Gluten facts - interesting article
reeldancer
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Nonsensical scaremongering.0
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i was going to give it the benefit of the doubt till i got to the part where oats contain gluten. they don't.
nice try, dr. hyman.0 -
i was going to give it the benefit of the doubt till i got to the part where oats contain gluten. they don't.
nice try, dr. hyman.
Firstly - I haven't yet read the article!
You are right that oats don't contain gluten, however oats can be contaminated in the processing and cause problems for those who are gluten sensitive. I know this from my cousin who has severe coeliac.0 -
Nonsensical scaremongering.
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i was going to give it the benefit of the doubt till i got to the part where oats contain gluten. they don't.
nice try, dr. hyman.
Oats do contain a type of gluten that some people with gluten sensitivity or Celiac Disease react to. It is not the exact same gluten protein as wheat, barley, and rye. Also, oats are contaminated with gluten from processing 90% of the time so they still aren't usually safe.0 -
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i was going to give it the benefit of the doubt till i got to the part where oats contain gluten. they don't.
nice try, dr. hyman.
Oats do contain a type of gluten that some people with gluten sensitivity or Celiac Disease react to. It is not the exact same gluten protein as wheat, barley, and rye. Also, oats are contaminated with gluten from processing 90% of the time so they still aren't usually safe.
I am blatantly quoting from Wikipedia here: "Oats lack many of the prolamines found in wheat; however, oats do contain avenin.[10] Avenin is a prolamine that is toxic to the intestinal mucosa of avenin-sensitive individuals, and can trigger a reaction in these coeliacs.[11]"0 -
While the link may overstate some things, it's a lot better then all the crap the government has been telling us for decades about how healthy grains are and how they should be the foundation of our diet. Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.0
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Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.0 -
Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.
This!0 -
I'll vouch for quite a bit of the information in the article, there is a lot of truth in that. I have Celiac and I know a lot of people who have seen a marked improvement in their health and how they feel mentally and physically since going GF.
HOWEVER, if you aren't gluten sensitive it's not going to matter a whole lot, sure, get tested or go GF for a few weeks (only if you don't want to get tested, once you go GF you have to eat it again in order for the test to be accurate) and see how you feel if you exhibit symptoms for being GF.0 -
As someone who has Celiac disease, as do my father and grandmother, latent or late-diagnosed Celiac disease IS very serious. Continuous exposure can, indeed, cause a lot of serious diseases. My great grandmother died of bowel cancer presumably caused from Celiac. My grandmother was only diagnosed at 65 and despite being extremely healthy has osteoperosis due to not absorbing enough calcium.
I personally have pronounced and resistant anemia because I'm not careful enough with my gluten free diet. Elimination of grains is not necessary for anyone, period. Elimination of gluten is only necessary for those sensitive to it.
I don't know. Most of this seems anecdotal because it's just 'people I know' and myself, but Celiac is a serious disease that can be deadly. More people in North America need to be aware and be tested for it, and our doctors need to be better informed. There are a lot of more 'grain dependent' diets and counties in the world (Italy, for one) who routinely test their children at a young age to ensure these terrible secondary diseases don't end up catching up with them later.
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Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.
Studies have been done on gluten and inflamation. Grains was found to cause inflamation in the body in pretty much every person who eats them. Which is obviously not a good thing. The problem is when people's body's react to that inflamation with pains and diarhea and brain fogginess. Not everybody reacts this way, but enough people do that the government needs to stop spewing crap and admit grain isn't so good for everybody.0 -
Actually some oats are cross contaminated with wheat/gluten....Many Celiacs can tolerate the Steel Cut gluten free Oats which have not been cross contaminated.....Others can not....Many of us who have the skin condition that some celiacs have also have a very difficult time with oats.....0
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i was going to give it the benefit of the doubt till i got to the part where oats contain gluten. they don't.
nice try, dr. hyman.
Firstly - I haven't yet read the article!
You are right that oats don't contain gluten, however oats can be contaminated in the processing and cause problems for those who are gluten sensitive. I know this from my cousin who has severe coeliac.
