Explaining what "Skinny Fat" is

NightOwl1
NightOwl1 Posts: 881 Member
I've seen a lot of talk on the boards lately about the term "skinny fat" and if it's something to be desired, not desired, etc. I've seen on these threads that a lot of people have mentioned they didn't know what skinny fat meant, and there was a lot of misrepresentation among those who thought they did know. I thought I'd take some time to explain the term and how it effects overall health.

To understand what skinny fat is, you first have to understand how we measure obesity. There are two ways that weight and fat are commonly measured. The first is the BMI index, and the second is Body Fat Percentage. The BMI index, which is most commonly used, is a measure of WEIGHT, not of FAT. The BMI is a ranged index that takes in account someone's weight relative to their height, and gives it a score. A BMI score of 18.5-24.9 is considered a healthy weight range, while 25-30 is considered overweight, and 30+ is considered obese. Please note that BMi is a score, it's not a percentage. BMI is primarily used as a tool to look at the obesity levels in wide sections of populations (for example, the percentage of Americans that are overweight, or the percentage of a certain race or ethnic group), since it is simple to calculate and a general effective way of identifying people who also have an obese level of fat. Approximately 80% of people who are over BMI also have an obese level of Body Fat. This is why it's a good general indicator of health for measuring large cross-sections of people. However, as mentioned before, it is a measure of weight, not fat, so it has it's limitations when applied to individuals.

The second way we measure fat is through a person's Body Fat Percentage. BF% is the percent of a person's total weight that is made up by fat deposits. BF% is a harder number to measure than BMI, as to be measured effectively, it usually needs to be done by either calipers or by someone who can professionally measure them for you. You can also measure BF% by using special scales or online calculators, but the accuracy of those methods are questionable. Overall, BF% is a far better indicator of healthy levels of fat than BMI, as it actually measures fat, and not just weight. What is considered a healthy level of BF% is different for men and women, as women have a naturally higher BF% than men. The below chart defines what BF% levels are considered as fit, average, and obese for both men and women.

Description Women Men
Essential fat 10–13% 2–5%
Athletes 14–20% 6–13%
Fitness 21–24% 14–17%
Average 25–31% 18–24%
Obese 32%+ 25%+

An obese level of body fat is considered 32% or higher in women and 25% or higher in men. Having an obese level of body fat, regardless of your weight, is an indication that you are a higher risk for weight associated health problems. Regardless of your BMI, you want to try to avoid being in the obese category of BF% percentage.

So what is "skinny fat?" As I mentioned before, BMI is accurate for most people in diagnosing a healthy or unhealthy level of fat. The majority of people who have an overweight BMI, have an obese BF%, and the majority of people with an average BMI have an average BF% or lower. However, BMI doesn't take into account two groups of people. The first are athletes, who have and undesirable BMI but a desirable BF%. The second group are people with a average BMI but an obese level of BF%. This second group is the group of people defined as "skinny fat". So to put it simply, skinny fat is having a normal BMI but an obese level of BF%. Studies have found that approximately 29% of people with average BMI fall into the "skinny fat" definition.

Skinny fat is not healthy. Despite having a regular weight, skinny fat people are at higher risk for the health effects associated with being overweight. So how do people get skinny fat? A large number of people get who lose weight in unhealthy ways through VLCD diets, starvation mode, or quick fix dieting. When we lose weight, a certain percentage of our loss is muscle, while the rest is fat. The most desirable type of weight loss is that which the loss of muscle is low and the loss of fat is high. People who diet unhealthily tend to lose a much higher percentage of muscle and a lower percentage of fat than those who diet healthily. So unhealthy dieters see the scale going down, and think that they are winning the battle, when in reality, what they are seeing is largely due to a loss in muscle. When they reach an average weight, they have a less than average amount of muscle, and a higher amount of body fat, leaving them as skinny fat.

Skinny fat is never something that should be desired. If you do not want to be muscular, but would rather have an average percentage of body fat and an average BMI, then you don't aspire to be skinny fat, you aspire to be healthy. There is a big difference between the two.

