Back at it, woman. Talking to myself here.

Way back - I gained a lot of weight in my forties. More than just some middle age desk job type weight. I ate all the candy at the office, every donut I could, half gallons of ice cream in a sitting. Entire packages of cookies before bed. Four trips back to the all-you-can-eat buffets, beer, wings, chips, pizza…you get the picture. I was 220 pounds, at 5'7" (or 5'8", depending on who measured. Regardless. Out of control by any standard.)
I knew it was about calories. I looked for a free online calculator. This was in 2007 and myfitnesspal had been started by the Lees in 2005.
I've told my story before, but the main points were/are. . .set it at, "Lose 2 pounds per week." Set it at, "Sedentary," get a calorie Goal of 1200 and dive right into that!!
Yeah, not so much.
I couldn't stick to it. Of course, as most overweight people do - my food choices were less than ideal. I tried to keep up a high level of sugary, fatty, and baked things and stay within calories. Ha hahahahahaha. Ha.
So, lots of food(s) really had to go if I was to make this work, and I was losing weight so - yay.
For (sort of) brevity I'll say, at 180 pounds (so 40 pounds lost) I couldn't make it work anymore. I did some serious soul and internet searching and raised my calories by 400, to 1600 PLUS Exercise calories. Oh, wow. Being able to eat 1800-2000 calories and still lose weight was a life-changing revelation. I stayed at that level all the way to 140 pounds. Cracked the Code.
I've been maintaining that weight within a five pound range until about two months ago, so since 2008. I sustained a serious injury in December that completely sidelined any and all exercise. Yeah, I could have done some kind of targeted exercise on the non-injured part of my body - but I didn't. It was one of the most stressful things that has ever happened to me and I was full of fear for my future.
Enter cookies and mixed salted nuts. Peanut butter and crackers. So easy when it's hard to cook.
They're like therapy.
Cheaper.
…and I ate my way through (estimating here) two packages per week of various cookies for the last 16 weeks, along with a jar of peanut butter, a 16 oz bag of nuts, and at least one box of crackers. I also didn't log food since I couldn't get to the computer and anyway I had decided that some things were not that important in this stressful time. I was going to eat what I wanted. Ah, the emotional support crunchy food.
When I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago for a follow-up, I had gained eight pounds above my, "take action," weight in a couple months. Uh. Oops. But therapy cookies though.
I just finished my last cookie and I've been logging for two weeks again. Someday soon I hope to be within my calorie goal instead of 1,000 over every day. I'm hoping by June I'll be able to lose that eight pounds. Seems daunting right now, but I know what to do.
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Funny how things can derail us, and a slip turns into innertubing down the mountainside! So good to hear the decision to get back at it!
Curiosity question - these crunchy therapy foods - are these old favs revisited? Or, newer healthier food choices that may have slipped into trigger food status?
I can see how pb by the spoonful could become something I can't moderate… but had not really eaten since childhood. Added it as a healthy food choice, and, well, I can see how it could be irrestible for me - trying to pay attention to that… I might have to leave off until I feel indifferent.
Anyway, thanks for posting - hope healing continues to progress and you get back on a roll again!
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@yakkystuff I think you could use a whole bunch of different ideas and definitions of, "Crunchy therapy food."
I used various foods as a kid to distract myself from scary and uncomfortable emotions and for sure peanut butter was a go-to favorite.
Things don't really change that much, I mean we're all eight years old sometimes and we could all use a cookie (or a sleeve of,) from time to time.
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Lol, crunchy therapy foods was a new idea to me from your description, but I understood what you meant, i think. Was just wondering if you had returned to old favs or newer/healthier foods had become problematic?
My thinking on that is that it is not so much any particular food, but rather too much of anything, eaten beyond what the body needs for other emotional type reasons.
I probably have moved away from candy and cakes, but can see how I could transfer to pb or nuts and overeat those, even though those mighgt be considered healthier choices.
