Running and burning muscle question!
Kimblesnbits
Posts: 321 Member
How long do you have to run before burning muscle? Or what kind of distance will burn muscle and not fat? Thanks!
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It has more to do with your heart rate than distance. If you've crossed the threshold into anaerobic exercise (above your target heart rate zone) you could begin to burn muscle instead of fat. Find your target heart rate zone and stay in it to ensure that you're burning fat and not muscle. That goes for any cardio activity.0
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There's probably a nutritional side of it, too - if you haven't fueled properly your body is going to go to the quickest source of fuel, whatever that may be. I don't know as much about that, though.0
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Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
To prevent this, you need to lift weights and do cardio.. that will help preserve the muscle that you already have, and help burn mainly fat.0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
I would love to see some documentation to support this claim. I keep reading different opinions on this forum without any scientific articles to support the claims.
Everything I've ever read claims that muscle will be reserved for fuel in the anaerobic zone, and also in the aerobic zone when glycogen has been depleted.0 -
No studies, just experience. But as someone who runs and lifts for size I don't think you have anything to worry about as long as you continue to lift heavy, eat enough protein, get enough rest, aren't in a major calorie deficit and aren't doing enormous amounts of running.
I can't see any problems with running for 60 minutes or more 3-4 times a week as long as the above factors are borne in mind. Now maybe if you were training for a marathon, things may be different. But sometimes I think we can all get too wrapped up in the minutiae of research studies and start worrying about factors that are really insignificant to our progress as non-athletes. Let's face it, 99% of the people on this site are "keep-fitters." What applies to us is very different to what applies to pro-athletes. If you were running ten + miles a time at 6 minute mile pace or something, then yes - maybe you'd be losing muscle. But for those of us who just hit the weights hard then venture out for a 5 mile run a few times a week, I really don't think it's an issue.0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've built muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!0 -
If you're eating enough calories and protein, and doing strength training, you shouldn't be losing much muscle.0
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Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
To prevent this, you need to lift weights and do cardio.. that will help preserve the muscle that you already have, and help burn mainly fat.
Yay for misinformation.
No, they aren't myth. The math behind them is skewed, but the concept of staying within a specific heart rate is sound.0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.0 -
Sorry to hijack, but...
I understand the protein/nutritional side of this conversation, but why does lifting help prevent muscle burn during cardio workouts?0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.0 -
Before I object, are you saying this is the case for most people most of the time, or only under ideal conditions/certain types of people/etc?Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.0 -
Good info here for people who want to burn muscle too.... I want to do marathoning rest of my life so don't want or need big upper body...0
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Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Dang! Didn't think it would turn into this!0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Posting on an internet forum somehow makes you an expert?
And I'll skip the forum search thank you, I prefer actual research.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/362906-can-you-build-muscle-on-a-calorie-deficit/0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Posting on an internet forum somehow makes you an expert?
And I'll skip the forum search thank you, I prefer actual research.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/362906-can-you-build-muscle-on-a-calorie-deficit/
Right... and since OP is not over weight, is not weight training consistently, and (I assume on this) not consuming that much protein stated in the article, then she's not building muscle on calorie deficit..
Nice try Sparky, but I'll go with what I've read and learned from people on the forums who have a lot more credibility in my eyes then you do0 -
Wow, seriously? What does this have to do with anything?Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Posting on an internet forum somehow makes you an expert?
And I'll skip the forum search thank you, I prefer actual research.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/362906-can-you-build-muscle-on-a-calorie-deficit/
Right... and since OP is not over weight, is not weight training consistently, and (I assume on this) not consuming that much protein stated in the article, then she's not building muscle on calorie deficit..
Nice try Sparky, but I'll go with what I've read and learned from people on the forums who have a lot more credibility in my eyes then you do
I weight train about 2 times a week (probably not "consistently" enough to some people?) and run about 5 to 6 times a week 3 to 4.5 miles per run, am I burning muscle or fat?!0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Posting on an internet forum somehow makes you an expert?