So this ends my very long description of what being skinny fat is. I hope it's helped some people get a better understanding of the concept.
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  • thankyou for explaining this, as i was a little confused. and now thinking i should be doing some sort of strength training??
  • NightOwl1
    NightOwl1 Posts: 881 Member
    thankyou for explaining this, as i was a little confused. and now thinking i should be doing some sort of strength training??

    I recommend that everyone incorporate some form of strength training as part of their weight loss plan. Contrary to popular belief, it won't prevent weight loss, but it will help prevent muscle loss during weight loss.
  • :bigsmile: Strength training is ideal for anyone who wishes to lose weight. As Night Owl very well posted first, muscle is essential for a healthy BMI and body fat %. If you are on a routine that only includes cardio exercises you are losing fat but you might be also losing muscle mass in the form of water weight because muscles retain a lot of water. By adding a strength training routine you make sure that your water levels and muscle mass remain about the same through the entire weight loss program and you ensure that the weight that you're losing is just body fat.

    I am gonna use myself for an example. I started at 205 pounds with a body fat % of 27%. My routine included a 1500 calorie a day diet (which I drop down to 1200 once my BMR decreased) a 30 minute cardio exercise and a 30 minute weight training session. I am now happy to say that my weight is 152 pounds and my body fat % is only 14.4%.

    Also remember that the larger the muscle mass, the better your metabolism will be in burning calories.

    According to the BMI index i am healthy and from the body fat % i am close to being an athlete!
  • Ashlea_M
    Ashlea_M Posts: 165 Member
    I have a friend who is skinny fat and she gives me a lot of crap for being obese. She was obese as a child and then developed anorexia as a teenager and is now a skinny fat adult who just sits on the exercise bike a few times a week. I strength train and and swim and my arms are stronger and firmer than hers, it might take me longer but when I get to her BMI range I'll be healthier. Strength training is awesome- i love having muscle :)
  • patricia909
    patricia909 Posts: 205 Member
    bump
  • HealthyBodySickMind
    HealthyBodySickMind Posts: 1,207 Member
    I kept hearing this term thrown around, and at the very least it made me take a better look at body composition. I'm rather new to the wider world of "fitness" (although I've always been fit), and I think it's important for me to look into these things.

    NightOwl, I've read numerous of descriptions/discussions of the concept of "skinny fat" complete with pictures to illustrate various points, but yours was the first one that went into *how* people become skinny fat. I think that's a very important part of the description.
  • jhardenbergh
    jhardenbergh Posts: 1,035 Member
    Yes, I am in the 20%, Obese BMI of 30.7 with an average Body Fat% of 20%. Or in layman's terms, Obese but healthy. I will roll with that.
  • heresmyinsidevoice
    heresmyinsidevoice Posts: 311 Member
    I just had a rant about this whole "skinny fat" thing to my MFPeeps...but then I found out that despite what I thought, I calculated my body fat percentage and I fall in the "Fitness" category at 23.4%. I've been doing a balance of cardio and weights for a few weeks now, and I hope to get out of this category one day. For now though, I still have little love handles and some cellulite on the backs of my thighs. But since working out regularly and properly, my moods are getting better and I am genuinely feeling the health benefits. So, for now, I'm me. I'm healthy, and I'm not sedentary. I guess I can only be the best me I can be.
  • Jess5825
    Jess5825 Posts: 228
    Thank you. I kept seeing the term but really wasn't sure what it exactly was.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    I have a friend who is skinny fat and she gives me a lot of crap for being obese. She was obese as a child and then developed anorexia as a teenager and is now a skinny fat adult who just sits on the exercise bike a few times a week. I strength train and and swim and my arms are stronger and firmer than hers, it might take me longer but when I get to her BMI range I'll be healthier. Strength training is awesome- i love having muscle :)

    Minus the anorexia part, almost all of my female friends are the same. They're concerned purely about their looks, and don't care how they get there. Usually, they're wanting a quick-fix, or an easy way out--minimal exercise, but with extreme results. Most of which don't work anyway, but it doesn't stop them from trying. Simply buying any process garbage you can find that says "non-fat" or "low-fat" or "diet" while not exercising and aspiring only to "look good" will most likely not get you anywhere long-term, and I wish they'd understand that. They will be, as this thread states, skinny fat, with health problems.
  • piebird79
    piebird79 Posts: 201 Member
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  • BUMP~ want to read later~ thanks for explaining!
  • carrie_eggo
    carrie_eggo Posts: 1,396 Member
    Great post!
  • SimplyShanRunning
    SimplyShanRunning Posts: 885 Member
    Can I get the Cliffs Notes version?
  • NightOwl1
    NightOwl1 Posts: 881 Member
    Can I get the Cliffs Notes version?