No matter though, it was a passing curiosity... the important thing is you are getting back at it, and I think that is awrsome. Yeah!
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I'm right there with you! I had a flare up of Sciatica in the fall and I couldn't do ANYTHING. My weight spiked way up, as high as it has been in 12 years. (And I'm sure all my health indicators went to crap, too.) I really didn't know if I would ever again be able to jog. I did walk the dog almost every day, sometimes achieving two painful miles, but often less.
I've been in recovery mode since Jan 1, doing a lot of work on the spin bike, some jogging, and some weights. I keep kicking myself to get back to the pool, but my favorite pool has been closed for an extended period and they keep promising to reopen "soon." I just haven't established a habit elsewhere as it takes a little extra effort. (Best hours are in the early AM, which is not my forte.)
So: Let's keep at it! Best healing wishes for your recovery!
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Riverside, you're a mainstay here, and a good'un. Eight pounds is just a blip, as long as it stops around there, as long as those pounds don't bring a bunch of friends. (I've been there, maybe plus a few pounds.)
I know I'm not saying anything you don't know.
You've got this. You're going to go and make yourself an excellent example once again.
Also: Ditto LOL at "crunchy therapy food" 😆🤣. Yep!
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Thanks, you guys. Somewhere I read that crunchy food is comforting because it makes noise in the head and makes us feel less alone. Dunno. Maybe that should be in Ann's ridiculous stuff thread, but I was super scared and lonely during this injury and recovery. I had to stay off my feet for nearly seven weeks. I'm in a third floor walk-up and couldn't navigate the steps that well on crutches. I found out I don't have as many actual friends who are willing to help…the crunchy food helped, but now I'm having to go back to - ya know - veg and chicken.
The stress and extra weight messed with my thyroid and meds, too. Now I'm all weirdly medicated. Not too happy about that since it's a delicate balance anyway.
Jthan, today I actually walked about a mile! It took me two hours, but that's okay. Lots of stops and sit-downs. I've been climbing the steps on my stack at the condos 10-20 times a day, 25 steps each time down then up. The steps are a lot easier for me than walking. We'll get there. Spring helps. 🤗
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I’m sorry to hear about the problem, but happy to hear you’re taking charge again. Eight pounds is a hella lot better than eighty, so don’t be too harsh on yourself.
Yikes. I worry about the friends thing. Mr S has done quite a bit for a friend who rolled his truck last year, but I often wonder, with kids thousands of miles in opposite directions, who would be here to help us in a similar situation?
I’m curious myself. I’ve had a couple of friends who either had accidents or were quite ill, but refused help I know they could have used. How do you impose your helpfulness without being a boor? What would have helped you?
Was (or is) there something someone could have just done without being asked, or without offending, that would have helped?Glad you’re on the mend.
My “crunchy krypton” is Cadbury’s Crispy Eggs. Something about trying to carefully eat the crispy shells off without disturbing the chocolate innards. Every Easter since counting calories, I’ve promise myself an unfettered afternoon with a whole bag, but I know that’d be a wild ride back to a very dark place.
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Hang in there. Sounds like you are figuring it out again. Hope that you are healing well from your injury also. Totally derailed. I know everyone is saying 8 pounds is not much but it's 8 pounds above your SCREAM weight so it is scary. 😬
And it's good to see you here. Along with the others. Part of maintaining to me is keeping your head in the game. And here you are! Well done. You cracked the code before and I am sure you still have the combination. 😁
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Muffin top, ya'll.
Thanks springlering and SummerSkier. Yeah, keeping my head in the game is the only way, and scream weight, yep. I'm technically up 13 pounds from where I'm comfy. I'm one who has logged food for most of the last 18 years and this whole thing has completely flipped my life.
Also, I was only 200 calories over yesterday, so that's a huge check in the Win column. And I walked pretty far and did the 250 stair steps.
Tortoise. Not hare.
