SOME OF YOU MAY, OR MAY NOT AGREE...

Summarain
Summarain Posts: 145
edited September 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
I believe I have truely found my way. I know we all sin or have sinned in the past; now I am seeing my eating habits in a different light and quite frankly its working. Now that I have established that overeating is a sin, it allows me to have much more success in getting healthy. Read below if you wish.

GLUTTONY:

Derived from the Latin gluttire, meaning to gulp down or swallow, gluttony is the over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or intoxicants to the point of waste. In some Christian denominations, it is considered one of the seven deadly sins—a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy.

Depending on the culture, it can be seen as either a vice or a sign of status. Gluttony is not a sin in some cultures. The relative affluence of the society can affect this view both ways. A wealthy group might take pride in the security of having enough food to eat to show it off, but it could also result in a moral backlash when confronted with the reality of those less fortunate.

Gluttony in Christianity
Early Church leaders (e.g., St. Gregory the Great, St. Thomas Aquinas) took a more expansive view of gluttony, arguing that it also consists in an anticipation of meals, the eating of delicacies, and costly foods, seeking after sauces and seasonings, and eating too eagerly.

St. Gregory the Great, a doctor of the Church, described five ways by which one can commit sin of gluttony, and corresponding biblical examples for each of them:

1. Eating before the time of meal in order to satisfy the palate.

Biblical example: Jonathan eating a little honey, when his father Saul commanded no food to be taken before the evening.
2. Seeking delicacies and better quality of food to gratify the "vile sense of taste."

Biblical example: When Israelites escaping from Egypt complained, "Who shall give us flesh to eat ? We remember the fish which we did eat in Egypt freely ; the cucumbers and the melons, and the leeks and the onions and the garlic," God rained fowls for them to eat but punished them 500 years later.
3. Seeking after sauces and seasonings for the enjoyment of the palate.

Biblical example: Two sons of Eli the high priest made the sacrificial meat to be cooked in one manner rather than another. They were met with death.
4. Exceeding the necessary amount of food.

Biblical example: One of the sins of Sodom was "fullness of bread."
5. Taking food with too much eagerness, even when eating the proper amount, and even if the food is not luxurious.

Biblical example: Esau selling his birthright for ordinary food of bread and pottage of lentils. His punishment was that the "profane person . . . who, for a morsel of meat sold his birthright," we learn that " he found no place for repentance, though he sought it carefully, with tears."
The fifth way is worse than all others, said St. Gregory, because it shows attachment to pleasure most clearly among others.
To recapitulate, St. Gregory the Great said that one may succumb to the sin of gluttony by:

Time (when)
Quality
Stimulants
Quantity
Eagerness
St. Thomas Aquinas reiterated the list of six ways to commit gluttony:

Praepropere - eating too soon.
Laute - eating too expensively (washedly).
Nimis - eating too much.
Ardenter - eating too eagerly (burningly).
Studiose - eating too daintily (keenly).
Forente - eating wildly (boringly).
St. Alphonsus Liguori wrote the following when explaining gluttony:

"Pope Innocent XI Odescalchi has condemned the proposition which asserts that it is not a sin to eat or to drink from the sole motive of satisfying the palate. However, it is not a fault to feel pleasure in eating: for it is, generally speaking, impossible to eat without experiencing the delight which food naturally produces. But it is a defect to eat, like beasts, through the sole motive of sensual gratification, and without any reasonable object. Hence, the most delicious meats may be eaten without sin, if the motive be good and worthy of a rational creature; and, in taking the coarsest food through attachment to pleasure, there may be a fault."


Gluttony in the Bible
Proverbs 23:20-21 "Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."
Proverbs 28:7 "Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father."
Proverbs 23:2 "And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite."

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  • Summarain
    Summarain Posts: 145
    I believe I have truely found my way. I know we all sin or have sinned in the past; now I am seeing my eating habits in a different light and quite frankly its working. Now that I have established that overeating is a sin, it allows me to have much more success in getting healthy. Read below if you wish.

    GLUTTONY:

    Derived from the Latin gluttire, meaning to gulp down or swallow, gluttony is the over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or intoxicants to the point of waste. In some Christian denominations, it is considered one of the seven deadly sins—a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy.

    Depending on the culture, it can be seen as either a vice or a sign of status. Gluttony is not a sin in some cultures. The relative affluence of the society can affect this view both ways. A wealthy group might take pride in the security of having enough food to eat to show it off, but it could also result in a moral backlash when confronted with the reality of those less fortunate.