    Cliff Notes version is that Skinny Fat is when you have a BMI that is considered average and a body fat percentage that is considered obese.
  • sassylilmama
    sassylilmama Posts: 1,493 Member
    So basically Skinny Fat means you look skinny but have the health stats of a fat person?
  • jhardenbergh
    jhardenbergh Posts: 1,035 Member
    So basically Skinny Fat means you look skinny but have the health stats of a fat person?

    Not really, some fat people or people with a high BMI can still have healthy stats.
  • debussyschild
    debussyschild Posts: 804 Member
    This topic HAS been debated for a while. Glad someone broke it down to explain it to people that skinny fat is a lot less desirable than it may seem at first glance.

    Not only is skinny fat bad because of the high percentages of body fat in relation to overall lower body mass and weight, it is also bad because we don't just pack that fat onto our BONES. We pack it onto our VITAL ORGANS. If you thought only those suffering from morbid obesity could fall victim to fatty liver and other serious health problems caused by fatty organs, think again. Visceral fat cannot be seen from the surface, thus it doesn't produce a physical aesthetic that is displeasing to the eye. However, it is very unhealthy.

    I used to think that if I just ate the right things and stayed under my calorie goal, that I'd lose weight and be okay with whatever happened to my body as long as I saw the scale go down. After learning about the real adverse health effects of true skinny fatness, I don't want to be anything but fit.
  • jhardenbergh
    jhardenbergh Posts: 1,035 Member
    It's a skinny person by BMI standards with a higher than average body fat% or depending on gender over 30% for women and 25% for men.
  • sassylilmama
    sassylilmama Posts: 1,493 Member
    So basically Skinny Fat means you look skinny but have the health stats of a fat person?

    Not really, some fat people or people with a high BMI can still have healthy stats.

    Got it
  • debussyschild
    debussyschild Posts: 804 Member
    So basically Skinny Fat means you look skinny but have the health stats of a fat person?

    Not really, some fat people or people with a high BMI can still have healthy stats.

    My current BMI would have you believe that I am obese. I have to disagree, considering how much muscle I KNOW and can SEE that I have. The body mass index is antiquated and obsolete. It's a highly discriminatory and inaccurate gauge of the alleged healthfulness of someone's weight versus their height.
  • debussyschild
    debussyschild Posts: 804 Member
    thankyou for explaining this, as i was a little confused. and now thinking i should be doing some sort of strength training??

    I recommend that everyone incorporate some form of strength training as part of their weight loss plan. Contrary to popular belief, it won't prevent weight loss, but it will help prevent muscle loss during weight loss.

    YES YES AND YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:love::love: :love: :love: :love:
  • NightOwl1
    NightOwl1 Posts: 881 Member
    So basically Skinny Fat means you look skinny but have the health stats of a fat person?

    Not really, some fat people or people with a high BMI can still have healthy stats.

    My current BMI would have you believe that I am obese. I have to disagree, considering how much muscle I KNOW and can SEE that I have. The body mass index is antiquated and obsolete. It's a highly discriminatory and inaccurate gauge of the alleged healthfulness of someone's weight versus their height.

    Like I said in the post, BMI is really best used for measuring large groups of people, because it's easy to calculate and accurate enough that it works for defining groups of people. It's accurate about 80% of the time on an individual basis. That certainly means that some people are Overweight or Obese according to BMI but have healthy levels of body fat.
  • jhardenbergh
    jhardenbergh Posts: 1,035 Member
    So basically Skinny Fat means you look skinny but have the health stats of a fat person?

    Not really, some fat people or people with a high BMI can still have healthy stats.

