Advice...LONG!

jacquelyn_erika
jacquelyn_erika Posts: 524 Member
edited October 2024 in Chit-Chat
First, let me start off by saying that I often see a lot of good advice offered on here on a wide variety of subjects.

I will do my best to explain.

So, I got sucked into attending a "technical" institute of sorts..think along the lines of Ross Medical, I.T.T. Tech, etc. It's a 9 month program for Medical Assistant/Phlebotomy Techinican/etc. When I applied, I was just basically looking for a quick way out of waiting tables.. I've been doing that for 5 years and it has pretty much run its course for me. Here's the kicker with this school... the program is $15,500. That's a LOT OF freaking money for a 9 month program. I obviously wasn't thinking clearly and didn't want anyone to try and deter me from making this choice. My boyfriend was with me every step of the application process (literally - he went to every appt with me) but was kind of hinting to me that things might end up going sour with this place.

When I started the financial aid process, I was told since I'm 23 years old I am still considered a dependent of my parent's. Mind you, I moved out a week before I turned 18 and have since then been on my own. Of course that's neither here nor there in the financial aid process. It is what it is. So, since I couldn't take out a loan in my name, it had to be through one of my parent's. I did get approved for a $5,500 pell grant but that was only because they referred to my mom's income versus my dad's. My mom lives out of state and they argued that since my dad and I are technically closer (since we live in the same town), that I would have to use my dad's income when applying for the pell...well, initially we used my dad's and I was denied because his income was too high. They finally said I could use my mom's income (doesn't really make sense why I couldn't in the first place) and all was well.

Fast forward to the loan issue... so, I had to take a loan out in my mom's name. First of all, asking my mom to take out a $4,500 loan for me was kind of a big deal. I had to do some convincing that it would get paid, etc. etc. She agreed to it and the process began. A LOT of work went into this process because since she does live out of state, there was a ton of phone conversations between her and financial aid, a lot of e-mail and fax correspondence, etc. It wasn't easy for anyone. We did end up getting approved, I started school, and that's the last I heard. I should probably add that the remainder of the tuition was a loan through the government (subsidized/unsubsidized).

Fast forward to today, roughly 5 months later since I applied. I was called into the office at school because I need to sign a loan change paper. Come to find out, the parent plus loan that was in my mom's name THAT WAS APPROVED actually never got approved. Someone who no longer works for the school made the mistake. On top of them waiting this long to tell me, I was also informed now I would have $9,000+ worth of loans in my name and I would have to make a payment of $500 to the school before my term ends (so basically before I graduate in April). I think the $500 is a difference somewhere in the loan process but my head was spinning with this information that everything she said after that was kind of a blur. Apparently when they found out the loan was never approved, they ran my mom's credit a SECOND time to see if she would get approved and it was denied. Pretty odd considering she was originally "approved" and has pretty good credit. Is it even legal to run someone's credit more than once without their permission? That's something I'm really curious about because she was never informed of ANY of this until I called her tonight.

So, if you were in my shoes, what would you do? I'm completely torn right now because I could potentially lose out on a ton of money. Sorry this was so long winded!

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  • killerqueen17
    killerqueen17 Posts: 536 Member
    Well, I work in a major public university, and I know first hand that Financial Aid is SOOOOO complicated!! I don't work in the financial aid department, so I don't know much more than the average person. My advice is to keep going higher up in the system... if the person who you are dealing with is not helping you, then go to their supervisor, and continue.

    Do you have any documentation that the loan was approved, or that you were told it was approved? Something in writing? If so, that could help with your case.

    Also, I don't know why they would make you pay part of your loan before you graduate. If you are full time, you don't have to begin repaying federal loans until 6 months post graduation.

    I do know that certain technical institutes and "career schools" are VERY fraudulent with their use of government-subsidized financial aid, so that makes me really suspicious of their practices. If you go as high as possible within Financial Aid at this school, maybe talk to the government branch that is supplying your loan-- is it a Stafford? If so, somebody with the govt may be able to help you sort out what is and is not legal.

    Sorry you are having to deal with this!! In the meantime, find out EXACTLY what the $500 you owe is for... because you shouldn't have to begin making repayments yet. It must be for something else.
  • WifeMomDVM
    WifeMomDVM Posts: 1,025 Member
    Yes, anyone can check your mom's credit without her permission if they have her information when it comes to approving people for a loan.

    Talk to your director of your program and just be honest about your situation. See if they are willing to work with you in one way or another, remember they still want your money, whether it's from you or the government.

    Try to remain calm, this too shall pass.

