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Muscle Gain Mistake

SergeantSunshine_reused
SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
edited October 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
For those tho think it is easy to gain muscle on a calorie deficit I suggest you read this amazing article
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/muscle-gain-mistakes.html

Taken from it:

> Not Eating Enough <

Outside of poor training (which can be either too much or too little), not eating enough is the number one mistake I see most trainees making who can’t gain muscle. This is true even of individuals who swear up, down and sideways that they eat a ton but no matter what they can’t gain weight. It’s been said that ‘hardgainers’ tend to be overtrainers and undereaters and there is much truth to that.

Almost invariably, when you track these big eaters, they really aren’t eating that much. Research has routinely shown that overweight individuals tend to under-estimate food intake (e.g. they think they are eating much less than they actually are) but in my experience ‘hardgainers’ are doing the opposite: vastly overestimating how much they are actually eating in a given day, or over the span of a week.

Similarly, although such trainees may get in a lot of food acutely, invariably they often compensate for those high-caloric intakes by lowering calories on the following day (or even in the same day). So while they might remember that one big-assed lunch meal, they won’t remember how they ate almost nothing later in the day because they got full.

Some people simply lack the appetite to eat sufficient amounts to gain muscle (or any weight at all). While they may be able to force feed calories for a little bit, their appetite regulatory mechanisms kick in and they unconsciously reduce calories. Their bodies also tend to upregulate metabolic rate better than others, so they burn off more calories (a phenomenon called non-exercise activity thermogenesis or NEAT).

But the simple fact is this: if such ‘big-eaters’ were actually eating as much as they think they are, they would be at least gaining some body fat, even if they were gaining zero muscle. If a trainee swears he’s eating a ton, but he’s not even gaining body fat, I know he’s still not eating enough (or even as much as he thinks he is).

Since I’m talking about body fat, I might as well address another very common cause of poor muscle gain and that’s trainees who fear putting on even an ounce of body fat. They’ll deliberately keep their calories low all the time and then wonder why they aren’t magically synthesizing muscle mass out of thin air. At this point, I’m not even including the folks who want to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

The simple physiological fact is that, to gain muscle, you have to provide not only the proper training stimulus, but also the building blocks for the new tissue. This means not only sufficient protein (see below) but also sufficient calories and energy. While it’s wonderful to hope that the energy to build new muscle will be pulled out of fat cells, the reality is that this rarely happens (there are some odd exceptions such as folks beginning a program, and those returning from a layoff).

And while there are extremes (such as my Ultimate Diet 2.0 or some of the intermittent fasting schemes) that allow people to put on muscle while remaining lean, they always invariably alternate periods of low and high calories. With the high calorie part of the diet (e.g. the weekend on the UD2) providing sufficient protein and energy to drive muscle mass gains.

Now, although this is a slightly different topic, I entreat trainees not to take the ‘Eat enough to gain’ to the opposite extreme. While GFH (look it up) can work for many people, eating so much food that a trainee gains a disproportionate amount of fat is just as much of a mistake as not eating enough in the first place.

Unless you’re a sumo wrestler or football lineman, eventually the fat has to come off; the more you put on while gaining muscle mass, the longer you have to diet. Which is not only a psychological chore but often results in performance or muscle mass losses (especially if you diet badly).

What I’m getting at is some optimum level, an intake sufficient to provide sufficient calories and protein for muscle growth without becoming a total fat-*kitten*. Which isn’t very helpful without some starting points which I’ll present now.

Muscle magazine claims notwithstanding, a natural trainee is usually doing damn well to gain 0.5 pounds of muscle per week (and a female might gain half of that). Yes, you’ll occasionally see a faster rate of gain but much more than that (especially for sustained periods) tends to be rare.

And while that may not sound like much, realize that a 0.5 lb per week muscle gain over the course of a year comes out to 26 pounds of lean body mass. And most won’t get that past their first year of training.

However, to get that rate of muscle mass gain will usually require some amount of fat gain, depending on how much over maintenance you’re eating, this might be an additional half pound of fat per week. So a reasonable weekly or monthly weight gain rate might be 1 pound per week or 4 pounds per month of which about half should be muscle and the other half fat.

Short dieting cycles can be inserted to take off the fat of course, a number of people on my forum have been using the Rapid Fat Loss Handbook to strip off fat between short bulking cycles so that they can get back to normal training.

I’d note that this shouldn’t take a huge number of calories over maintenance. Assuming a trainee is not burning off excessive calories through either a ton of cardio (or NEAT), you’re not looking at much more than 500 calories over maintenance to support about the maximum rate of muscle gain for a natural lifter. I’d suggest putting a majority of that on training days (and around training) with a lesser surplus on non-training days. That should help keep fat gains down somewhat.

