A great way to tell if a diary is full of crap

Lozze
Lozze Posts: 1,917 Member
It tell you not to eat fruit!

Fruit is awesome and is such a wonderful fuel to feed your body with. It might have high sugar (fructose which is much better than normal sugar) but this is HEALTHY sugar. And we do need sugar to function.
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  • wildestian
    wildestian Posts: 188 Member
    Agreed, I stopped tracking sugar for that reason, I wish we could track fructose and refined sugar separately.
    I eat a fruit salad everyday (banana, papaya, watermelon and melon yumm!), and with that only I'm over my sugar for the rest of the day.
  • KayteeBear
    KayteeBear Posts: 1,040 Member
    Agree. I don't care how high fruit can be in sugar, I still like to eat it and think it has enough good stuff to outweigh the natural sugars. I've got more things to avoid than fruit (aka things full of salt and trans fat, etc)
  • Lozze
    Lozze Posts: 1,917 Member
    Also that's clearly meant to read 'diet is full of crap' but typed diary for some reason!
  • LRH64
    LRH64 Posts: 199 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.
  • Lyadeia
    Lyadeia Posts: 4,603 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    Show me a candy bar with the same nutritional content as a fresh piece of fruit down to the fiber, and I might agree with you.
  • queenpushycat
    queenpushycat Posts: 762 Member
    i am juice girl... i always drink vegetable and fruit juice in the morning.. does that mean i'm sugar overloaded? lol
  • Saruman_w
    Saruman_w Posts: 1,531 Member
    Yea, my sugar is high almost everyday but ALL or most of my sugar comes from fruit. So I pretty much ignore it
  • curiositycat
    curiositycat Posts: 111 Member
    Actually, fructose doesn't spike one's insulin the way other types of sugar do.
  • kyrstensmom
    kyrstensmom Posts: 297 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    Show me a candy bar with the same nutritional content as a fresh piece of fruit down to the fiber, and I might agree with you.

    This. Its true that your body doesn't know the difference between one sugar and another (at least not that they have proven), but the benefits of fruit (fiber, vitamins) outweigh the sugar, unless you have a medical condition that dictates otherwise. The same cannot be said for a Milky Way.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    The benefits of fruit strongly out-weigh the negatives of the small amount of fructose they contain. However: you should be aware of a few things about fructose. Fructose in small quantities is fine because it's metabolized by the liver and doesn't spike insulin. However, in larger quantities, like the type you get in foods with high fructose corn syrup added, it's converted directly into fat. So avoid any foods with lots of added high fructose corn syrup like the plague.
  • Articeluvsmemphis
    Articeluvsmemphis Posts: 1,987 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    I never worried much about fruit sugar at all. This is how it was explained to me, and makes great sense.

    Sugar from let's say a Banana (I LOVE THESE :) = Around the sugar molecule are pieces of fiber and other nutrients. The sugar doesn't start to break down until it gets almost out of your intestine and then you pee/poop it out :) Nice right?

    Processed Sugar from let's say white bread = The sugar starts to break down right in the saliva because there's nothing around it like the fiber/nutrients in fruit. It spikes your insulin and sends you energy for a while but then it makes you want more carbohydrates.

    Hope this makes sense.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    Actually, fructose doesn't spike one's insulin the way other types of sugar do.

    No, but for some reason it appears to be much worse for insulin sensitivity than normal cane sugar. It's not completely understood yet, but everybody agrees that high fructose corn syrup is awful for you.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    That's wrong. Please tell me you didn't actually believe the commercials on TV that say that?
  • live4turns
    live4turns Posts: 314 Member
    Fruit sugar is nutritionally better than refined sugar. Refined sugar (and most refined foods) are stripped of their nutritional value and are only calorie-dense for their weight. Natural is always better and overall, refined foods should be kept to a minimum.
  • EricNCSU
    EricNCSU Posts: 699 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    This is true ..... AFTER digestion. But the way the body breaks things down differs GREATLY. (I am a food scientist).
  • EricNCSU
    EricNCSU Posts: 699 Member
    Actually, fructose doesn't spike one's insulin the way other types of sugar do.

    No, but for some reason it appears to be much worse for insulin sensitivity than normal cane sugar. It's not completely understood yet, but everybody agrees that high fructose corn syrup is awful for you.

    This is also not true.

