Maintain or main 'taint?

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  • SummerSkier
    SummerSkier Posts: 6,103 Member

    @belindascott3010 the biggest thing I have learned since yo yo ing all my life is that maintenance is not somewhere you GET TO after losing and then turn it all loose. All it is gaining and losing the same 5 pounds or whatever your range is over longer time frames. And like @Jthanmyfitnesspal says you get to add some more calories. There are a lot of great posts stickied on this category and reading them helped me a lot. My choice to start maintenance was to add just 50-100 for a week or so and monitor and then keep slowly adding. Some folks jump right into a higher # but they are braver than me because the scale does bump up. You got this! Just stay aware and enjoy.

    Glad you got your vaxes Jthanmyftp! Smart. I still need to get my flu as I was not feeling well enough to get it at work last week but I am going to wait until my body seems normal and then get it. I don't usually have a reaction but even tho everyone says just get it, I chose to get it in another week or so.

  • Jthanmyfitnesspal
    Jthanmyfitnesspal Posts: 3,827 Member

    @belindascott3010 : The struggle is real!

    I started this thread in June 2023, having gotten to 170lbs. A year and a half later, I was 195. This January, I started losing it again and got below 175 by June. It was one of my hardest weight loss periods ever. I think it's because I am increasingly hypothyroid and, although treated with levothyroxine, my body will shut down whenever I'm sitting still (cold hands and feet)— even more so when I'm cutting calories! So, I'm sort of chasing my tail when I cut back.

    So, I feel exactly as you and I don't want to gain it back! My goal is to still be (on average) below 175 on January 1. This means not falling into bad habits, even while the weather gets cold and there seems a natural tendency to want to eat more.

    Good news: my weight spike from the weekend has been going away and I'm just below 175 today!

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 15,838 Member

    So true though: -→"my body will shut down whenever I'm sitting still (cold hands and feet)— even more so when I'm cutting calories!"

    In my case I have no test results that implicate thyroid. But it has always been true for me re circulation to the "edges", even as a teen.

    While there exists recently discovered health information that might partially explain some of this now, it is unknown how far back this may have been true.

  • Jthanmyfitnesspal
    Jthanmyfitnesspal Posts: 3,827 Member

    @PAV8888 : I'm glad it's not just me! Actually, I've never been one of those people who constantly says it's too hot indoors. I hate it when people blast the AC such that it's, for example, below 70F. What's with that? I ran the AC at 75F when sleeping this summer. I do get hot, but only when it's actually hot! And, within reason, I kind of like it!

  • rms62003
    rms62003 Posts: 272 Member

    I'm ALWAYS cold, and I just had my thyroid checked - it's normal. People actually recognize my sweaters at work and will bring it to me if I forget one somewhere!😛

    I'm fine with my house at 80 during the summer. Although, I do like it cold in the bedroom, I like snuggling under the blankets. So does my dog!

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 15,838 Member

    @Jthanmyfitnesspal and, sorry if not clear re the above post, for sure during deficits that are too large (or too long for current state, yada yada) the whole "cold at the extremities" thing hits me like a brick.

    Way before MFP and the current 10+ year streak of success, when method was "just do the most I can while eating the least I can to lose lose lose", at the tail end of a three or four month weight loss streak it got to the point where pinching the skin at the top of my hand would result in the skin remaining up! GP even written diagnosed "reynaud's"… the variety of reynaud's, it turns out, that "resolves" when the deficit disappears and regain takes place!

  • jamisst310
    jamisst310 Posts: 3 Member

    Hey great job maintaining, I've read the body adapts after 6 months of maintaining to a new set point? Is this true, does it get easier to maintain after 6+ or is it the same struggle?

  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,861 Member

    For me, maintaining hasn't been that difficult because I have continued to be quite active so have a pretty large calorie budget. I don't feel deprived. From what I have read about people who have maintained a large loss for a long period of time, most continue to do daily exercise and many continue to log what they eat. Weighing yourself regularly is also key to keeping the weight off. In the past, I would stop weighing myself when I KNEW i had been eating more than I should. As long as I didn't see the number on the scale, it wasn't real. That's how weight creep happens.

  • Jthanmyfitnesspal
    Jthanmyfitnesspal Posts: 3,827 Member

    @jamisst310 : In general, I would say I find maintaining just as hard as losing. It gets easier for me when I exercise regularly and omit beer and cookies (I still eat chunks of dark chocolate every night after dinner). I now have a “smart scale,” so I can stand on it and my weight is recorded automatically. That’s very helpful, actually.

    Beer and cookie season is coming, which will be a challenge. Also, I have to be careful about over-relying on exercise to give extra calories. I had a back injury last fall, and I put on a significant amount of weight over 3 months.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 38,387 Community Helper

    I'm replying to underscore my belief that it'll differ individually somewhat.

    I'm in year 9+ of maintaining post loss. Weight has been up and down a few pounds over those years, but all in the healthy range and same jeans size. Before loss, I was oversight/obese for around 30 years.