Tis true. We gluten intolerant people are unable to buy regular oats due to cross contamination. People do not realize the cross contamination issue is a BIGGIE! just a little bitty bit is all it takes to make us very very ill. Gluten is our kryptonite.0 -
Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.
Studies have been done on gluten and inflamation. Grains was found to cause inflamation in the body in pretty much every person who eats them.
Stop making things up.
If you're going to claim that "studies show" something, be prepared to post them or GTFO.
In fact, at least one preliminary study has shown that eliminating gluten may be detrimental;
Gut Microbes. 2010 May;1(3):135-137. Epub 2010 Mar 16.
Effects of a gluten-free diet on gut microbiota and immune function in healthy adult humans.
Sanz Y.
Microbial Ecophysiology and Nutrition Group; Institute of Agrochemistry and Food Technology (IATA); Spanish National Research Council (CSIC); Valencia, Spain.
Abstract
Diet is a major environmental factor influencing gut microbiota diversity and functionality, which might be relevant to subjects following dietary therapies. Celiac disease (CD) is an enteropathy caused by an aberrant immune response to cereal gluten proteins and the only therapy is the adherence to a gluten-free diet (GFD). In this context, a preliminary study was conducted to establish whether the GFD in itself could modify the composition and immune properties of the gut microbiota. The trial included 10 healthy subjects (30.3 years-old), which were submitted to a GFD over one month. Analysis of fecal microbiota and dietary intake indicated that numbers of healthy gut bacteria decreased, while numbers of unhealthy bacteria increased parallel to reductions in the intake of polysaccharides after following the GFD. Fecal samples of subjects under a GFD, which represent an altered microbiota, also exerted lower immune stimulatory effects on peripheral blood mononuclear cells than those of subjects on a regular gluten-containing diet. This addendum presents further discussion on the rationale behind these findings, limitations of the study and possible consequences of dietary counselling in the care process of celiac disease patients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3023594/?tool=pubmed0 -
Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.
Studies have been done on gluten and inflamation. Grains was found to cause inflamation in the body in pretty much every person who eats them. Which is obviously not a good thing. The problem is when people's body's react to that inflamation with pains and diarhea and brain fogginess. Not everybody reacts this way, but enough people do that the government needs to stop spewing crap and admit grain isn't so good for everybody.
Great Point about the inflammation that eating grains cause and not just the gluten problems. I cut grains completely out of my diet and my performance the on bicycle has dramatically improved. I'm recovering faster from my workouts and can do my next hard workout sooner.0 -
Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.
Studies have been done on gluten and inflamation. Grains was found to cause inflamation in the body in pretty much every person who eats them. Which is obviously not a good thing. The problem is when people's body's react to that inflamation with pains and diarhea and brain fogginess. Not everybody reacts this way, but enough people do that the government needs to stop spewing crap and admit grain isn't so good for everybody.
Great Point about the inflammation that eating grains cause and not just the gluten problems. I cut grains completely out of my diet and my performance the on bicycle has dramatically improved. I'm recovering faster from my workouts and can do my next hard workout sooner.0 -
In fact, at least one preliminary study has shown that eliminating gluten may be detrimental;
No fact in this statement at all. That isn't what this study proves. Gluten has nothing to do with the good or bad bacteria in your stomach. This study is of the effects a gluten-free diet can have on the bacteria that colonize your gut. It's not good. One benefit of eating wheat is that it contains prebiotics, which feed the beneficial bacteria and help them compete against the less beneficial strains.
Probiotics — a type of "good" bacteria — to be healthy. However, these microorganisms may help with digestion and offer protection from harmful bacteria, just as the existing "good" bacteria in your body already do.
Prebiotics are nondigestible carbohydrates that act as food for probiotics.
When probiotics and prebiotics are combined, they form a synbiotic. Fermented dairy products, such as yogurt and kefir, are considered synbiotic because they contain live bacteria and the fuel they need to thrive.