    Gluttony in Christianity
    Early Church leaders (e.g., St. Gregory the Great, St. Thomas Aquinas) took a more expansive view of gluttony, arguing that it also consists in an anticipation of meals, the eating of delicacies, and costly foods, seeking after sauces and seasonings, and eating too eagerly.

    St. Gregory the Great, a doctor of the Church, described five ways by which one can commit sin of gluttony, and corresponding biblical examples for each of them:

    1. Eating before the time of meal in order to satisfy the palate.

    Biblical example: Jonathan eating a little honey, when his father Saul commanded no food to be taken before the evening.
    2. Seeking delicacies and better quality of food to gratify the "vile sense of taste."

    Biblical example: When Israelites escaping from Egypt complained, "Who shall give us flesh to eat ? We remember the fish which we did eat in Egypt freely ; the cucumbers and the melons, and the leeks and the onions and the garlic," God rained fowls for them to eat but punished them 500 years later.
    3. Seeking after sauces and seasonings for the enjoyment of the palate.

    Biblical example: Two sons of Eli the high priest made the sacrificial meat to be cooked in one manner rather than another. They were met with death.
    4. Exceeding the necessary amount of food.

    Biblical example: One of the sins of Sodom was "fullness of bread."
    5. Taking food with too much eagerness, even when eating the proper amount, and even if the food is not luxurious.

    Biblical example: Esau selling his birthright for ordinary food of bread and pottage of lentils. His punishment was that the "profane person . . . who, for a morsel of meat sold his birthright," we learn that " he found no place for repentance, though he sought it carefully, with tears."
    The fifth way is worse than all others, said St. Gregory, because it shows attachment to pleasure most clearly among others.
    To recapitulate, St. Gregory the Great said that one may succumb to the sin of gluttony by:

    Time (when)
    Quality
    Stimulants
    Quantity
    Eagerness
    St. Thomas Aquinas reiterated the list of six ways to commit gluttony:

    Praepropere - eating too soon.
    Laute - eating too expensively (washedly).
    Nimis - eating too much.
    Ardenter - eating too eagerly (burningly).
    Studiose - eating too daintily (keenly).
    Forente - eating wildly (boringly).
    St. Alphonsus Liguori wrote the following when explaining gluttony:

    "Pope Innocent XI Odescalchi has condemned the proposition which asserts that it is not a sin to eat or to drink from the sole motive of satisfying the palate. However, it is not a fault to feel pleasure in eating: for it is, generally speaking, impossible to eat without experiencing the delight which food naturally produces. But it is a defect to eat, like beasts, through the sole motive of sensual gratification, and without any reasonable object. Hence, the most delicious meats may be eaten without sin, if the motive be good and worthy of a rational creature; and, in taking the coarsest food through attachment to pleasure, there may be a fault."


    Gluttony in the Bible
    Proverbs 23:20-21 "Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."
    Proverbs 28:7 "Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father."
    Proverbs 23:2 "And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite."
  • singfree
    singfree Posts: 1,591 Member
    Very good post, thank you!
  • MyaPapaya75
    MyaPapaya75 Posts: 3,143 Member
    I do agree and have thought this many times myself considering the state of the world today and the economy...:flowerforyou:
  • Leigh14
    Leigh14 Posts: 871 Member
    I was raised as a Presbyterian at a church where my grandfather taught. I did not learn about the seven deadly sins until later in life, however.

    I know that a lot of mention of it in the Bible is from the Old Testament. We are no longer under the Old Testament law, but there are very valuable lessons we can pull from there. Why do you think there's such guilt and weight gain and general bad feelings after we over-eat? It *is* something we're not supposed to do by way of our conscience. It's a self-abuse; our body's are our temples and we're not supposed to abuse them. They've been given to us to use until we die; they're not truly ours.
  • You just made my day. Thank you very much! We have been having a few "problems" in church about how we have to be HOLY for the lord to get to heaven. We were told, not by the pastor, by a lady preaching that tattoos and piercings and music was the things we needed to work on. He husband on the other hand is over weight, has high blood pressure and has been in the hospital but still ive seen him salt his food like there is no tomorrow!

    Food is a problem for me and I think you for giving me some of the word to help with that.:flowerforyou:
  • Summarain
    Summarain Posts: 145
    You just made my day. Thank you very much! We have been having a few "problems" in church about how we have to be HOLY for the lord to get to heaven. We were told, not by the pastor, by a lady preaching that tattoos and piercings and music was the things we needed to work on. He husband on the other hand is over weight, has high blood pressure and has been in the hospital but still ive seen him salt his food like there is no tomorrow!

    Food is a problem for me and I think you for giving me some of the word to help with that.:flowerforyou:

    I am glad to be of help; this will tremendously help me.:wink:
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