    My current BMI would have you believe that I am obese. I have to disagree, considering how much muscle I KNOW and can SEE that I have. The body mass index is antiquated and obsolete. It's a highly discriminatory and inaccurate gauge of the alleged healthfulness of someone's weight versus their height.

    I think we are saying the same thing. Just wording it differently. I am the same as you, I am considered Obese by that BMI chart, but overall healthy with a Body Fat of 20%. I was referring to Skinny fat as someone who is the exact opposite of that. Someone who has a low BMI, with a higher than average Body fat. The thing that sucks for me is if I could get the loose skin removed I would be average on the BMI scale with a body fat of 10%
  • fiberartist219
    fiberartist219 Posts: 1,865 Member
    I've been skinny skinny before....I had little muscle or fat and that sucked. I am planning on adding in some muscle this time, but I need to figure out how not to get so sore when I do it. I really want to build muscle, but I need to try not to hurt myself so much in the process.
  • NightOwl1
    NightOwl1 Posts: 881 Member
    I've been skinny skinny before....I had little muscle or fat and that sucked. I am planning on adding in some muscle this time, but I need to figure out how not to get so sore when I do it. I really want to build muscle, but I need to try not to hurt myself so much in the process.

    Being sore is a necessary part of the muscle building process, and it doesn't mean that you're doing it wrong. It's very different from injuring yourself. The soreness does go down the longer you exercise. What are you concerned about with being sore?
  • HealthyBodySickMind
    HealthyBodySickMind Posts: 1,207 Member
    I've been skinny skinny before....I had little muscle or fat and that sucked. I am planning on adding in some muscle this time, but I need to figure out how not to get so sore when I do it. I really want to build muscle, but I need to try not to hurt myself so much in the process.

    I personally like that next-two-day soreness, lets me know I've done something.
  • Silverkittycat
    Silverkittycat Posts: 1,997 Member
    NightOwl, you might enjoy this. Check out the video of a 38 year old, 300+ pound 30+ BF% woman working hard and lifting heavy!
    Skinny-Fat and Moral Panic
    MAY 17

    If you haven’t heard this let me fill you in: “Skinnyfat” is a term used to describe people who are thin but not healthy – they may lack muscle tone, be sedentary, have poor eating habits, be genetically unhealthy etc.

    Looking further into the use of this word you can see how incredibly gendered the whole situation is by seeing the bodies that are primarily targeted. There are no famous men whose names have been drug into the debate but people like Nicole Richie, Gwyneth Paltrow and other female entertainers who look skinny but have a “high” percentage of body fat.

    The Today Show taped a segment back in October about the new “phenomenon” where they measured women who fall into a “normal” BMI and found their percentage of body fat. Throughout the whole segment, the behaviors of being health eating well and exercising were discussed but those were not used as indicators of good health. They used the level of body fat, in the one women discussed she had 27%, and indicated that it was cause for concern. This was yet again another discussion based within the moral panic of fat, not actually talking about the health effects of not eating well or exercising but labeling fat as bad.

    The discussion could have been positive if they had only talked about habits over body composition. If they talked about the fact that body size is not an indicator of good health this could have been a positive discussion because it would of discussed the things that fat activism has been saying all along, that habits matter not size. Instead what it actually appears to be doing is creating more panic about fat in bodies when there doesn’t need to be. But what actually brought me to looking more into this subject was not Regan’s post but a friend who directed me to a post made by the gym CrossFit (their South Bay, CA location to be exact.)

    For those of you who are not aware of this gym, I would personally categorize it as a high intensity, ultra expensive (monthly dues average $150) gym that caters to people who are very athletic or want to be. I do think that their team mentality can be very motivating but as someone who sees the way this kind of gym could be not accessible to all people of ability and income as well as a potentially bad environment for someone with an eating disorder (their post is a great example of this), I would never join this gym.

    This is where the CrossFit article comes in, the premise that they are trying to put across is that CF is for all women and that they get a lot of questions from potential members who are scared that they will “bulk up” if they join. They explain that they will actually gain what they consider to be a “lean toned body”, with a low body level of body fat.