    Sorry that you're having to deal with it though. :(
  • Jemmuno
    Jemmuno Posts: 413 Member
    How do you have 9,000 dollars worth of loans if the loan wasn't approved? that doesn't make sense. I would re check that I understand you have the subsidized and unsusided loans do those equal 9,000. I would go back and talk to someone because if that loan was not approved than you shouldn't owe on it.
  • miss_p90x
    miss_p90x Posts: 97 Member
    I know that they cant check your credit score before informing you, they have to have to your permission in order to run the check. As for the loan, you should have 6 months after graduation to repay it back, even then you can ask for an extension if you are not employed right away.
  • jacquelyn_erika
    jacquelyn_erika Posts: 524 Member
    Well, I work in a major public university, and I know first hand that Financial Aid is SOOOOO complicated!! I don't work in the financial aid department, so I don't know much more than the average person. My advice is to keep going higher up in the system... if the person who you are dealing with is not helping you, then go to their supervisor, and continue.

    Do you have any documentation that the loan was approved, or that you were told it was approved? Something in writing? If so, that could help with your case.

    Also, I don't know why they would make you pay part of your loan before you graduate. If you are full time, you don't have to begin repaying federal loans until 6 months post graduation.

    I do know that certain technical institutes and "career schools" are VERY fraudulent with their use of government-subsidized financial aid, so that makes me really suspicious of their practices. If you go as high as possible within Financial Aid at this school, maybe talk to the government branch that is supplying your loan-- is it a Stafford? If so, somebody with the govt may be able to help you sort out what is and is not legal.

    Sorry you are having to deal with this!! In the meantime, find out EXACTLY what the $500 you owe is for... because you shouldn't have to begin making repayments yet. It must be for something else.

    I believe my mom should have documentation. I don't personally have any, but since they let me start the program and get this far, obviously I was approved for some kind of loan..if that makes sense.

    I e-mailed the chief financial executive director of the school as soon as I got home. I'm hoping something can be done. At this point, I basically want to cut all ties with them. I've been toying with the idea of dropping classes and going somewhere else, anyhow. It almost seems like this happened at a perfect time, as weird as that sounds.

    Thanks for your input though! I never considered getting in touch with the branch that's supplying my loan but I might have to do that.
  • hazelnut861
    hazelnut861 Posts: 390 Member
    First, there are adult schools that offer the same programs for far less. There's also other business schools that only charge tuition in the amount of the pell grant. But right now ... it depends on how far into wanting to make this work you are. That is a lot of money and if they can't straighten it out I don't think I'd stay. There should be a head of financial aid you can talk to and ask as many questions as you want. If you feel like it's unfair and you don't want to stay in this program at this institution ask about what you can do to get out of it and what you would owe. If you're not satisfied contact an attorney. They are expensive but there must be one that would at least give you some advice for free. And I don't believe they are supposed to run credit without approval. I've had a few car loans in my.moms name and they had to contact her each and every time to run her credit even if it was the sane place trying through a different bank.
  • jacquelyn_erika
    jacquelyn_erika Posts: 524 Member
    Yes, anyone can check your mom's credit without her permission if they have her information when it comes to approving people for a loan.

    Talk to your director of your program and just be honest about your situation. See if they are willing to work with you in one way or another, remember they still want your money, whether it's from you or the government.

    Try to remain calm, this too shall pass.

    Sorry that you're having to deal with it though. :(

    They checked her credit originally when she had first applied for the loan. Then we were told she was approved. I guess when the school found out that she actually wasn't approved, they ran her credit a second time. So, that's why I'm not sure if they were allowed to do that by law.
  • jacquelyn_erika
    jacquelyn_erika Posts: 524 Member
    I know that they cant check your credit score before informing you, they have to have to your permission in order to run the check. As for the loan, you should have 6 months after graduation to repay it back, even then you can ask for an extension if you are not employed right away.

    Thanks! I'm wondering what can be done about them checking her credit score more than once without her permission. I need to look into it a little bit further. Basically anything to help my case at this point, ya know? :)
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,211 Member
    Well if it wasn't approved, then you didn't have a loan. Your education has basically been free. By law, they can't force you to pay if the loan was denied and they've strung you along.
    If a car dealer gave you a car without a loan being approved, it's on them. Legally there's nothing they can do to you.
    If I were you, I'd "barter" for cost right now.
  • jacquelyn_erika
    jacquelyn_erika Posts: 524 Member
    First, there are adult schools that offer the same programs for far less. There's also other business schools that only charge tuition in the amount of the pell grant. But right now ... it depends on how far into wanting to make this work you are. That is a lot of money and if they can't straighten it out I don't think I'd stay. There should be a head of financial aid you can talk to and ask as many questions as you want. If you feel like it's unfair and you don't want to stay in this program at this institution ask about what you can do to get out of it and what you would owe. If you're not satisfied contact an attorney. They are expensive but there must be one that would at least give you some advice for free. And I don't believe they are supposed to run credit without approval. I've had a few car loans in my.moms name and they had to contact her each and every time to run her credit even if it was the sane place trying through a different bank.