    @spiriteagle99's comment about watching the scale routinely and correcting course before things get out of hand - IMO, that's important.

    I did find maintaining subjectively easier after some time passed, but it was probably closer to a couple of years than 6 months. That effect kind of phased in gradually, not instantly at some point like flipping a switch.

    I'm skeptical that the mechanism is "set point", partly because I think that term is so vaguely defined in physiological terms that's it's fairly meaningless.

    I also found that I got more relaxed with more time in maintenance, as I gained confidence in my ability to manage. I viscerally internalized the idea that I couldn't "ruin everthing" or "gain it all back" from a day or few of eating too much cake or similar. What mattered most was following good routine habits most of the time.

    I think an important factor is finding tolerable/practical/happy habits, and practicing then long enough that they're easier to continue than deviate from. They're autopilot after a while, basically. (I don't know about you, but I can't do some extreme, unpleasant, unnatural-feeling thing long enough for that to become autopilot. Finding the right, personalized habits has been important for me.)

    Some things that have helped me:

    • Not trying to lose weight crazy fast
    • Deciding I wasn't going to do anything to lose weight that I wasn't willing to continue forever to stay at a good weight, except for a sensibly moderate calorie deficit until I reached that good weight
    • Focusing on habits during loss, rather than daily micromanaging
    • Being active - even before loss, in my case - so I had relatively high calorie needs for my demographic
    • Having long eaten and liked lots of filling, healthy foods (Gain was mainly from eating to much of those, and too frequent high-calorie treats)
    • Not having been a person for whom routine constant "food noise" in my head was a major issue

    I'm not saying people can't succeed any other way. They can. We each have different preferences, strengths, challenges and lifestyles. Thinking about those things and personalizing tactics is key, IMO.

    Bottom line, I think it can get easier, but that's more likely to happen if we think about how to make it personally easier. It still takes consciousness and attention, though . . . just not necessarily obsession or constant white-knuckled "discipline" or "motivation".

  • jamisst310
    jamisst310 Posts: 3 Member

    @spiriteagle99 @Jthanmyfitnesspal @AnnPT77, Thanks for the insight, it really helps to see what's worked for others. I wanted to share where I’m at with maintaining my weight. I’ve hit my goal weight before but haven't maintained it for longer than six months in years. I'm keen to learn from people who have maintained their weight or faced similar struggles. I’ve had a habit of yo-yo dieting. I’d slowly drift upwards, give up on habits, and end up 10kg from my goal weight. Last year was the worst, I was up 25kg. It's taken me a whole year to shed that weight. I had completely given up for a solid two and half years.

    I've finally realized this year, that I should be mapping out my struggles and have a plan to maintain. One that includes reverse dieting, quick healthy meals and keeping non-negotiables like weekly weight tracking, as you guys mentioned. I’m also open to considering new medications on the market. I’m preparing for the laziest and stressed out version of myself.

    In the past, my approach was always to “reach the goal weight” and keep dieting until I burned out. @AnnPT77 , I also suspected the set point theory is just hard coded habits and isn't particularly  meaningful in terms of physiology. It's more about understanding where the weight struggle comes from and how someone can manage it successfully over time without being orthorexic or body dysmorphic. Which I have experienced in the past and has led to burnout and giving up. 

    So over time I hope to relax food tracking to once a week or less, once I've maintained for 1 year give or take water weight. I’m a two meal a day kind of guy, small lunch, massive dinner. That's been working best for me, though I also use OMAD strategically and I completely gave up on "cheat" meals or "cheat" days, those ideas were creating bad issues for me. Anyway that's my main'tainting story. 

  • Jthanmyfitnesspal
    Jthanmyfitnesspal Posts: 3,827 Member

    @jamisst310 Well, I think congratulations are due for achieving your goal weight. If I understand correctly, you just dropped 25kg. That is a big achievement and I'm sure you don't want to go back!

    To summarize this thread, I created it in June 2023 when I had achieved my goal weight of 170lbs. I then gained all that weight back and more. I cut again in the past year back to about 174lbs in about June and decided that's good enough. Since then, I've been working on maintenance and have done pretty well, although after a huge fancy dinner featuring beer I'm actually over my goal weight (175) today!

    My suggestion is that, once you reach your goal weight, set your plan for maintenance and keep logging for as long as you can stand it! Given the season, there will be parties with lots of food and alcohol. What I do for those days is to anticipate them by eating less the day of and compensate for them by eating less the day after. I am getting pretty used to hungry Sundays and Mondays! I typically skip breakfast most days anyway, eating my first meal at lunch. If I then eat a smaller lunch, a snack in the afternoon, and a small-ish dinner without after-dinner snacks, I'm well below maintenance for the day and I don't need to track.

    As for why we keep gaining it back: It is a survival trait to overeat when possible. There's no reason to blame yourself for doing exactly the thing that helped your ancestors survive, allowing you to be here on this earth today!