Probiotics are found in foods such as yogurt, while prebiotics are found in whole grains, bananas, onions, garlic, honey and artichokes.
So if you cut out whole grains as a Gluten Free Diet does, then you need to consume foods that either contain Prebiotics or Probiotics to make up for the loss of prebiotics in whole grain.0 -
Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.
Gluten intolerance is a spectrum. And just b/c you don't have full blown celiac dz doesn't mean that grains won't function as anti-nutrients and prevent uptake of nutrients from other sources.
Regardless, even if you have zero gluten intolerance, grains are just nutrient poor foods. If you can eat them w/o gaining weight then congrats. But if you're trying to lose weight, then they're a great thing to minimize.0 -
Most people would probably be much better off by minimizing (or eliminating) grains.
Utter nonsense.
Unless you belong to the very small percentage of the population that has a specific intolerance, there's no benefit in eliminating grains.
Studies have been done on gluten and inflamation. Grains was found to cause inflamation in the body in pretty much every person who eats them.
Stop making things up.
If you're going to claim that "studies show" something, be prepared to post them or GTFO.
In fact, at least one preliminary study has shown that eliminating gluten may be detrimental;
Gut Microbes. 2010 May;1(3):135-137. Epub 2010 Mar 16.
Effects of a gluten-free diet on gut microbiota and immune function in healthy adult humans.
Sanz Y.
Microbial Ecophysiology and Nutrition Group; Institute of Agrochemistry and Food Technology (IATA); Spanish National Research Council (CSIC); Valencia, Spain.
Abstract
Diet is a major environmental factor influencing gut microbiota diversity and functionality, which might be relevant to subjects following dietary therapies. Celiac disease (CD) is an enteropathy caused by an aberrant immune response to cereal gluten proteins and the only therapy is the adherence to a gluten-free diet (GFD). In this context, a preliminary study was conducted to establish whether the GFD in itself could modify the composition and immune properties of the gut microbiota. The trial included 10 healthy subjects (30.3 years-old), which were submitted to a GFD over one month. Analysis of fecal microbiota and dietary intake indicated that numbers of healthy gut bacteria decreased, while numbers of unhealthy bacteria increased parallel to reductions in the intake of polysaccharides after following the GFD. Fecal samples of subjects under a GFD, which represent an altered microbiota, also exerted lower immune stimulatory effects on peripheral blood mononuclear cells than those of subjects on a regular gluten-containing diet. This addendum presents further discussion on the rationale behind these findings, limitations of the study and possible consequences of dietary counselling in the care process of celiac disease patients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3023594/?tool=pubmed
Interesting study, although worsening gut flora is likely the lesser of evils. I'd also be interested to see what types of diets the GFD group was eating. It's like;y the GFD could be tweaked to prevent the negative effects on the gut flora (eg including some extra dairy).0 -
This is what I have read too, about the protein being very similar to wheat, rye and barley. When I found I could no longer have gluten a year ago, it included oats too. Regular oatmeal, like quaker rolled, apparently has wheat flour on them, I tried gluten free steel cut, and same reaction. So it must definitely be that protein causes the same sensitivity.i was going to give it the benefit of the doubt till i got to the part where oats contain gluten. they don't.
nice try, dr. hyman.
Oats do contain a type of gluten that some people with gluten sensitivity or Celiac Disease react to. It is not the exact same gluten protein as wheat, barley, and rye. Also, oats are contaminated with gluten from processing 90% of the time so they still aren't usually safe.0 -
If grains are so terrible, then why are there so many countries around the world that rely on grains as their staple diet, that are healthier than the US? Grains aren't evil, and cherry picking data to try and say they are is silly.
As for gluten, some people have gluten intolerances OR celiac. I say or because they are two completely different things. For everyone else that doesn't have either of these conditions, grains are perfectly fine.
It's like sugar, a person with diabetes needs to cut out sugar, but a healthy person can eat 10 bags of M&M's a day with no ill effect (well, other than the massive energy spike and crash, and probable weight gain from a caloric surplus.)0
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