I'm SEVERELY confused.

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  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    So should I not be concerned that I'm not actually LOSING weight? Isn't that the goal? ?The BMI chart says I'm over weight. personally that doesn't make me comfortable.

    You should not make judgements based on such short trial periods.

    Resume your MFP plans for two weeks. Hit your calorie goals daily and don't cheat yourself by eating things and not recording them. Don't estimate food quantities.

    Do this for 2 weeks and then check results, and make sure you weigh yourself consistently in terms of procedure (for example, after you wake up and use the restroom).
  • MelissaGraham7
    MelissaGraham7 Posts: 406 Member
    The main thing is to stay in your calorie range, get LOTS of activity, drink plenty of water and stay fit. Sometimes the scale goes down, sometimes it doesn't. But if you stay the course for the long term, weight will come off. Just don't obsess about it at any given moment. If your clothes are getting loser, you are losing inches, etc. and you will be feeling better and you will keep the weight off over the long term. Don't obsess about the scale.
  • MaximumAngelus
    MaximumAngelus Posts: 10 Member
    Most of the days I got to Karate for ~3 hours. From 4 to 7. But i only REALLY work out for ~2 out of the 3 hours of that. and I was following it for about a week before the "Happening". do I need to exercise more and eat less?

    1 week is not nearly enough time to make any determinations about anything.
    Fair ... but I'm not trying to lose a TON of weight in a week.. just 2 lbs.
  • You were probably building muscle.. It weighs more than fat...

    lolz

    lolz is my thought exactly. A pound is a pound, muscle is more dense than fat.
  • koosdel
    koosdel Posts: 3,317 Member
    You were probably building muscle.. It weighs more than fat...

    Not this. You cannot build muscle on a calorie deficit.

    ^ This is untrue, you can build muscle in a deficit, it's just very difficult, requires certain conditions to exist, and requires very accurate intakes. Can an experienced bodybuilder do it? Very unlikely. Can someone who just started lifting? More likely in this case.

    Now that being said, the problem with people claiming that muscle gain is offsetting scale weight, is that it doesn't physiologically work that way. If you are eating at a deficit, you are LOSING WEIGHT, by definition of deficit. Even if you are building/recomping some lean mass during a cut, your SCALE WEIGHT will decrease because you are in a deficit.

    Lolz x 2!!!
  • alyssamiller77
    alyssamiller77 Posts: 891 Member
    You were probably building muscle.. It weighs more than fat...

    :explode:

    This is not accurate.

    The average woman will put on fewer than 5 lbs. of muscle in her ADULT LIFETIME unless she is hardcore training with Olympic weights.

    And muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. Please stop repeating this. Thank you.

    Umm adipose tissue (body fat) has a density of .9 Kg/L while muscle has a density of 1.06 Kg/L. Therefore a Liter of fat will indeed weigh less than a Liter of muscle tissue. Now granted the difference is only .16 Kg so it is a relatively small difference but the poster's point while poorly worded was not inaccurate.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    Lolz x 2!!!

    I am happy to hear your thoughts on this if you have any.
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    Most of the days I got to Karate for ~3 hours. From 4 to 7. But i only REALLY work out for ~2 out of the 3 hours of that. and I was following it for about a week before the "Happening". do I need to exercise more and eat less?

    1 week is not nearly enough time to make any determinations about anything.
    Fair ... but I'm not trying to lose a TON of weight in a week.. just 2 lbs.

    First, your weight lose won't be linear. You might lose nothing this week, 2 lbs the next, 1 the next and 4 the next.

    Second, 2lbs a week IS kind of a lot to expect and in my opinion hard to maintain. That's a calorie deficit of 1000 a day! That leaves a lot of people hungry and more prone to binge and/or give up. I think most people should only try for 1lb a week (if not less). That's only 500 calories a day to cut.
  • ChubbieTubbie
    ChubbieTubbie Posts: 481 Member
    There are many reasons why the scale may not move but progress is still being made--water retention, etc. As long as you are losing inches, you are still doing well. Just keep at it and look at long-term results, not daily results. There are some weeks where I lose nothing, and others where I lose 5 pounds, all while doing the exact same things. Hang in there!
  • McKayMachina
    McKayMachina Posts: 2,670 Member
    You were probably building muscle.. It weighs more than fat...

    :explode:

    This is not accurate.

    The average woman will put on fewer than 5 lbs. of muscle in her ADULT LIFETIME unless she is hardcore training with Olympic weights.

    And muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. Please stop repeating this. Thank you.

    This has no bearings on me... apparently look very womanly. I'm a guy... and this is embarrassing.

    :laugh: I only mentioned the range for women because MunkiMarie posted it. It was a reply to her. I promise I didn't think you were a chick. I don't know what the average is for men but I am going to go ahead and assume it's no more than 3 or 4x as much on the absolute outside.

    lol

    Sorry for the confusion.

    P.S.: If you haven't noticed, the ratio of AWFUL advice to GOOD advice on the forums is about 10:1. lol
  • kmbrooks15
    kmbrooks15 Posts: 941 Member
    1 pound of muscle takes up less space than 1 pound of fat. So as you strengthen your muscles, the actual pounds may stay the same, but more of the pounds are muscle, which takes up less space, which is why you are getting thinner. I'm experiencing the same thing...my rings are loose, my undergarments are loose, I had to take my belt up a notch, etc., but the scale isn't moving much right now. Just keep at it, and the scale will eventually start to move again.

