Flipping the Carb/Protein Goal.....

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Now I am a newbie, and I did search the topic, so if it exists, then I apologize. So here goes. I like to lift weights (I try and consider myself a bodybuilder) at least 3-4x weekly, and I just realized that we have a goal on here for carbs/fat/protein. Being a person in the know about fitness/weightlifting etc., I find that the goals are a little off, especially for men as we need more protein to maintain and build lean mass. My goals are as followed: 238 grams Carbohydrates, 58 grams Fat, and 65 grams protein. What I have been doing is flipping the goals for carbs/protein so I'm basically doing the same calorie goal, just the nutrients are protein heavy. Has anyone else had a concern about this, or has anyone had great results doing it the way I am?

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  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    You can low carb like that if you want to but over the course of time you may have gym performance issues. I'm not saying low carb is bad, it's personal preference. What you're really getting at here though is that MFP's settings for PRO are really low and in that regard yes, you'll want to increase intake.

    A better solution would be to go into your goals tab and hit the "custom" radial button, which will allow you to customize your intake values. Then you can just raise protein to an appropriate amount (1g/lb lean is a good starting point), then set fats to an appropriate amount (.35g-.5g/lb bodyweight is a good starting place), and let carbs end up wherever they do.

    You can also set total calories on this page as well.

    Your current intake is pretty high in PRO and very low in carbs. There's nothing wrong with this, you just might find better lifting performance if you customize it and get your carbs in a better spot. You also might be a touch low on fat intake but I've seen worse.
  • ChrisJ2626
    ChrisJ2626 Posts: 28 Member
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    Oh okay, I'm still figuring this thing out, I didn't realize we could customize it. I was like whoa, 65 grams of protein? What I will probably end up doing is balancing the protein and the carbs to 50/50 after a while. 65 carbs isn't exactly considered ketogenic, but it SHOULD result in quicker weight loss. So maybe I'll start out this way, and then switch it to 50/50 gradually. And yes, I thought the fats were a tad low as well, so I might increase that one too. I've been adding Flaxseed oil to my shakes to try to get to the fat amount. Thank you!
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    . 65 carbs isn't exactly considered ketogenic, but it SHOULD result in quicker weight loss.

    Unless you have an insulin related medical condition the above is incorrect. Energy balance will dictate weight loss.

    Macronutrient composition will only influence your ability to maintain muscle mass while dieting and this will be covered provided you're getting adequate protein intake.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,965 Member
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    65 carbs isn't exactly considered ketogenic,

    There is no exact number. Some people can be consuming 100+ and be in ketosis.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,395 MFP Moderator
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    I changed my to 35% carb, 30% protein and 35% fat. I found if I have much more than 200g of protein, my back hurts (stress on the kidney). This site does tend to over estimate the carb %.
  • ChrisJ2626
    ChrisJ2626 Posts: 28 Member
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    Right. But If I do take in 1g protein per lb of body weight (240) then that means I can only take in the 58 Fat/ 65 Carbs. And I am trying to lose weight and maintain my muscle. I mean, I would like to increase my carbs and keep my calories the same, but it means sacrificing the other macro's. That's where I am struggling a bit.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    Right. But If I do take in 1g protein per lb of body weight (240) then that means I can only take in the 58 Fat/ 65 Carbs. And I am trying to lose weight and maintain my muscle. I mean, I would like to increase my carbs and keep my calories the same, but it means sacrificing the other macro's. That's where I am struggling a bit.

    1g/lb lean mass should be sufficient. This should be far lower than 240 unless you're jacked as all hell.
  • ChrisJ2626
    ChrisJ2626 Posts: 28 Member
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    Okay I understand, so I need to calculate fat free mass and go by that. Probably looking around 150-160 including bone..
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,965 Member
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    Don't know your stats but you could probably eat more....by your #'s your eating around 17-1800 calories. When I was cutting from 204 down to 190 i was consuming 2600 calories and losing about 5 lbs a month and I'm 6'. Just a thought. Keep in mind that carbs are protein protective and getting a few more when cutting would be my recommendation....equal amounts of protein/carbs is pretty standard.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    Don't know your stats but you could probably eat more....by your #'s your eating around 17-1800 calories. When I was cutting from 204 down to 190 i was consuming 2600 calories and losing about 5 lbs a month and I'm 6'. Just a thought.

    For what it's worth, I agree. My last cut was from 190 to 177 at 2250-2450/week at 5'11" -- just giving stats as a reference point.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,965 Member
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    Don't know your stats but you could probably eat more....by your #'s your eating around 17-1800 calories. When I was cutting from 204 down to 190 i was consuming 2600 calories and losing about 5 lbs a month and I'm 6'. Just a thought.

    For what it's worth, I agree. My last cut was from 190 to 177 at 2250-2450/week at 5'11" -- just giving stats as a reference point.
    I'm just starting a bulking phase beginning at 182 and hoping to see some decent muscle gain over the next 3 months.....just in time for short sleeves and summertime, hopefully I can keep the fat to a minimum and get to 190.
  • ccarre81
    ccarre81 Posts: 134 Member
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    Do some research on the 40 30 30 nutrition plan (just google it). It may be helpful for you.
  • Okay I understand, so I need to calculate fat free mass and go by that. Probably looking around 150-160 including bone..

    Yes! I'm 135 but only eat about 105-110g of protien per day (feel free to correct me if I'm off & need to change my goals). Even though I'm a woman, I'm also trying to gain more lean muscle to be ripped for summer. Upping my protien & lowering my carbs has helped alot in this aspect!

    Good Luck!
  • ChrisJ2626
    ChrisJ2626 Posts: 28 Member
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    Well, I'm 5'10 240 lbs. Probably around 40% BF. It is VERY hard for me to lose weight. The last time I had success was the old weight watchers, but I tried it again recently, and I lost maybe a lb in 2 months. So I decided to count calories and pay more attention to macros. I put in the info and 1740 cal was what it came up with . I am trying to drop around 20 lbs before my wedding March 9th.............
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    I'm just starting a bulking phase beginning at 182 and hoping to see some decent muscle gain over the next 3 months.....just in time for short sleeves and summertime, hopefully I can keep the fat to a minimum and get to 190.

    ^ Nice. MFP bulkers unite! I'm at 180 and also bulking. Sitting at 3k currently and hoping to land between .5-1lb per week. Stopping when I get too fat or when the snow melts.
  • ChrisJ2626
    ChrisJ2626 Posts: 28 Member
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    I posted my stats/background, so maybe that helps. I lift around 3-4 days a week, and have a pretty physically demanding job. I work at a local Park as an athletic supervisor, constantly walking, and fixing things, lifting, etc.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    I posted my stats/background, so maybe that helps. I lift around 3-4 days a week, and have a pretty physically demanding job. I work at a local Park as an athletic supervisor, constantly walking, and fixing things, lifting, etc.

    I would recommend taking the time to read this thread:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121703981

    You can then use various methods for estimating your TDEE and then subtract 20% from it. You could probably go a little more agressive if you wanted to but I wouldn't go too crazy with the deficit for the sake of your long term success.

    If you have a handle on your bodyfat % I would use Katsch-McArdle but you should probably use a few different methods and compare results.

    The thread is somewhat long but there's very solid information here that should give you a good starting place for both caloric intake and macronutrients.
  • ChrisJ2626
    ChrisJ2626 Posts: 28 Member
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    Thank you, great info!