Felt kinda bad, but then really didn't.......

ninerbuff
ninerbuff Posts: 48,970 Member
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Some Boy Scouts were out fundraising and asked me to see if I wanted to help support. Usually I would help any teen organization, but in this case no. Why? Because I don't like to support organizations that discriminate against others because of sexual orientation. I felt kinda bad because I know that helping is good, but at the same time if I did I would feel I support the organization's stance on sexual orientation. I have to stick with what I believe in and until it changes, I can't support them.
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  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member
    And don't buy that partially hydrogenated garbage from the girl scouts either!
  • jlpurdham
    jlpurdham Posts: 11 Member
    You shouldn't feel bad. I would do the same thing.
  • juliecat1
    juliecat1 Posts: 3,450 Member
    Did the same thing a couple of days ago for the exact same reason. That and their popcorn is like 30 bucks for what I can buy for 6 at the store.
  • forme2310
    forme2310 Posts: 157 Member
    You should not feel bad for how you feel and what you believe in. I appreciate you for sticking up for us and You are inspiration to us all
  • foremant86
    foremant86 Posts: 1,115 Member
    I wouldn't feel bad either!
  • Unwrapping_Candy
    Unwrapping_Candy Posts: 487 Member
    Good for you for standing up for what you believe in. :)
  • Lift_hard_eat_big
    Lift_hard_eat_big Posts: 2,278 Member
    What was the issue? They wouldn't allow a transgender into the scouts?
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Nothing to feel bad about.
  • Jorra
    Jorra Posts: 3,338 Member
    I understand completely.
  • seal57
    seal57 Posts: 1,259 Member
    Some Boy Scouts were out fundraising and asked me to see if I wanted to help support. Usually I would help any teen organization, but in this case no. Why? Because I don't like to support organizations that discriminate against others because of sexual orientation. I felt kinda bad because I know that helping is good, but at the same time if I did I would feel I support the organization's stance on sexual orientation. I have to stick with what I believe in and until it changes, I can't support them.

    I would have done the same thing....Good on you for standing by your beliefs.....
  • quitmakingexcuses
    quitmakingexcuses Posts: 906 Member
    Nevermind, just answered my own question by re-reading your post... :laugh:
  • SmugCanucksGal
    SmugCanucksGal Posts: 79 Member
    I know plenty of girls who were in Boy-scouts growing up. They were allowed to join.
  • Unwrapping_Candy
    Unwrapping_Candy Posts: 487 Member
    What was the issue? They wouldn't allow a transgender into the scouts?

    I am rather pleased with the Girl Scouts of Colorado for allowing that transgendered girl to join. That was the best call they could have made. :) I do, however, support there being only one Scouts in which both boys and girls can participate. There's no sense in keeping them divided. Boys should be able to do arts and crafts and girls should be able to learn to tie knots. Unite the two groups and stop perpetuating an ignorant gender divide in a society that desperately needs more unity and less division. :D
  • adjones5
    adjones5 Posts: 938 Member
    Don't feel bad at all. There are plenty of groups to support that don't discriminate based on sexual orientation or religion.
  • Just_Dot
    Just_Dot Posts: 2,283 Member
    Good for you! That's the reason why I will never allow my son to join Boy Scouts.
  • 1a1a
    1a1a Posts: 761 Member
    Heh, I had never thought about how the scouts and guide perpetuate a gender divide before, I think you made a good call. (The effect of which could be bolstered by articulating your thoughts on paper and sending them a letter).
  • Jo_Bird
    Jo_Bird Posts: 38 Member
    There's a bit of a contradiction there, don't you think? You won't support a group of wholesome kids because you think they don't support your belief? I guess I'm just not following the logic behind that. I agree that what their selling is just unhealthy ick. To each it's own and you should alway's follow your heart.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,970 Member
    There's a bit of a contradiction there, don't you think? You won't support a group of wholesome kids because you think they don't support your belief? I guess I'm just not following the logic behind that. I agree that what their selling is just unhealthy ick. To each it's own and you should alway's follow your heart.
    Where's the contradiction? The Boy Scouts DON'T allow homosexuals in their organization because they discriminate against them. I don't think that, it's written in the rules.
  • Just_Dot
    Just_Dot Posts: 2,283 Member
    Nor do they allow atheists or agnostics.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,970 Member
    Nor do they allow atheists or agnostics.
    This too.
  • Jo_Bird
    Jo_Bird Posts: 38 Member
    Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. I wasn't agreeing with the scouts. I found it to seem dicrimminating on one belief that didn't agree with yours. I may not like a lot of things but it's their belief and a free country comes with plus and minuses. My brother was a boyscout and we didn't grow up with religion. And, that's just weird to me that they would ask your sexual orientation when your a child. I don't think they asked my brother if he were gay or straight either. That's just strange isn't it that it would even be put in the rules for kids? There's something wrong with the people that even would put that in there for children. I'm trying to keep my kids - "kids" as long as possible and I don't want them focused on sexual anything, especially in scouts - dislike.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Boy Scouts continues long through the teen years. How do you think a 16 year old Eagle Scout would feel knowing he has to hide the fact he's gay or be thrown out?
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,970 Member
    Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. I wasn't agreeing with the scouts. I found it to seem dicrimminating on one belief that didn't agree with yours. I may not like a lot of things but it's their belief and a free country comes with plus and minuses. My brother was a boyscout and we didn't grow up with religion. And, that's just weird to me that they would ask your sexual orientation when your a child. I don't think they asked my brother if he were gay or straight either. That's just strange isn't it that it would even be put in the rules for kids? There's something wrong with the people that even would put that in there for children. I'm trying to keep my kids - "kids" as long as possible and I don't want them focused on sexual anything, especially in scouts - dislike.
    I wasn't offended. I just didn't see how I was contradicting myself. My belief is that organizations that discriminate against others because of sexual orientation or preference shouldn't be organizations I support because regardless of how "good" they may seem, it's still wrong.
  • jetscreaminagain
    jetscreaminagain Posts: 1,130 Member
    Niner is exactly right. So is tigersword but I would also add that gay adults are not allowed to volunteer or have anything to do with the explorer program. There have been instances where this resulted in cool stuff on the local level not being allowed. Plus their explorer scout program is essentially a career program, letting the young people learn about vocations, and that is not allowed for an out gay kid. So it isn't just being n eagle scout but also some career stuff they refuse to a huge segment of the population.

