as I can tell.

    Yes, messaging is difficult. I won't try to qualify science as 'real' or some other category. Real scientist disagree on results.

    it appears that people including the many doctors that advocate the carnivore diet who many have been on the carnivore diet for years and decades seem to think.

    These anecdotes from doctors and @craigheon are compelling. A person in my life is giving her anecdotal support of trying a carnivore diet. I'm listening to these anecdotes and trying to stay open minded.

    The doctors and scientists that promote and argue that humans thrive better and improve health outcomes when consuming more meat in the diet bears out in the literature, it's just not mainstream, but it's starting to, simply because how the internet and data retrieval is now available which allows every person to have access to that same data these same doctors and scientists have.

    The notion that we need to eat a balanced diet, eat the rainbow, avoid red meat and saturated fat is nonsense, literally flying in the face of what humans have not only existed on but what's supplied humans with enough amino acids and fat to facilitate the increased brain size for these evolutionary processed to unfold. What other animals on the planet need to eat a balanced diet and eat the rainbow in order to survive and thrive, none, and are we not just animals after all.

    Plant food back then were mostly poison and even today the general consensus is we wouldn't just walk into the woods and start eating every berry or root we could find, that would not be a good plan for survival. Meat on the other hand is perfectly fine to consume of just about any source available then and today, which also offered humans the most calories for the amount of energy expended gathering them, which is referred to as the "optimal foraging theory". We can literally go back in our genus 3.5 million years when we were Australopithecus afarensis, basically bi-petal apes mostly from the area around Ethiopia indicating our early human ancestors were butchering animals and extracting marrow using stone tools referred to as oldowan tools from the anthropologic evidence.

    The thousands of antidotal stories from people consuming a carnivore diet and the popularity over the last few decades of clinics dealing specifically with metabolic dysfunction have used the ketogenic diet as the prominent diet and more recently they're also using the carnivore diet for extreme cases, much like the Mikhaila Petersons of the world where she transformed a life of disease and coined the "lion diet" which is now a thing amoung carnivores.

    Of course I find all of this compelling to say the least but I've already gone down the rabbit hole many years ago, so I have a good excuse, lol.
  • chris_in_cal
    chris_in_cal Posts: 2,624 Member
    neanderthin wrote: »
    Of course I find all of this compelling to say the least but I've already gone down the rabbit hole many years ago, so I have a good excuse, lol.
    Yes, that's pretty clear. :) I've read you before and I hope it keeps on working well.

    My eyes glaze over in conversations citing what we did two hundred thousand years ago. I've just started Sheldrake's book on fungi. He described how in 3500 BC Europe Otzi (the frozen preserved mummy discovered in 1991) had a pouch with a dried fungus which has penicillin-esque antibiotic properties. Just an anecdote, but preliterate people were eating poison fungus and non-poison fungus, differentiating the two, and consuming ones that perhaps showed them good results.. Why not celery vs. nightshade too?
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,332 Member
    I'm familiar with the "Iceman" and yeah I knew about the fungus found on him and apparently it was for intestinal parasites and maybe other ailments as well. Imagine being chased and getting away with an arrow in you to only die later, and that's only speculation based on the arrow hit his shoulder. Fascinating stuff really, well if your interested in early human evolution, which I am. :)
  • totameafox
    totameafox Posts: 109 Member
    Fur... the 'fiber' of carnivores :D
  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 4,039 Member
    totameafox wrote: »
    Fur... the 'fiber' of carnivores :D
    😁 😂 😀 🤣
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,332 Member
    Corina1143 wrote: »
    totameafox wrote: »
    Fur... the 'fiber' of carnivores :D
    😁 😂 😀 🤣
    LOL, that is quite funny. :D

    Fiber is now the new kid on the block and elevated to new height's never seen before and must be worshiped at all costs. We don't talk about food anymore we've been trained to think in terms of protein and fiber and are what's important, yet if we get the protein from the plant world which delivers fiber exclusively it comes along with the gut issues that follow.

    70+ million people in the USA suffer with IBS, IDS and GERD which represents about 20% of the US population and then there's another 25-30% who don't have these digestive diseases but do complain of digestive and stomach issues on a constant basis, so basically half of the American population wake up every morning complaining of some kind of digestive and stomach issue.

    The Harvard Carnivore study of 2020 showed that 97% experienced an improvement in gut and digestive issues with 70% experiencing complete relief from their IBS symptoms.

    Plants have compounds that humans don't like and that's because plants can't run away from animal and insects etc so they've evolved by creating their own chemical warfare hardware to protect their offspring and some of those are phytic acid found in grains and legumes, lectins that can irritate the gut lining and lead to inflammation, oxalates which can bind to calcium and also cause gut issues and tannins that cause gut issues. And then there's meat that is tolerated easily by just about every person and the only people that have major health issues with it are caused by a tick bite that makes people allergic to meat proteins.

    Carnivore Doctors have concluded from the evidence that consuming plant material, carbohydrates, are not worth the resulting glycation and the increase in AGE's (Advanced Glycation End Products), ROS (Reactive Oxygen Species) that basically creates the inflammation and most of the non communicable diseases and with the carnivore diet that is not only brought to a complete stop most of the time from the symptoms but actual a reversal of most of these diseases. The anecdotal evidence is piling up and is now becoming data. Anyway, this is what the carnivore community feel is a big part of the health problem and solution and why they promote carnivore. I think there's a lot there to think about. :)
  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 8,880 Member
    edited January 14
    You lost me at “a person in my life” is advocating….

    I’ve had so many people enthusiastically tell me what they’re doing works and that mine doesn’t. Well, still maintaining after five years and they’re still…..overweight.

    Smile, nod your head, and you do you.

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