And I'll skip the forum search thank you, I prefer actual research.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/362906-can-you-build-muscle-on-a-calorie-deficit/
Right... and since OP is not over weight, is not weight training consistently, and (I assume on this) not consuming that much protein stated in the article, then she's not building muscle on calorie deficit..
Nice try Sparky, but I'll go with what I've read and learned from people on the forums who have a lot more credibility in my eyes then you do
And what exactly is the OPs deficit and protein intake? I don't recall seeing it mentioned.
And all that wonderful stuff you've learned on these forums, the vast majority of it is wrong. There are a few here who know what they're talking about, but most continue to post inaccurate information and pass it off as fact, claiming to have read it here. See where this is going...0 -
Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Posting on an internet forum somehow makes you an expert?
And I'll skip the forum search thank you, I prefer actual research.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/362906-can-you-build-muscle-on-a-calorie-deficit/
Right... and since OP is not over weight, is not weight training consistently, and (I assume on this) not consuming that much protein stated in the article, then she's not building muscle on calorie deficit..
Nice try Sparky, but I'll go with what I've read and learned from people on the forums who have a lot more credibility in my eyes then you do
And what exactly is the OPs deficit and protein intake? I don't recall seeing it mentioned.
And all that wonderful stuff you've learned on these forums, the vast majority of it is wrong. There are a few here who know what they're talking about, but most continue to post inaccurate information and pass it off as fact, claiming to have read it here. See where this is going...
Yea I do... that you have no idea what your talking about.
I'm not debating this anymore.. I know what's true b/c it's been said over and over and over, and validated by people that are in the fitness industry on this forum.
So while you may have a fancy article, it even says that if you are relativity lean you are going to have a hard time building muscle on a calorie deficit.. and OP is pretty lean considering she's 8 pounds away from her goal weight... Which last time I checked isn't overweight like the article stated you needed to be to gain muscle on a calorie deficit.
Good night all.. and hopefully this thread gets killed shortly.0 -
Yes you burn more fat while you exercise in the "fat burning zone" however its' been shown that the total amount of calories burned a day is more important than the actual amount of fat burned.
http://alanaragon.com/myths-under-the-microscope-the-fat-burning-zone-fasted-cardio.html
" In long-term studies, both linear high-intensity and HIIT training is superior to lower intensities on the whole for maintaining and/or increasing cardiovascular fitness & lean mass, and are at least as effective, and according to some research, far better at reducing bodyfat."
http://www.prevention.com/health/fitness/cardio/aerobic-exercises-and-fat-burning/article/9f3868f271903110VgnVCM10000013281eac____/
"It's true that the body burns a higher percentage of calories from fat during more mellow exercise like walking and easy cycling. But, when you pick up the pace for a higher-intensity cardio workout, you burn a greater number of overall calories (which should be your focus for weight loss) and subsequently just as much total fat."0 -
OP: anytime you are on a calorie deficit you will probably burn muscle along with fat. So if you are running on a calorie deficit you will probably burn some muscle. Strength training and eating enough protien (1 gram for every gram of lean body mass) will limit this as much as possible.0
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Fat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Posting on an internet forum somehow makes you an expert?
And I'll skip the forum search thank you, I prefer actual research.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/362906-can-you-build-muscle-on-a-calorie-deficit/
Right... and since OP is not over weight, is not weight training consistently, and (I assume on this) not consuming that much protein stated in the article, then she's not building muscle on calorie deficit..
Nice try Sparky, but I'll go with what I've read and learned from people on the forums who have a lot more credibility in my eyes then you do
And what exactly is the OPs deficit and protein intake? I don't recall seeing it mentioned.
And all that wonderful stuff you've learned on these forums, the vast majority of it is wrong. There are a few here who know what they're talking about, but most continue to post inaccurate information and pass it off as fact, claiming to have read it here. See where this is going...
Good night all.. and hopefully this thread gets killed shortly.
Eew I was NEVER nasty to you so why would you hope my thread gets killed shortly? I'd like as much info as possible and thanks for answering my question before...Which you clearly did not see.0 -
Thanks for the info!OP: anytime you are on a calorie deficit you will probably burn muscle along with fat. So if you are running on a calorie deficit you will probably burn some muscle. Strength training and eating enough protien (1 gram for every gram of lean body mass) will limit this as much as possible.0 -
I think your question is ecxeptionally hard to answer. We don't know your exertion level during these runs, and we don't know how you're fueling your body (both generally and during the run).
