Runners - how insane is this training programme?

BerryH
BerryH Posts: 4,698 Member
edited October 2024 in Fitness and Exercise
This is the official beginner's training programme for the London Marathon. To me it looks completely mental. What do you think?

http://www.virginlondonmarathon.com/training-centre/training-advice/training-plans/beginner-24-week-training-plan/

It starts off with 6 days a week running, then there's a couple of weeks with no rest day at all. There are jog/run intervals on the longest runs instead of a long slow run. There's no cross training and no advice on warm up/cool down stretching and nutrition that you'd expect for beginners.

If I'd never run before and been offered a charity place, I can't imagine how I'd feel if I started on this.

I'm quite tempted to write to them! They do, of course, sell their own training guides, books and DVDs so are probably trying to drum up custom from newbies who start it and realise too late how painful it is.

Needless to say, I'm not doing this one. I've devised my own based on Hal Higdon and the sage advice of a number of experienced MFPers :smile:

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  • SueInAz
    SueInAz Posts: 6,592 Member
    That definitely sounds a bit crazy. Hopefully a complete beginner wouldn't be training for a marathon in 24 weeks in the first place but they definitely shouldn't be running 6 days per week. I've looked at a couple of half marathon plans and they all recommend running every other day with one long, slow run. One even recommends two days off after the long run.
  • momma3sweetgirls
    momma3sweetgirls Posts: 743 Member
    I'm not a professional runner, but no rest days and no cross training seems a bit much. I like Hal Higdon's training schedules. www.halhigdon.com. There are multiple training schedules based on your ability (e.g. novice, advanced, etc.). I'm about to start his 10K training schedule.
  • tameko2
    tameko2 Posts: 31,634 Member
    this looks okish for someone like my sister who can already comfortable run a mile but that's it (meaning a 10 minute run every day for a week is probably a bit of a stretch for her but she could do it).

    For someone like me who had to work up from 60 seconds to 90 seconds running/walking its impossible. And running every day to start off wiht is impossible too - I got horrible shinsplints when I started from doing that. I could probably run 6 days a week in a few more weeks when my legs are a little tougher but I agree this is NOT a beginner program.
  • RAFValentina
    RAFValentina Posts: 1,231 Member
    Yes but they are tiny runs at the start! They don't even make up your daily exercise recommendation! They also say "jog" not run so they're not full on sprints or race pace runs and there is a lot of walking in them too! I run 6 days a week normally or x-train so I don't think it's that bad! If they were starting out with hour long runs 6 days a week at first I would be thinking thats a bit mad... but they're also going to be at your own pace whatever your ability. So I would disagree that this is insane! Looks pretty relaxed for a marathon training programme if you ask me! I trained way harder as a beginner for my first 10km race! 15mins of jogging is probably only about a mile for most people at beginner level! That was less than the length of my road when I lived in Newcastle! You're not going to be broken from jogging that in the first week with no rest day, its normal recommended activity level stuff!

    So basically what I'm saying is... it won't be as hard as you think and you'll be able to cruise it! Especially as there's no distance to the time allocations on the run times suggested! :)
  • RAFValentina
    RAFValentina Posts: 1,231 Member
    Also looks like there is at least one rest day per week... rest days don't have to mean no physical activity either. On my run rest days I might go for a light cycle, x-train or do resistance training or simply just walk!
  • Amanda_Runs
    Amanda_Runs Posts: 169 Member
    it IS completely mental!
    rest days are imperative!

    I am going to follow this program... http://www.halhigdon.com/marathon/Mar00index.htm
  • AZTrailRunner
    AZTrailRunner Posts: 1,199 Member
    I would never recommend running 6 days a week for anyone with less than 6 months of running under their belt. It's a good way to get injured. Other than that the workouts are short and manageable.