    I would disagree with their definition of toned, as it actually has more to do with the state or condition of the muscle, not the appearance of it under the skin. Basically you can tone your muscle without being able to see it (See video below)

    This is not a response that I would be surprised to get if I was a trainer, sadly the way female beauty ideals dictate that women be waif thin without any apparent muscle tone is a reality.

    What really stuck out to me was the body shaming that then ensued near the middle of the article where they compared the body of a crossfitter and a model, which the author said both had a body fat percentage between 12-15%. I’m not sure if CF strives for all of their members to get to this low of a percentage but it is extremely low. After reading this article I reached out to fellow blogger Ashley Solomon Psy. D, a therapist who specializes in the treatment of eating disorders, body image, trauma, and serious mental illness. ( <– Totally stole that from her site…Thanks Ashley!) She blogs at Nourishing-the-Soul.com

    When asked about what levels of body fat is a cause for concern and the health consequences of it, this was her response,
    "I always hesitate to indicate a certain number as too high or too low due to the fact that each individual’s body is very different. In a room of ten people with the same body fat percentage, you could find ten different weights, shapes, and health statuses. That said, for women I would consider 14% to be very low. It could be healthy for a very active woman, one we would consider an athlete. But that would be the low end for an athlete, in my opinion. Again, this is not to say that someone lower (or much, much higher) would be unhealthy per se, but this would definitely be concerning.

    The 12-14% you mention is the essential body fat, what would be minimally required for functioning. At low body fat percentage, a woman will stop menstruating (some say at lower than 17%), as you said, and runs the risk of losing bone density. Hormone production decreases and immune functioning decreases as well, making one more vulnerable to illness. One could be weak and fatigued easily and have difficulty recovering from illness and injury."

    What has always been a cause for concern over CF is the fact that it is such an intense experience, creating the very place where female athletes could fall into a pattern of extreme exercising and dieting. Contributing to this concern was the articles further body shaming of fat bodies by assuming that someone with 30% body fat or above has no muscle mass at all and all I have to do is show you this video below to show you that is completely false.

    http://youtu.be/YVVzgtp0_to


    Aside from that, either person the model or the athlete has the possibility to have health consequences, it doesn’t matter if you have muscle mass or not, having that low of a body fat percentage is cause for concern. Proving even further that bodies, skinny, “athletic” or fat can be healthy or unhealthy it’s all about each individual person not the way their body appears on the outside.

    The use of the term skinny-fat yet again creates an even more stringent and small window where bodies must be within to be considered morally sound and sadly, CrossFit appears to be just another gym that not only is contributing to this moral panic but trying to profit from it as well.

    Note: I have not found any place that CrossFit specifically recommended that low body fat is required for good health, but some places have. Making this whole use of the term skinny-fat even more scary and potentially hazardous.

    *wow, the author really bashes CrossFit. Sorry about that. :ohwell:
  • chevy88grl
    chevy88grl Posts: 3,937 Member
    First off, thank you for explaining "skinny fat". It is confusing and I've read and heard so many different descriptions - a lot of which were confusing to understand. So, thank you.

    I've actually been kind of worried lately that I fell into the "skinny fat" category based on what I've read about it. But, my BMI and my body fat percentage fall right in the middle of "normal" for my height.
  • debussyschild
    debussyschild Posts: 804 Member
    So basically Skinny Fat means you look skinny but have the health stats of a fat person?

    Not really, some fat people or people with a high BMI can still have healthy stats.

    My current BMI would have you believe that I am obese. I have to disagree, considering how much muscle I KNOW and can SEE that I have. The body mass index is antiquated and obsolete. It's a highly discriminatory and inaccurate gauge of the alleged healthfulness of someone's weight versus their height.

    I think we are saying the same thing. Just wording it differently. I am the same as you, I am considered Obese by that BMI chart, but overall healthy with a Body Fat of 20%. I was referring to Skinny fat as someone who is the exact opposite of that. Someone who has a low BMI, with a higher than average Body fat. The thing that sucks for me is if I could get the loose skin removed I would be average on the BMI scale with a body fat of 10%

    Agreed :drinker:
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