    And they've kicked out 4th graders who are atheist and refuse the god part of the boy scout pledge. Nnot pledging that seems more honorable than lying about it.
  • lloydrt
    lloydrt Posts: 1,121 Member
    I was a former Cub scout and Boy Scout and really have great memories of the guys I was in troop with , as well as my Scout Master.......we had great times , did the camping out, fishing, camp fires, looking for SNIPES, lol


    yeah, I went SNIPE HUNTING with my flashlight and could never find one............hmm, you wonder

    I buy girl scout cookies and give em back, they need the money..... Im not going to personally go after some 8 year old Girl Scout about my beliefs, they re just so sweet and cute............aww

    I DONT NOT support any organization that discriminates, whether the kids are gay, straight, bisexual, transgendered, black, white, green, atheist ,Muslim, Jewish., etc, etc

    were all human............. Good for you for standing behind your beliefs, youre a good person..........Lloyd
  • Liquid741
    Liquid741 Posts: 292 Member
    nothing wrong with sticking to your principles...there are a lot of organizations and companies that i do not support.

    Ben & Jerry's - avid support of OWS
    Citgo - Chavez
    Best Buy - horrible customer service
    PETA - great points, but terrible PR service...People first imo.
    New England Patriots - Colts fan...cant stand them. LOL

    when i have issues with organizations, i email them and voice it.
  • Iamfit4life
    Iamfit4life Posts: 3,095 Member
    Nothing to feel bad about at all. It's shameful discrimination like that still exists.
  • Qarol
    Qarol Posts: 6,171 Member
    *sigh* My nephew is in cub scouts. His father and my husband both work at the same company, so husband is usually hit up to buy the popcorn. It's NASTY! And the troop doesn't get ALL the proceeds. I told husband next time, just give him money. Do not come home with popcorn. But it bugs me to do this. If you knew my in-laws, you'd know trying to explain anything of that nature would not go over well. Husband knows how hot I get about it...and has asked me to keep the family peace. I swear...my husband was adopted.
  • lloydrt
    lloydrt Posts: 1,121 Member
    Quarol, yep, thats family..............sad thing ,the holidays are around the corner and thats a stressful time for me. Half I get along with great, the other half are certifiable.......no kidding, .......drama central

    One thing Im concentrating on is not to go back to my old emotional eating habits. Its better to avoid the drama and have em make comments about you for not showing up, as opposed to being miserable and making like youre having a nice time


    well not this year, theres going to be a change for once............Hang in there with your in laws, ..........Lloyd
  • casi_ann
    casi_ann Posts: 423 Member
    I wasn't agreeing with the scouts. I found it to seem dicrimminating on one belief that didn't agree with yours. I may not like a lot of things but it's their belief and a free country comes with plus and minuses.

    And, part of our rights is not to give to a cause that discriminates against another persons human rights. I just told my husband the other day not to buy something from the boy scouts for that exact reason. I don't honor any group that discriminates against another persons rights. This is the only way we can speak out, financially, and i'm going to do it. As for the kids, if the parents want them in such a program they have a right to pay for it themselves.
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