    "high" fructose corn syrup is exact 50/50 fructose/sucrose and is absolutely no different than glucose (table sugar)... the reason is it called that is because natural corn syrup is only 30 or so % Fructose.

    No one eats the 100% fructose (not even from fruits) in high enough levels to effect their blood sugars. Read the research before you quote it....
  • Lleldiranne
    Lleldiranne Posts: 5,516 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    Actually not quite true. Fruits eaten whole have other chemicals in them that tell the body what to do with the sugars. Candy doesn't. So fruit doesn't have that negative impact on your blood sugar nearly as much as candy. And, as another poster said, it has TONS of nutrients that can't always be reproduced by your multivitamin. Phytochemicals.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    This is true ..... AFTER digestion. But the way the body breaks things down differs GREATLY. (I am a food scientist).

    I'm not sure what you learned as a food scientist, or what that degree even means, but it's well known that fructose is metabolized differently AFTER digestion.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    Cox, C., Stanhope, K., et al. Consumption of Fructose-Sweetened Beverages for 10 Weeks Reduces Net Fat Oxidation and Energy Expenditure in Overweight/Obese Men and Women. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. September 2011. Published Ahead of Print.

    Abstract

    Background/Objectives:The results of short-term studies in humans suggest that, compared with glucose, acute consumption of fructose leads to increased postprandial energy expenditure and carbohydrate oxidation and decreased postprandial fat oxidation. The objective of this study was to determine the potential effects of increased fructose consumption compared with isocaloric glucose consumption on substrate utilization and energy expenditure following sustained consumption and under energy-balanced conditions.Subjects/Methods:As part of a parallel arm study, overweight/obese male and female subjects, 40-72 years, consumed glucose- or fructose-sweetened beverages providing 25% of energy requirements for 10 weeks. Energy expenditure and substrate utilization were assessed using indirect calorimetry at baseline and during the 10th week of intervention.Results:Consumption of fructose, but not glucose, led to significant decreases of net postprandial fat oxidation and significant increases of net postprandial carbohydrate oxidation (P<0.0001 for both). Resting energy expenditure (REE) decreased significantly from baseline values in subjects consuming fructose (P=0.031) but not in those consuming glucose.Conclusions:Increased consumption of fructose for 10 weeks leads to marked changes of postprandial substrate utilization including a significant reduction of net fat oxidation. In addition, we report that REE is reduced compared with baseline values in subjects consuming fructose-sweetened beverages for 10 weeks.European Journal of Clinical Nutrition advance online publication, 28 September 2011; doi:10.1038/ejcn.2011.159.





    Consuming fructose-sweetened, not glucose-sweetened, beverages increases visceral adiposity and lipids and decreases insulin sensitivity in overweight/obese humans.
    Stanhope KL, Schwarz JM, Keim NL, Griffen SC, Bremer AA, Graham JL, Hatcher B, Cox CL, Dyachenko A, Zhang W, McGahan JP, Seibert A, Krauss RM, Chiu S, Schaefer EJ, Ai M, Otokozawa S, Nakajima K, Nakano T, Beysen C, Hellerstein MK, Berglund L, Havel PJ.
    Source

    Department of Molecular Biosciences, UCD, Davis, California 95616, USA.
    Abstract

    Studies in animals have documented that, compared with glucose, dietary fructose induces dyslipidemia and insulin resistance. To assess the relative effects of these dietary sugars during sustained consumption in humans, overweight and obese subjects consumed glucose- or fructose-sweetened beverages providing 25% of energy requirements for 10 weeks. Although both groups exhibited similar weight gain during the intervention, visceral adipose volume was significantly increased only in subjects consuming fructose. Fasting plasma triglyceride concentrations increased by approximately 10% during 10 weeks of glucose consumption but not after fructose consumption. In contrast, hepatic de novo lipogenesis (DNL) and the 23-hour postprandial triglyceride AUC were increased specifically during fructose consumption. Similarly, markers of altered lipid metabolism and lipoprotein remodeling, including fasting apoB, LDL, small dense LDL, oxidized LDL, and postprandial concentrations of remnant-like particle-triglyceride and -cholesterol significantly increased during fructose but not glucose consumption. In addition, fasting plasma glucose and insulin levels increased and insulin sensitivity decreased in subjects consuming fructose but not in those consuming glucose. These data suggest that dietary fructose specifically increases DNL, promotes dyslipidemia, decreases insulin sensitivity, and increases visceral adiposity in overweight/obese adults.
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    And my inner-12-year-old just thinks, "If you eat lots of fruits and veggies, you won't be full of crap. High fiber content does a body good!"
  • olymp1a
    olymp1a Posts: 1,766 Member
    Actually, fructose doesn't spike one's insulin the way other types of sugar do.

