Yikes, I might be recomping!

I never thought I'd post here, but: I think I'm recomping! surprised look

Been trying to lose just a bit more weight but also started barbell training. Now, important to note: My muscles are always rather visible, and especially those that I can't avoid using are crazy hypertrophic courtesy of a muscle condition that leads to stiffness (and pain) with repeated contraction. Basically, my muscles get lots more beating up just from walking or cleaning the kitchen worktop than they should. Already been like that as a kid.

Now I only started strength training 4 weeks ago. I'm also running a very tiny deficit to get rid of that bit of padding that annoys me. I've not lost any apparent weight in these 4 weeks and put it down to water weight due to strength training. Week 2 I suddenly started seeing the uppermost 1.5 rows of abs and my bum/side of thighs got that really cool, lifted look. I just realized today that my stomach has that 'this is a person that trains' look, the pelvis bones at the front are pointing out and I suddenly have a dip between pelvis and thighs. And I see more spots where padding is suddenly gone. I guess most is still water weight, but there's something happening.

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  • nossmf
    nossmf Posts: 13,584 Member

    Glad you're please with results so far. At this stage of your lifting career, you're still in the brain-muscle connection phase, with actual muscle-building coming later. Your adventures with weight and appearance are likely mostly water weight, as you identified. Still, pretty powerful motivation to keep going, ain't it?

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Yeah, I'm certainly having fun with this. Ok, there are lifts that I hate with a passion (bench, overhead), but others I love (row is my darling!). I'm getting a new barbel set on Wednesday because I can't get more weights for my current set due to an unusual bar diameter.

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member

    Congrats on the visible progress.

    I assume you're going from 1" to 2". This is why I recommend planning ahead, otherwise you can end up essentially re-purchasing weight.

    So if you're going to get an adjustable db set, make sure they go plenty heavy enough for a long time, and/or are expandable. And don't mix and match bar sizes or you'll need weight for both diameters. If you start with fixed db's then need a set higher later, then another set higher after that, and so on, that gets real expensive very fast.

    I started with Titan 2" loadable db's. All the 10's and 5's plates that I use on those, can also be used on my barbell and EZ-bar. I can load a single db up to 92.5lbs, or 102.5lbs if I include a pair of 25's instead.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member
    edited April 1

    I'm going from the not very useful 25mm diameter to 30/31mm. It's super easy to get new weights here for that. But yeah, I had the old set for ages, mostly in my basement due to lack of space. I probably sold the old set. Will find out whether the guy coming by tonight will take them along. I got about 100kg of weights with the new set, cast iron with grip, a barbell* and two dumbbells and locks. The weights with grip are easiest to use for me and need least storage space.

    *Hmm.. I need to get another bar though as I might not have enough space for the one that comes with the set. No problem; if I bought the weights separately it would have been more expensive than as a set. But would you recommend a bar with screw lock or a simple spring lock? I won't be lifting super heavy amounts, and a spring lock would be quicker to use. Lacking experience here. The old set had some kind of spring lock variation that worked well enough.

  • nossmf
    nossmf Posts: 13,584 Member

    Are you planning on doing any kind of sudden-movement exercises like Olympic lifts? Or stick with simple up/down movements that dominate most lifting regimens?

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member

    Huh, those are odd bar diameters. I've only heard of 1" and 2".

    I'm not sure what you mean by "iron with grip". Do you mean the edges have indents or the plates have holes to make picking them up easier?

    You may want to look into floor options in case you drop iron weights. Even in regular use you should be careful. At least get thick rubber mats, maybe horse stall mats.