    I had more of an issue with the use of the word "jog" than anything else. lol
  • RAFValentina
    RAFValentina Posts: 1,231 Member
    But its not INTENSE exercise at the start so you aren't working hard enough to get more than one rest day! Effectively because the intensity is so low you are resting! As you get stronger (and this is a very gradual training programme!) you can run longer with less effect! Also you need to shock the system at first! Training isn't easy for a marathon and requires commitment, dedication and training through mild muscle soreness which is an inevitable aspect of training for big events. I exercise vigorously 6 times a week on average, running probably 4 times and use cross training as my rest days even though its vigorous. Pain is weakness leaving the body! There's nothing harmful about running with DOMS (Muscle soreness) All it is, is tiny micro tears in the muscle fibres from being worked. You probably won't get this if you jog for 15 minutes, perhaps if you run intensely for 30 minutes you will and more than likely after a good hours run. When the fibres repair they will grow back stronger. It's only done me the world of good and made my will power stronger!
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    While it is a good bit in regards to running mostly 6 days a week, I don't think it's that bad. Lots of those begining runs are short. & depending on a persons mile time, they aren't running very far at all.
  • godblessourhome
    godblessourhome Posts: 3,892 Member

    i actually think it's decent as a program. as a beginner, six months is definitely enough time to train for a half-marathon and it starts off very easy with 15 minutes of jogging each day. not too crazy.
  • UrbanRunner81
    UrbanRunner81 Posts: 1,207 Member
    I would never recommend running 6 days a week for anyone with less than 6 months of running under their belt. It's a good way to get injured. Other than that the workouts are short and manageable.

    I had more of an issue with the use of the word "jog" than anything else. lol

    I don't like the word jog either. lol I also don't like how there isn't any distance goals. One person could run a lot longer in a set time than another.

    I like Hal's training plans personally.
  • I wouldn't consider it too out of line, considering the goal of running a marathon. While 6 sessions a week would seem to be extreme if it were all high mileage at moderate to high exertion, the plan does differentiate between time spent jogging and running. The times indicated are also pretty short to begin with. So as long was the trainee really does jog when indicated, they should be fine. (If the trainee is feeling drained, or breathing heavily during a session marked "jog" then they're doing it wrong.) That's also why I don't think that the two weeks of 7 sessions are all that bad since one of them includes a day of 15 minutes walking. Hardly a strenuous day for anyone considering a 26.2 mile run. However, no one is forcing the trainee to forgo health or happiness. If you need a day, just take it.
    Also keep in mind that this is just a training program for completing a marathon, not an overall fitness regime or a lifestyle plan. Issues of nutrition, stretching, cross-training, etc. are best left to the individual, since they know their own needs. And if they don't, they'll start being made aware of them as they proceed with the plan.
  • AZTrailRunner
    AZTrailRunner Posts: 1,199 Member
    I think the word "beginner" should be defined a little.
  • BerryH
    BerryH Posts: 4,698 Member
    I also don't like how there isn't any distance goals. One person could run a lot longer in a set time than another.
    Oh, that too! The longest run/"jog"/walk is three and a half hours - that would get me to mile 16 at my current speed!
  • Dragonfly1996
    Dragonfly1996 Posts: 196 Member
    Looks horrendous - feel sorry for any newbies following that!! Am sure ur own plan is much better!! I read various plans when looking to train for my HM at the end of this month & some of them were mind boggling. In the end I devised my own based on previous experience & suggestions in runners world which include rest days & cross training!! Good luck :flowerforyou:
  • Da1sy
    Da1sy Posts: 2
    Although it sounds a lot you shouldn't be training for a marathon from a complete beginner stand point, it just isn't smart, you need to build up slower than that. I trained for a marathon last year using a plan from the Runners World site which was great. I got 2-3 rest days a week, but it still takes a huge amount of time commitment. Only you know what an achievable plan is for you that starts at the right level.

    All the best with your training, that's the hardest part, and you'll feel amazing at the end :)
  • dawnstl
    dawnstl Posts: 90 Member
    That's totally insane and unhealthy. So glad you are not following that plan!
  • arc918
    arc918 Posts: 2,037 Member
    My $.02 - not ideal, but not terrible. It all depends on the runner. Not a great plan for someone with no base (we can also debate whether or not couch to marathon is a good idea or not...).

    I reject the notion that one needs a rest day after a 15 minute jog. Some runners may and other may not.
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