As others have said, speaking VERY generally, if you are losing weight you are more than likely losing a combination of fat and muscle. Getting plenty of protein will help limit the amout of muscle lost.0 -
Hmm you still didnt get the answer you needed did you? lol I wanted to know to, I to run and do step aerobics and weight train two times a week. lol oh well hope someone will come by and put something that is nto so hard to read back and forth like a tennis gameFat burning zone and fitness zone are basically myths.. Any type of cardio is going to burn muscle and fat no matter what you do, how long you do it, etc.
This can't be true for me at least! I've build muscle doing only cardio like the stair climber etc. without doing weights before!
Your not building muscle.. It takes a calorie surplus and heavy weights to build muscle.
You may be burning off the fat so the muscle shows more, but you are not building muscle by any means..
Do a fourm search for building muscle.. you'll see what i mean.
Yay, more misinformation.
Building muscle does NOT require a surplus, it requires proper nutrition, which can be achieved on a a deficit.
And heavy weights, do you know what a stair climber is? Every time you step up you're lifting the majority of your body weight, I would call that a significant weight.
Coming from the person who has 15 posts Vs The person who has 1,700..
If your so smart and I'm so misinformed, then how come you don't post anything that supports what you claim?
Like I said, do a forum search.. Read, and then realize how stupid you really sound.
Posting on an internet forum somehow makes you an expert?
And I'll skip the forum search thank you, I prefer actual research.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/362906-can-you-build-muscle-on-a-calorie-deficit/
Right... and since OP is not over weight, is not weight training consistently, and (I assume on this) not consuming that much protein stated in the article, then she's not building muscle on calorie deficit..
Nice try Sparky, but I'll go with what I've read and learned from people on the forums who have a lot more credibility in my eyes then you do
And what exactly is the OPs deficit and protein intake? I don't recall seeing it mentioned.
And all that wonderful stuff you've learned on these forums, the vast majority of it is wrong. There are a few here who know what they're talking about, but most continue to post inaccurate information and pass it off as fact, claiming to have read it here. See where this is going...
Good night all.. and hopefully this thread gets killed shortly.
Eew I was NEVER nasty to you so why would you hope my thread gets killed shortly? I'd like as much info as possible and thanks for answering my question before...Which you clearly did not see.0 -
Hmm you still didnt get the answer you needed did you? lol I wanted to know to, I to run and do step aerobics and weight train two times a week. lol oh well hope someone will come by and put something that is nto so hard to read back and forth like a tennis game
The question has been partially answered already, it depends on your diet. Specifically the nutritional aspect of your diet. There isn't really a specific time/distance answer.0 -
Hmm you still didnt get the answer you needed did you? lol I wanted to know to, I to run and do step aerobics and weight train two times a week. lol oh well hope someone will come by and put something that is nto so hard to read back and forth like a tennis game
The question has been partially answered already, it depends on your diet. Specifically the nutritional aspect of your diet. There isn't really a specific time/distance answer.
Ok that answers it also because I thought maybe there'd be a time or distance when you'd start burning muscle. I'm still new to all this so please excuse me!
thanks for the info! 0 -
Hmm you still didnt get the answer you needed did you? lol I wanted to know to, I to run and do step aerobics and weight train two times a week. lol oh well hope someone will come by and put something that is nto so hard to read back and forth like a tennis game
The question has been partially answered already, it depends on your diet. Specifically the nutritional aspect of your diet. There isn't really a specific time/distance answer.
Ok that answers it also because I thought maybe there'd be a time or distance when you'd start burning muscle. I'm still new to all this so please excuse me! thanks for the info!
Not a problem. The information is actually fairly straight forward and easy to find, you just need to go find it (and then find evidence to back it up). The issue is misinformation, commonly referred to as broscience, or flat out myth (hence my little tirade earlier). The problem is that not only can misinformation hinder progress, it can be very dangerous, depending on the circumstances.0
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