Tl;dr the following is mostly navel gazing.
Did I mention my car broke down two weeks after the injury, and my eyeglasses broke? I couldn't even see my computer screen nor go get new glasses. I'd LOL but it wasn't funny. The lack of exercise was tough, I couldn't regulate my emotions very well in the first couple weeks without my daily 90 minute outdoor walk.
@springlering62 the friend thing…I was house-bound with the pain. I have/well HAD one friend who lives close by who I asked specifically to just check in. Not one time did she…She did say she'd drive me to surgery and she did bring groceries (which I didn't ask for) one time but she never called or visited again and what I really needed was people to talk to or to visit. When I would contact her she was always in some big drama herself. It was odd.
My biggest help was neighbors. I live in a condo so there are people close by. I was able to take care of my surroundings and my physical body, but I needed help with carrying things up and down the steps (pain and crutches) and to their credit I had four neighbors who were really helpful and who all said, "Let me know if you need anything." I only needed actual help with getting groceries up the stairs (I could have Instacarted them but it didn't come to that,) and taking out the garbage and one of them took me to the shop to pick up my car BUT I could have used some company. A phone call, "How ya doin'?" Only one person did that, and God bless her, she really saved me from my own mind and the catastrophizing spiral. She let me talk, she told me about her day, she shared lunch with me, she brought little food gifts, she took me with her to the grocery store one time and just acted like a friend.
I mean, I'd guess that people don't want to become entwined in other peoples' problems and I get it that they're busy with their own stuff. I also get it that it is unnerving to be with someone who's needy - I mean it could happen to any of us. It's just I was fearful and lonely and feeling abandoned. That's kinda big. Waah. See, I even feel whiny answering you, so I get it from the other side, too. I don't know, I guess all any of us can do is try to be of service when/if they ask.
I'm grateful I had a roof over my head, hot water, money, a smart phone, a TV, enough food, and medical insurance. It's pretty great living in a First World country in 2025 so I do understand how lucky I am. I can see the light again. I made it through the worst and hopefully will have a full recovery. That part is uncertain.
Alright, enough about me. Glad I started this thread so I can let it out.
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also, @springlering62 "crispy eggs?"
What are those? Is it this?
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oh yes, those evil little things. Even when they got bought out by Hershey’s and changed to a less quality chocolate, they were magnetic. Something about those shells. 😱 i can't stand the big ones with the liquid sugar “yolks”
I think maybe it works both ways? I would love to be asked to help and would probably become the most irritatingly hovering person on the planet once asked. But I’m the person everyone forgets about. I ask if people need help, but all I get is “no thanks, I’m OK”. Maybe I’m already irritating lol.It’s hard to ask for help. When I was on a walker for a couple weeks and needed someone to drive me to a pair of appointments while my husband was at work, my own brother, threw an unholy conniption fit when I asked for his help. I was embarrassed to ask neighbors of twenty something years. I felt like I didn’t know them well enough to ask for help.
Asking for help seems like such a weakness, but I’d feel honored and privileged to be thought of as “that” friend.
I’m sorry your friend fell through the cracks like that. Some people just aren’t able to handle the weakness or temporary needs of someone else. I’ll be kind and chalk it up to sympathy. Maybe they see themselves in your shoes, but, if so, why the heck not pitch in. SMH. I guess that’s why we’re not all nurses, huh?
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Yeah, everything you just said.
In my case, I would have felt like I couldn't ask, too…but I had to…I've lived here over 30 years, but people these days do tend to keep to themselves. I've learned the hard way not to get too close to condo neighbors. I was so lucky - EVERY time I came home with bags of groceries one of my four "helper" neighbors just happened to be in the parking lot or they saw me and came down to help. It was more than a coincidence, I felt like it was orchestrated! I never had to actually call someone up to ask for help other than going to get my car. This would be an endorsement for communal living.
When you share a parking lot and mailboxes, ya can't really hide crutches, ya know? People know.