    When you say "lock" I think you mean "collar". It also sounds like your bar handle is a screw type rather than smooth? If screw type, I don't know if you can use anything other than the caps you screw in. For regular collars, cheap plastic ones under $20 for a pair or even cheaper spring ones are probably fine for most barbell use. However for db's, those won't do well, or for long, with exercises where the db is vertical, or even just moving the db around in and out of position means it's not flat and those can be risky. The last set I bought were these Lock-Jaw PRO 2 and these are still excellent after nearly a year.

    https://a.co/d/6ZW2JX3

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    No sudden movements. It's too risky at home, plus if I can't hold the lift I might wreck my floor and my landlord might kill me.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Ah yes, you are right about collar and the disk shape. The disks have holes. My new kit comes with a 170cm long bar with screw on collars. But I don't have enough space at home most likely to use this bar and hence I'll probably buy another one. Here I'm able to chose one with screw on collar or clip. Basically I have options.

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member

    If you need a shorter bar, look into an EZ-bar maybe. It's shorter than regular barbells. It's good for arms, and it should be able to hold enough weight to do other things too, such as chest and back etc. Basically the inside hand holds of the bar will be angled for curls etc., and if the outer hand holds are flat you can use them for chest/back/shoulders.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    I am able to get strong straight 140cm bars. That's what I will get. I just can't decide between screw on collar or not.

  • Lietchi
    Lietchi Posts: 7,053 Member
    edited April 1

    You know what annoys me even more than screw collar dumbbells? Screw collar barbells! Honestly, I loathe changing weights because of it 😆 but that might be linked to the way I work out - I like to alternate exercises between each set so that means a lot of changing of weights.

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member
    edited April 1

    My mate has a 5ft 1" barbell with screw handles/collars, and he doesn't like it. For one thing, the bar makes more noise when moving as things never get quite flush. And as you said, the extra time too.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Yes, totally! I think I'll get a clip-on bar and collars. That's just so much easier.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Oh, good argument! I live in a flat and while I'm at the top and won't get annoyed by anyone on top (other than pigeons on the roof) I don't want to annoy the people below me too much. It'll be clips!

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 36,012 Member

    Clips: Good plan. I like my clips. The only limitation I know is the one already mentioned about them being less strong an attachment, so if the bar isn't horizontal and there's a fair amount of weight, it can slip.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Yeah, that's my kind of worry. Though on the old bar I had kind of clips that were less stable than normal clips, kind of like these: https://www.amazon.de/Hantelverschl%C3%BCsse-Schnellverschluss-Schnellwechsel-Hantelscheiben-Fitnessstudio/dp/B0DG5SVCC5 and they were seriously wonky compared to those simple metal clips.

    Anyway, the old set is sold for a good price (and running down and up stairs three times) and the new one arrives today.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Exercise for today: Dragging over 100kg of stuff 63 steps up to my flat.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,238 Member
    edited April 2

    strongly recommend Versagrips lifting gloves. They don’t look like much and you’d think “pah, nonsense” but they are worth every nickle. I got a pair for my trainer for Christmas and she said she just ordered a pair for her husband because she was fed up with him sneaking hers.

    The improved grip is crazy, and has helped me with more/ heavier reps.

    Also, in case anyone else is reading this, my experience with adjustable dumbbells was not satisfying. I got the Bowflex during the pandemic. They are so large and flat, like dinner plates, that if you kept your elbows in, you’d finish a session with bruises on your hips and shoulders. The edges were also, not “blade” sharp, but not rounded, either, so if using them for bench press or fly, I’d clip or pinch myself.

    They were so darn awkward to use.

    Strongly suggest trying some IRL before committing to adjustables. I seldom, if ever work out at home, but were there to be another “situation” (heaven help us) where I had to, after my experience with adjustables, I’d happily pony up for four or five pair of normal dumbbells in my preferred range.

    Thankfully, they’ve gone up so much,‘I was able to sell them for what I paid for them. Never so happy to see the backside of a piece of workout gear.

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member

    @springlering62

    Yeah, it helps to do a lot of research for sure. There's significant variety in adjustable db's. As you said, they're not all round weight discs. One of the popular ones is square! No thanks. Some are more resilient than others wrt dropping. Some are going to last longer, due to their mechanical design and parts used. Some are expandable, some aren't. Etc.