    Everyone keeps repeating the "muscle weighs more than fat" adage. It's not true. That's like the question they used to ask in science class: "What weighs more, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?" They are both 1 pound, so they weigh the same! The difference is the density and the amount of space they take up. A pound of lead takes up a whole lot less space than a pound of feathers. Same with muscle and fat. A pound of muscle and a pound of fat weigh exactly the same amount, but that pound of muscle takes up less space than the pound of fat because muscle is denser. It's a common misconception about weight vs. mass and density. Now if you take equal MASSES of fat and muscle (in other words, equal volumes), then yes, the muscle will weigh more because it's denser.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    1. Weight loss is not a linear, predictable event. Patience is key, as others have said.

    2. You do not gain muscle weight in a calorie deficit, nor do you gain muscle weight in a matter of days. Stronger muscle fibers != heavier muscle tissue. If you have ropes on one side of a box and can't lift the box, then adjust the ropes to all 4 corners of the box, and lift it successfully, the ropes didn't get heavier, they just got more efficient (stronger.)

    3. If you are losing inches, but not weight, it's most likely water and glycogen. Your muscles use glycogen for their energy source, and glycogen is stored in the muscle tissue with water. When you increase activity and exercise, your muscles call for more glycogen to be stored in them to increase their endurance, this causes more water to be stored in the muscles with glycogen. THat's why the scale shows no loss or sometimes even an increase.
  • MaximumAngelus
    MaximumAngelus Posts: 10 Member
    1. Weight loss is not a linear, predictable event. Patience is key, as others have said.

    2. You do not gain muscle weight in a calorie deficit, nor do you gain muscle weight in a matter of days. Stronger muscle fibers != heavier muscle tissue. If you have ropes on one side of a box and can't lift the box, then adjust the ropes to all 4 corners of the box, and lift it successfully, the ropes didn't get heavier, they just got more efficient (stronger.)

    3. If you are losing inches, but not weight, it's most likely water and glycogen. Your muscles use glycogen for their energy source, and glycogen is stored in the muscle tissue with water. When you increase activity and exercise, your muscles call for more glycogen to be stored in them to increase their endurance, this causes more water to be stored in the muscles with glycogen. That's why the scale shows no loss or sometimes even an increase.
    So you're telling me that until I reach a certain point in muscle development the sacle might not move... IDK can you put it in smaller more easily understood words? i kind of get the point but not enough to understand.
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    Basically don't over analysis. Give it time and see what happens. You might be retaining water and/or glycogen and there is no way to guess when this will release.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    1. Weight loss is not a linear, predictable event. Patience is key, as others have said.

    2. You do not gain muscle weight in a calorie deficit, nor do you gain muscle weight in a matter of days. Stronger muscle fibers != heavier muscle tissue. If you have ropes on one side of a box and can't lift the box, then adjust the ropes to all 4 corners of the box, and lift it successfully, the ropes didn't get heavier, they just got more efficient (stronger.)

    3. If you are losing inches, but not weight, it's most likely water and glycogen. Your muscles use glycogen for their energy source, and glycogen is stored in the muscle tissue with water. When you increase activity and exercise, your muscles call for more glycogen to be stored in them to increase their endurance, this causes more water to be stored in the muscles with glycogen. That's why the scale shows no loss or sometimes even an increase.
    So you're telling me that until I reach a certain point in muscle development the sacle might not move... IDK can you put it in smaller more easily understood words? i kind of get the point but not enough to understand.

    When you work out, your body uses glycogen. When you work out more consistently, your body starts storing more glycogen. Glycogen needs water. So your body stores more water as well. That's how muscle repairs itself. Once your body figures out how much it needs, it will regulate and you will start to see the scale move.

    Personally, I feel body fat is a much better indicator of fitness than weight, I'll never be able to get down to a "normal" BMI, I have too much muscle mass.
  • czechsmate
    czechsmate Posts: 556 Member
    You were probably building muscle.. It weighs more than fat...

    :explode:

    This is not accurate.

    The average woman will put on fewer than 5 lbs. of muscle in her ADULT LIFETIME unless she is hardcore training with Olympic weights.

    And muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. Please stop repeating this. Thank you.

    This has no bearings on me... apparently look very womanly. I'm a guy... and this is embarrassing.

    :laugh: I could tell you are a guy!
  • lisaisso
    lisaisso Posts: 337 Member
    very interesting and helpful post.. basically, if you continue to do all the right things, the scale has no choice but to move down.. i'm experiencing this right now- i haven't lost any weight since last weekend, but i've upped my weight training, and done a little bit more cardio, in fact today, the scale says i've gained 2 lbs- which i know is impossible. reading this and constantly reminding myself that as i work my muscles more/harder, that short term they will hang onto water, but eventually my body will respond with, "wtf, get outta here. i don't need all this *kitten*.'
    :heart:
  • If you use muscle it stores glycogen, to do this it must also store four times that much water as well, as long as you are folowing a plan and creating a calorie deficit all will become good in time.
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