I had a walker, but it was only useful to me around the house, I had a basket on it to carry stuff around. The crutches were much better/easier and faster. I've never been so glad to live in a tiny shoebox!
I'd say better to be the hovering friend than the abandoning one.
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Can I butt in a little on the "what to offer injured/ill friends" aspect? I was recently laid fairly low for a few weeks after a skull fracture/brain bleed. I'm also widowed/orphaned/childless/only child, so reliant on friends/neighbors when stuff like that happens.
I agree that visits and check-ins are a major useful thing, even just text messages or social media posts if - like me - the person texts or uses social media. I had a text-chat set up with 3 friends that I'd message every day (because my neurologist said I needed a daily check-in 🤷♀️). I asked them if it was OK to contact them for this. When I said a little bit there about how I was doing, I got nice psychological support replies, but also . . .
Those people, and a few others, would also touch base with things like "I'm going to Kroger, can I pick up anything for you?" or "Can I pick up takeout to bring over on my way home from work?" and that sort of thing. If you're on the "offering help" side, specific suggestions are great, and even if the specifics aren't needed, it makes it a little easier IMO for the recovering person to suggest some other thing of similar magnitude that they DO need.
I totally would've asked for help from the generic "let me know how I can help" people if/as needed, too, and have in the past - I'm getting better at that with time, practice . . . and aging. 😆 But the specific offers just make it easier.
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You're not butting in, Ann. I like your perspective.
I'm not shy about asking for help if I truly need it - what choice do I have, right? I did find out that some people aren't able or willing, but most people are and that's a good thing to learn. So many times I was out running errands on crutches and so many complete strangers offered to help me. It was pretty great.
I have 2 calories left. It's 4:30 and I still have an uneaten protein smoothie to devour later. I'm gonna make it to bed under calories for the first time in four months.
Like my logging is that good…but that's what the FOOD page says and I'm taking it!
Go me.🙃
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…and I didn't make it. Ended the day 681 over.
ugh. Hungry. Not feelin' it yet. I'm getting closer, but it's a slog and I have too much down time on my hands. Maybe I need a job.
I'm just posting this to keep myself accountable. Have a good day everyone.
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well to me, I am always going to binge. I know there are supposedly clinic and books and etc which can help but to me knowing that I was going to go over sometimes and not beating myself up about it the next day is actually what helped me the most. The biggest change for me tho was actually tracking it. I used to just go wild and not even try. Now I just sticky note it or leave "wrapper" so I can log it when my brain returns. Better of course to track it same day like you did but my sanity varies. So, yeah I would say you are getting there. You are taking steps. You are aware. And Happy Friday!
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Thanks, SummerSkier. I try to close my FOOD page and my computer at the same time every day otherwise I'll stay online till bedtime.
I do better when I don't have to take the walk of regret next morning holding my little note of what I ate after I supposedly finished logging. I write it down on a piece of paper and then enter it next morning.
Not a great way to start my day and I don't like doing that, so that's another layer of motivation. I like to start the day with a much more positive feeling. Clean sink, clean desk, no, "Notes of 683 calories of extra food."
It's just better. I'm not really beating myself up, I've been around this long enough to know I'm going to over-eat too…I just don't know how much I really care right now. THAT's a problem. 😐️
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@cmriverside : Don't beat yourself up. If you can do even 1 little thing to improve yourself each day, that is better than none.
- State of mind. Your mental health can be addressed through therapeutic sessions with a professional. But, it is also well documented that community (contact with friends and family) is essential for good mental health. It's much harder to maintain contacts when injured, adding to the depressive effects of injury in general. But, in this day of Zoom, you can get both therapeutic sessions and talk sessions with friends right in your house. Almost every church is not on zoom, for example, among many other groups.
- Activity. Laid up, it's hard to do anything. But, anything is better than nothing. Do whatever you can. Chair workouts with bands, for example. Crutching around the house counts, too.