    Going with fixed db's has its drawbacks too. For instance, I use eight different db weights for various exercises. If I bought db's for those, that would be eight pairs, which means maybe needing a strong rack to store them all. And if I needed to progress from X pounds to X+5 pounds, the X+5 set basically means paying for all of X, again. That gets very expensive very quickly especially as the weight goes up.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    I have one barbell, and two dumbbell sticks. And I can put my weight disks (round) on either. Perfect. Not that I ever use the dumbbell sticks to be honest.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member
    edited April 3

    Can you tell me a bit more about these gloves, or post a photo? I just found out that the new bar and weights are brilliant, but my fingers seem to be a bit too short for deadlifts/romanians. While I could previously hold the old bar nicely at the roots of my fingers those 5mm extra seem to be a bit too much for me. Woops! I did not expect that. Basically, anything thick there would mean I'll end up with even 'shorter' fingers.

    Did a mild deloading today to see how the new bar works. I just increased weights with the old bar anyway. Good moment.

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member

    I have heard great things about those grips elsewhere. I just use cheap straps, but it sounds like those wouldn't help you. The Versa's should help a lot.

    In the meantime, your forearms should bulk up!

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,238 Member
    edited April 3

    their website explains it far better than I can.

    I just got the regular gloves, ladies small. In retrospect, I probably should have gotten a medium because I have long fingers.

    Basically, you have a long “shoe tongue” resting in the palm of your hand, attached to the band around your wrist, that you can wrap around the bar or the weight. It sounds ridiculously simple, but it provides both extra grip, as well as enough structure to force your wrists not to bend.

    They are very comfortable, and you can easily rotate them around like a bracelet if you’re doing a quick transition from handling weights to doing, say, pushups or planks.

    I particularly like them for pull ups. I can wrap them around the handle, and can then put all five fingers on the handle in the same direction, with better grip, , rather than wrapping my thumb around and clutching. Makes pull-up so much more comfortable.

    I think they are $75 a pair, but one of those products that’s worth every penny. They’ll last forever.

    The only very very minor complaint, not worth fudging with, is they do make my wrists hot.

  • nossmf
    nossmf Posts: 13,584 Member

    I hope the adjustable DB's of today are more robust than the first-generation ones I bought, and promptly had to discard after two weeks when they broke.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    What's all this talk about adjustable dumbbells? I bought a barbell and a whole pile of weights. Yeah, there are two dumbbell sticks included onto which I could put the same weights, but I never used those previously either.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Wow, had an excellent session today! Last one was a deloading session to see how my new bar is working. This time I managed to increase weights pretty much everywhere. Still super low overall but bentover rows are my favourite. According to strengthlevel.com I'm nearly in the intermediate category for age and weight while all other exercises lag a lot behind.

    Meh: The longer bar really isn't made for me and I need to get a shorter one. It's just so much more wobbly overall. Like while I was fighting with the lifting straps I somehow managed to not put my hands on equal distances from the weights, and I just noticed it so badly. A shorter bar is a lot more forgiving.

    Yay: I suddenly, and finally feel that I have pecs. They do exist after all 😂

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member
    edited April 5

    I guess you won't be getting a tsunami bar then. This bar is more floppy, also 4" longer than a standard Olympic bar, at 90".

    Bugenhagen here. Look at the wobble on this.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WvilFiTc3F0

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    Yikes! No! My current (new) bar is a bit too long for the space I have, thus I need something shorter anyway. But just holding this bar not with hands at equal distances to the weights means it tilts a lot faster to the sides than a shorter one. Not bend down like in this video, but tilt to the side and make me lose my balance.

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,029 Member

    TBH, that sounds like the kind of thing that will help you. Free weights builds neuron connections (skill) and stabilizing muscles in ways that machines do not. As Mitchell Hooper said in a recent vid, that's why when people try barbell bench for the first time, they're wobbling all over the place because the brain hasn't made the neural connections for how to do that movement. With repetition, it gets easier as you build the skill (and strength).

    If that means you need to lower the weight while learning the skill, that's ok.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,380 Member

    You're probably right there. Good one!