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bulking/cutting

Jessicaruby
Jessicaruby Posts: 881 Member
edited October 2024 in Fitness and Exercise
i am on a mission to get built!!! right now i am lifting with a calorie deficit. and i have gained weight!!! i can see some changes and have more muscle definition in my arms and legs. however i want to be ripped. in order to get this appereance do i have to eat above maintance? also do i have to do a bulk and cutting cycle or can i just eat at maintance and lift and see the results i want? i am new to this..... if it helps i am 24yr old i am 5'7 and weigh about 133lbs. i am also taking supplements. i take assault before lifting and fish oil pills after as well as protein shakes a multi vitamin and fiber pills......... please help

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  • MissFit0101
    MissFit0101 Posts: 2,382
    bump .. I want to read this later.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    If you eat at maintenance, include a good amount of protein (~1g per lb body weight), you can shift your body comp to be more muscle / less fat %. But it's a slow process. People do the bulk/cut cycle because the muscle builds faster, but at the expense of some fat as well, hence the cut afterwards.

    The weight gain while in a deficit is like water weight. If you continue an intense workout regiment while in a deficit you will lean out and maintain most of your muscle.

    Winter's approaching.. good time for a bulk phase perhaps :)
  • Lift_hard_eat_big
    Lift_hard_eat_big Posts: 2,278 Member
    Read up on body recomposition or leangains
  • buddha5050
    buddha5050 Posts: 40 Member
    If you eat at maintenance, include a good amount of protein (~1g per lb body weight), you can shift your body comp to be more muscle / less fat %. But it's a slow process. People do the bulk/cut cycle because the muscle builds faster, but at the expense of some fat as well, hence the cut afterwards.

    The weight gain while in a deficit is like water weight. If you continue an intense workout regiment while in a deficit you will lean out and maintain most of your muscle.

    Winter's approaching.. good time for a bulk phase perhaps :)
    yup
  • Jessicaruby
    Jessicaruby Posts: 881 Member
    while bulking will i see a good amount of muscle definition or will i look fatter?
  • Lift_hard_eat_big
    Lift_hard_eat_big Posts: 2,278 Member
    while bulking will i see a good amount of muscle definition or will i look fatter?

    That depends on if you do a 'clean bulk' or a 'dirty bulk'
  • Jessicaruby
    Jessicaruby Posts: 881 Member
    while bulking will i see a good amount of muscle definition or will i look fatter?

    That depends on if you do a 'clean bulk' or a 'dirty bulk'

    i eat alot of fruits, veggies, egg substitute, chicken breast, turkey, rolled oats, yogurt, fat free no sugar added ice cream for cravings. nuts, and muscle milk light for a protein drink. so if i ate at a surplus i would just eat more of these foods.
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    I'm in a "bulking phase" (yeah, for winter, cutting again for summer). I've been told to expect 0.3lbs of fat gain with every pound of muscle gain. I'm not sure where my maintenance is right now but I've read anywhere from 5% (around a 100ish) surplus to 500 calorie surplus a day. But again, I need to figure out maintenance first I guess. I think it's around 2000-2300 for me (150lbs, 5'9"). Last week I averaged 2120 net and seem to have lost a pound. This week, so far I'm at an average of 2300 net.
  • Lyadeia
    Lyadeia Posts: 4,603 Member
    Over the past month, I have added 3 pounds to my physique by lifting heavy weights. However, my body actually looks a little smaller than before. I don't think that if you are eating the right nutrition that you will appear fatter, especially if you are picking up and putting down some heavy weight.
  • JamesBurkes
    JamesBurkes Posts: 382 Member
    It's hard to give generic advice as everyone's body and capability of building muscle is so different.

    For example, I gain muscle easily (and fat too, unfortunately) so I can build muscle while leaning out at the same time. Then again, I build muscle from cardio (18 inch calves just from power walking and jogging) so it's hard to give advice to people who face different problems than I do (like the skinny folks who lift heavy but struggle for every ounce of muscle).

    Best general advice is lift heavy, get enough rest and eat at least one gram of protein for every lb of body mass. Other than that, it'll just have to be experimentation. Try eating at maintenance levels for a few months (but bear in mind the protein requirement) and see what happens. If you're disappointed with the results then increase your calories from "clean" sources (lean meats, rice, vegetables) and see what happens then.

    One way to build muscle and not put on so much fat is to increase your calories but also increase your cardio. That way you get the extra nutrients you need but you combat a bit of the extra calories. If you're going to do that though, keep the cardio low intensity and relatively short - you just want to burn a few calories, not dig in to your muscle building ability.

    The way to go is experiment, experiment, experiment.

    Personally, I found most of the advice you find on websites etc, don't work for me. I build both muscle and fat very easily, so have found a CKD diet combined with cardio (LISS and HIIT) and heavy weights means I can build muscle and lose fat at the same time. I certainly wouldn't recommend that approach to a newbie or a skinny hard-gainer, though....
  • Jessicaruby
    Jessicaruby Posts: 881 Member
    if you are going to bulk and then cut how many calories do you add or subtract from maintance? also if i am going to do this how often, how much, and what types of exercises do i need to do?
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    if you are going to bulk and then cut how many calories do you add or subtract from maintance? also if i am going to do this how often, how much, and what types of exercises do i need to do?

    There are people who will swear by rather aggressive bulk cycles for people who are just starting to bulk. End result is (anecdotally) faster mass gains for both lean AND fat, and it would require a longer cut cycle. ("fulking" if you will). I have nothing to support this comment, just sharing based on several opinions that I read on bodybuilding.

    If it were me, I would bulk conservatively at about 10 to 15% above maintenance calories.

    1g/lb LEAN mass in protein MIN
    .35g/lb bodyweight in fat MIN
    remainder in carbs

    ^ general guideline.

    EDIT: Also, whether or not you'll "appear" to be more muscular/cut after a bulk phase depends on both the success of the bulk, AND what your current physique is.

    I think people who are already lean and muscular tend to look a bit fatter (but obviously very muscular), and people who are just slender but not very muscular tend to end up looking more muscular.
  • Jessicaruby
    Jessicaruby Posts: 881 Member
    i am scared to eat above maintance!!! i do not want to get fat!!! what kinds of weight lifting do i need to be doing if i am goin to do a bulk and cut cycle? i want to obtain as much info as possible before deciding what i want to do. right now with eating at a deficit and lifting i have seen a slight weight gain but i can see more muscle definition
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    It IS kind of scary, but you've got to convince yourself that it is worth it. Maybe try putting your scale away and just do measurements. This is what I'm going to do:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/373609-where-would-i-measure-if-i-wanna-track-muscle-gain


    Check out this post for a good starter routine:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/373801-two-day-full-body-strength-training-routine

    Or I'm doing the New Rules of Weight Lifting for Women.
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