- Eating. It sounds like you well know how certain foods are soothing in the immediate term. Sweets and carbs, primarily Alcohol can also become a crutch. (I had 1-2 beers every night while my sciatica was bad.) Any healthy choice is better than none. Caulk up a win every time you pass up on the brownies.
Best healing wishes!
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I wrangled myself into negative 49 calories yesterday.
Now to keep myself calm. LOL.
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Yeah! Stopping the extra eating is tough sometimes. Glad to see you back at it (after such a rough period - that would knock most anyone down... and you are reaching foward, that is really great!)
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your NSV is “I didn’t quit. I keep striving.”
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My actual NSV is that I can walk without assistance for a mile. I wasn't sure that would happen. It hurts and I have to stop a lot, but I can do it.
Now if I can get back up to my four mile daily walk I'll have far less trouble with food.
There's no quitting in weight management, although running away might help burn calories…so there's that.
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Monday Monday. This is my note to myself. I'm not looking for advice.
The past three weeks since I've been logging:
Week 1 = average daily over = 973
Week 2 = 632
Week 3 = 515
I always forget that I can't just go right back to a strict daily deficit after a period of over-eating. Lots of things had to change like my discipline and my toddler brain and what's in my kitchen. I'm getting there. If I can hold at 300-400 daily "over" that's where I maintain. I have my calories set to about four hundred under my (past) TDEE for wiggle room.
The exercise is still problematic, as in not nearly enough. I'm doing the stairs and some light PT. I'm not enjoying the PT, but I know I need to do it.
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@cmriverside actually sounds like progress. Self talk can be good. right?
I forget what injury happened to you but sounds like a doozy. I had a spiral femur fracture in 1997 and it took me forever to get back to "normal" walking. I did not have cast but was completely non weight bearing for 10 weeks so used a walked and eventually crutches. It was a nightmare. I did have an SO at the time who quickly got tired of steppin and fetchin for cranky ole me. sigh. But when I look back at that period it seemed a LOT LONGER while I was rehabbing than now. Hopefully you will be back to your normal exercise in a few more weeks/months.
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yeah, thanks SummerSkier.
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Mine was a femur fracture, too. Pretty painful, right?
241 over last night.
Here's a question for you experts…do you feel like lowered-calorie actual hunger is cumulative? For a few days it gets worse, but then better? I feel like I remember it being really hard for a couple weeks and then the hunger eases back. Is that a thing? It's been over 15 years since I ate in a deficit. I'm not enjoying it, and/or waaaaaah.
*edit to say, and I'm not even really at a deficit yet!! The gnawing feeling is real though, ya'll…
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I think there's often a couple of weeks or so adaptation period when reducing calories, during which appetite is more of a problem - at least that's been my experience.
I also still have random phases where I'm just more peckish than normal when eating in my normal way, for no obvious reason, though, too. It's not frequent, and doesn't usually last more than a few days.
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hm.
I wonder what causes those random hunger phases? Probably some little microbes not getting their fair share and raising some kind of intestinal ruckus.
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I know this sounds like dumb stuff but I honestly think our stomach and intestines DO shrink up a little as we eat in a difficit. I know if I binge badly it's like my system is EMPTY the next day and wants to expand again.
Yeah the femur thing was bad. I had a spiral fracture and rod and pins. I was lucky a good ortho was on duty the night I hit the ER. Whats funny is that altho my legs are the same length my right leg with the rod no longer toes out like my left one.
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Habits, minor variations in eating or activity (type, timing) that affect satiety, appetite hormones (which can be affected by things like sleep, hydration, stress, etc., IMU)? Yeah, microbiotic activity could be in the mix.
Honestly, while I've noticed it, I haven't much thought about the "why" side, because as long as it's manageable, the "why" doesn't really matter to me. That's one of the reasons I like counting: I don't need to figure out every last triggering condition, if there are any.
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