    You're right, there are many other schools with far less tuition. Sometimes I tend to jump the gun when I get an idea in my head and that's exactly what I did with this. I had no idea that some schools will charge tuition in the amount of the pell grant. That's something good to know! Thank you!

    As far as an attorney goes, it might come down to that. I'm going to do my best to contact as many people as possible tomorrow to get this figured out. Like you said, it IS a lot of money and it concerns my education so if I can get it refunded somehow and apply it towards another school, that would be very ideal.

    Thanks again :)
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,211 Member


    Thanks! I'm wondering what can be done about them checking her credit score more than once without her permission. I need to look into it a little bit further. Basically anything to help my case at this point, ya know? :)
    If there's a signed paper allowing a credit check, they can check it as often as they need to. Banks do that on credit card holders to see if they have to reduce limits on a cardholder.
  • jacquelyn_erika
    jacquelyn_erika Posts: 524 Member
    How do you have 9,000 dollars worth of loans if the loan wasn't approved? that doesn't make sense. I would re check that I understand you have the subsidized and unsusided loans do those equal 9,000. I would go back and talk to someone because if that loan was not approved than you shouldn't owe on it.

    I guess technically I only have 4,500 in loans since the other half wasn't approved. 4,500 of the loans are in a government loan and the other half was supposed to be in my mom's name.
  • jacquelyn_erika
    jacquelyn_erika Posts: 524 Member


    Thanks! I'm wondering what can be done about them checking her credit score more than once without her permission. I need to look into it a little bit further. Basically anything to help my case at this point, ya know? :)
    If there's a signed paper allowing a credit check, they can check it as often as they need to. Banks do that on credit card holders to see if they have to reduce limits on a cardholder.

    Ah, okay..that makes sense I guess. Can you explain barter for cost? I'm not as dumb as I appear to be, I swear. lol
  • killerqueen17
    killerqueen17 Posts: 536 Member
    Well, I have Stafford loans, and I personally had to sign papers before I received the loans... I think they were called a Master Promissory Note. Basically says you understand what you're getting into, and that you have to pay back the loans even if you can't get a job, etc. Did you or your mom ever sign one of those? You would have to do so in order to receive a loan.

    Also, with my loans I've had to literally click "accept" each semester in my Financial Aid account for the specific amount I want to receive. The thing with federal loans is that it all has to be very, very closely documented. There should be a clear paper trail regarding these loans that you supposedly "accepted".

    Have you looked here yet?
    http://www.direct.ed.gov/

    Again, good luck... Financial Aid is a headache, even in a university that is on the up-and-up... not to mention these crooks you're dealing with :/
  • I would not sign anything else that the school asks you to.
    That is a heck of a lot of money for that field.
    There are a lot of hospitals that will train you to be a Phlebotomist. You might try applying to hospital laboratories for that position, and explain your situation with school. Maybe even apply for a clerk type job in a laboratory, get your foot in the door, and asked to be trained to do phlebotomy. Also check out the requirements for getting certified through a Board of Registry, such as the American Society of Clinical Pathologists.
    I wish you well.
  • LivLovLrn
    LivLovLrn Posts: 580 Member
    I e-mailed the chief financial executive director of the school as soon as I got home. I'm hoping something can be done. At this point, I basically want to cut all ties with them. I've been toying with the idea of dropping classes and going somewhere else, anyhow. It almost seems like this happened at a perfect time, as weird as that sounds.

    Thanks for your input though! I never considered getting in touch with the branch that's supplying my loan but I might have to do that.
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    Just wanted to make sure you realize you would still have to pay back all the money, whether you finish or not. If you are more than 1/2 way through anyway seems like it would be wiser to just stick it out and finish. Quitting is not going to make the hassle go away, they will still harass you about the money until it is paid off
  • TDGee
    TDGee Posts: 2,209 Member
    Check your community colleges in the area. The amount that you would be paying for MA/Phlebotomy is far more than you would pay for equivalent programs at CC or Adult School. If you are interested in healthcare, consider CNA programs as well.

    Good luck :flowerforyou:
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