Of course, this will have to be adjusted based on real world changes in body composition. If you’re not gaining any weight, you need to up calories. If you’re gaining a disproportionate amount of fat, you need to cut things back.
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  • Unfortunately this is probably too long for most people to read on here. *sigh*

    Warning to those who looked at it: Im going to repost tomorrow for more to read. Its great info
  • Leanne3552000
    Leanne3552000 Posts: 395 Member
    Unfortunately this is probably too long for most people to read on here. *sigh*

    Warning to those who looked at it: Im going to repost tomorrow for more to read. Its great info

    I started reading it then saw how long it is. will have to wait until tomorrow
  • Unfortunately this is probably too long for most people to read on here. *sigh*

    Warning to those who looked at it: Im going to repost tomorrow for more to read. Its great info

    I started reading it then saw how long it is. will have to wait until tomorrow

    I would certainly recommend so! :] Is quite long (and its only a small portion) but great info ^-^
  • krypt5
    krypt5 Posts: 243 Member
    I'm a big fan of Lyle.
  • Dizzle_65
    Dizzle_65 Posts: 249 Member
    If people can't be arsed to read a post that is more than three sentences it may explain one of reasons why they're in the situation they're in
  • FoxyMcDeadlift
    FoxyMcDeadlift Posts: 771 Member
    Lyles the man, i know loads of people who are "hardgainers" and cant even finish a simple plate of food
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    If people can't be arsed to read a post that is more than three sentences it may explain one of reasons why they're in the situation they're in

    good point!
  • I think this is why I have seen little results from my weight training workouts. I am always in calorie deficit to lose fat. I think my weight training workouts simply stop me from losing too much muscle while in deficit.
  • I think this is why I have seen little results from my weight training workouts. I am always in calorie deficit to lose fat. I think my weight training workouts simply stop me from losing too much muscle while in deficit.

    Yes, we lifting during a cut to maintain as much muscle mass as we can.
  • If people can't be arsed to read a post that is more than three sentences it may explain one of reasons why they're in the situation they're in

    Good point ^^
  • Uerzer
    Uerzer Posts: 273
    +1!
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    bumpy mcbump!
  • snookumss
    snookumss Posts: 1,451 Member
    This was a brilliant post. :) I will have to share this with some of my fellow lifting partners :D
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    Anything from Lyle, I will definitely have the time to read it.
  • tross0924
    tross0924 Posts: 909 Member
    bump
  • koosdel
    koosdel Posts: 3,317 Member
    Very good.

    Now waiting for the 'I'm gaining on a deficit' response..
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
    Love it! great article, I've been talking about how you can't gain muscle mass while in a caloric deficit for ages. Very few actually believe me, the ones that do are the people who take the time to stop, research how muscle is built, and how our bodies use,store, and remove energy from the body.
  • fteale
    fteale Posts: 5,310 Member
    That is very interesting. I have always put on muscle very fast, but my little sister complains no matter what she does, she never gains muscle. She has consistently under eaten all her life, although she claims she eats a lot, she tends to have one big meal a day, whereas I am constant grazer, and overall eat a lot more!
  • lor007
    lor007 Posts: 884 Member
    Great information, thanks.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    Anything from Lyle, I will definitely have the time to read it.

    ^ Got that right.

    Anyone unaware, Lyle McDonald has awesome info.
  • Contrarian
    Contrarian Posts: 8,138 Member
    Thanks for posting this, Sunshine88.
  • Yanicka1
    Yanicka1 Posts: 4,564 Member
    Love
  • BeeElMarvin
    BeeElMarvin Posts: 2,086 Member
    If people can't be arsed to read a post that is more than three sentences it may explain one of reasons why they're in the situation they're in

    or maybe it's old news to them...
  • If people can't be arsed to read a post that is more than three sentences it may explain one of reasons why they're in the situation they're in

    or maybe it's old news to them...

    Honestly i would be surprised if it was old news to the majority of this site xD
  • lockef
    lockef Posts: 466
    I've read this several times before, but it's still a good read.

    Thanks for posting!
  • Yup! I have seen your posts, would assume you have :]

    love lyle! Hopefully more read this as the day goes on ^-^
  • joejccva71
    joejccva71 Posts: 2,985 Member
    Great stuff SS. Lyle is amazing as always.
  • gp79
    gp79 Posts: 1,799 Member
    I saw this come through before I went off to PT...saved for good reason. Good stuff. Someone out there has skipped this and asking the questions he just answered.
  • mamitosami
    mamitosami Posts: 531 Member
    Thanks a lot for posting this. This is a lot of new info (for me), I can't believe I have so much to learn! I feel like I'm studying for finals!! Keep this information coming for people like me...
  • Dizzle_65
    Dizzle_65 Posts: 249 Member
    QUOTE:

    If people can't be arsed to read a post that is more than three sentences it may explain one of reasons why they're in the situation they're in



    or maybe it's old news to them...

    Knowing the information already is different to not being bothered to read.

    I will still read posts that re-affirm my beliefs / knowledge because a) I occaisionally forget things and b) sometimes someone has a different slant on a particular training regime / diet. that I am willing to give a go. It's more about the journey than the destination
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