    Exactly!
  • lessac
    lessac Posts: 105 Member
    Fruits yes, fruit juices no. The amount of sugar I may consume via juice is ridiculous at the cost of necessary fiber in my opinion so I try to eat as much as I can, just not drink it.
  • formersec
    formersec Posts: 233 Member
    Some years ago, a woman gave me heck when she saw me eating watermelon. I'm diabetic, and she told me her husband, also a diabetic, had been told not to eat really sweet fruits like melon. So I asked my doctor. He said any fruit, IN MODERATION, is fine. It's like anything else. Overeat anything, and you will gain weight or see your blood glucose spike. I eat 2-3 servings of ruit every day. My glucose readings are excellent and my A1C blood tests (for diabetics) are well within the normal range.

    Oh, and so far on MFP, I've lost 8 pounds in a month. I consider that to be pretty good.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    Cox, C., Stanhope, K., et al. Consumption of Fructose-Sweetened Beverages for 10 Weeks Reduces Net Fat Oxidation and Energy Expenditure in Overweight/Obese Men and Women. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. September 2011. Published Ahead of Print.

    UGH

    "Although examples of pure fructose causing metabolicupset at high concentrations abound, especially when fed asthe sole carbohydrate source, there is no evidence that thecommon fructose-glucose sweeteners do the same. Thus, studies using extreme carbohydrate diets may be useful for probing biochemical pathways, but they have no relevance to the human diet or to current consumption"

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/88/6/1716S.long
  • And my inner-12-year-old just thinks, "If you eat lots of fruits and veggies, you won't be full of crap. High fiber content does a body good!"

    agreed!
  • busterbluth
    busterbluth Posts: 115 Member
    I can't believe there are people who think eating fruit is a bad thing.

    Also: it's delicious.
  • ghiagirl893
    ghiagirl893 Posts: 69 Member
    I basically ate only fruit for a week this summer in Europe - lost a bunch of weight, felt awesome, skin loved it. Calories matter more. An apple will fill you up way more than a piece of candy and have way fewer calories.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    Disagree. Body recognizes three things - sugars, protein, and fat. Sugar is sugar no mátter where it comes from fruit, carbs
    or candy.

    You're nuts. It's CARBS, protein, and fat. Any type of carb can spike insulin. Tracking sugars separately is ill-conceived and a waste of time.
  • jsuaccounting
    jsuaccounting Posts: 189 Member
    Cox, C., Stanhope, K., et al. Consumption of Fructose-Sweetened Beverages for 10 Weeks Reduces Net Fat Oxidation and Energy Expenditure in Overweight/Obese Men and Women. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. September 2011. Published Ahead of Print.

    UGH

    "Although examples of pure fructose causing metabolicupset at high concentrations abound, especially when fed asthe sole carbohydrate source, there is no evidence that thecommon fructose-glucose sweeteners do the same. Thus, studies using extreme carbohydrate diets may be useful for probing biochemical pathways, but they have no relevance to the human diet or to current consumption"

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/88/6/1716S.long

    Thanks for the link, Ron. A good point.
  • Actually, fructose doesn't spike one's insulin the way other types of sugar do.

    No, but for some reason it appears to be much worse for insulin sensitivity than normal cane sugar. It's not completely understood yet, but everybody agrees that high fructose corn syrup is awful for you.

    This is also not true.

    "high" fructose corn syrup is exact 50/50 fructose/sucrose and is absolutely no different than glucose (table sugar)... the reason is it called that is because natural corn syrup is only 30 or so % Fructose.

    No one eats the 100% fructose (not even from fruits) in high enough levels to effect their blood sugars. Read the research before you quote it....

    I really hate to be a know it all and point this out because it's not super important, but I couldn't resist. For a food scientist you really screwed up your sugars. High fructose corn syrup is a mixture of fructose and GLUCOSE. SUCROSE (which is a disaccharide of fructose and glucose) is table sugar. HFCS is different in the way that there is no bond between the glucose and fructose like there is in table sugar.
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