PTs please help with terms
IronSmasher
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Here's an email I sent to my tutor, which he then edited to include his responses
Hello,
Just a couple of questions referring to my recent attempt at the Introduction to Exercise assignment. I'm concerned that I may be misunderstanding some points, which may lead to a failure in my final exam. I got a couple of the questions wrong, but I'll include quotations from your material to explain why I'm having problems.
Here's a quote from the Flexibility chapter:
"FLEXIBILITY is defined as the amount of movement available at a joint, or over a range of joints"
and the true or false question from the assignment:
"Flexibility is defined as the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion".
Now, the statement from the assignment, to me, is complete nonsense, so I selected false. I was marked as incorrect though. Please could you tell me if flexibility is a measurement of the range of motion available, or the ability to move.
Tutor:
Firstly, the statement is accurate and is not 'nonsense'. The course content is based on scientific fact and is well referenced. Your opinion has over-complicated the information. Flexibility should be considered as 'the amount of movement AVAILABLE...', as the course content says. The word 'available' means that the amount of movement is there whether performed actively (by the client) or passively (by an external force, such as a personal trainer). Therefore flexibility IS the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion.
Me again:
Also, the question stating that muscular conditioning needs to have a rep range of 12-15, would indicate that strength training is not conditioning. Please explain what the term conditioning means, as it seems to contradict my understanding. And my dictionary's definition.
Tutor:
Conditioning suggests that the client is de-conditioned at the time. In order to condition the muscles of a de-conditioned client, you should prescribe resistance training in the 12-15 repetition range to improve muscular strength and endurance. Once this has been achieved, the client would be regarded as 'conditioned' and they can now progress onto more advanced training phases to focus on hypertrophy (muscle growth) and strength. Strength training should not be embarked upon by anyone who is not all ready conditioned. Strength training is therefore not conditioning, although a muscle will be stronger once it is more conditioned.
Hello,
Just a couple of questions referring to my recent attempt at the Introduction to Exercise assignment. I'm concerned that I may be misunderstanding some points, which may lead to a failure in my final exam. I got a couple of the questions wrong, but I'll include quotations from your material to explain why I'm having problems.
Here's a quote from the Flexibility chapter:
"FLEXIBILITY is defined as the amount of movement available at a joint, or over a range of joints"
and the true or false question from the assignment:
"Flexibility is defined as the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion".
Now, the statement from the assignment, to me, is complete nonsense, so I selected false. I was marked as incorrect though. Please could you tell me if flexibility is a measurement of the range of motion available, or the ability to move.
Tutor:
Firstly, the statement is accurate and is not 'nonsense'. The course content is based on scientific fact and is well referenced. Your opinion has over-complicated the information. Flexibility should be considered as 'the amount of movement AVAILABLE...', as the course content says. The word 'available' means that the amount of movement is there whether performed actively (by the client) or passively (by an external force, such as a personal trainer). Therefore flexibility IS the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion.
Me again:
Also, the question stating that muscular conditioning needs to have a rep range of 12-15, would indicate that strength training is not conditioning. Please explain what the term conditioning means, as it seems to contradict my understanding. And my dictionary's definition.
Tutor:
Conditioning suggests that the client is de-conditioned at the time. In order to condition the muscles of a de-conditioned client, you should prescribe resistance training in the 12-15 repetition range to improve muscular strength and endurance. Once this has been achieved, the client would be regarded as 'conditioned' and they can now progress onto more advanced training phases to focus on hypertrophy (muscle growth) and strength. Strength training should not be embarked upon by anyone who is not all ready conditioned. Strength training is therefore not conditioning, although a muscle will be stronger once it is more conditioned.
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Here's an email I sent to my tutor, which he then edited to include his responses
Hello,
Just a couple of questions referring to my recent attempt at the Introduction to Exercise assignment. I'm concerned that I may be misunderstanding some points, which may lead to a failure in my final exam. I got a couple of the questions wrong, but I'll include quotations from your material to explain why I'm having problems.
Here's a quote from the Flexibility chapter:
"FLEXIBILITY is defined as the amount of movement available at a joint, or over a range of joints"
and the true or false question from the assignment:
"Flexibility is defined as the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion".
Now, the statement from the assignment, to me, is complete nonsense, so I selected false. I was marked as incorrect though. Please could you tell me if flexibility is a measurement of the range of motion available, or the ability to move.
Tutor:
Firstly, the statement is accurate and is not 'nonsense'. The course content is based on scientific fact and is well referenced. Your opinion has over-complicated the information. Flexibility should be considered as 'the amount of movement AVAILABLE...', as the course content says. The word 'available' means that the amount of movement is there whether performed actively (by the client) or passively (by an external force, such as a personal trainer). Therefore flexibility IS the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion.
Me again:
Also, the question stating that muscular conditioning needs to have a rep range of 12-15, would indicate that strength training is not conditioning. Please explain what the term conditioning means, as it seems to contradict my understanding. And my dictionary's definition.
Tutor:
Conditioning suggests that the client is de-conditioned at the time. In order to condition the muscles of a de-conditioned client, you should prescribe resistance training in the 12-15 repetition range to improve muscular strength and endurance. Once this has been achieved, the client would be regarded as 'conditioned' and they can now progress onto more advanced training phases to focus on hypertrophy (muscle growth) and strength. Strength training should not be embarked upon by anyone who is not all ready conditioned. Strength training is therefore not conditioning, although a muscle will be stronger once it is more conditioned.
Coming from a healthcare professional background of 14 years.. your tutor is correct.
If you break down the word "Flexibility", the ability to be flexible - that is the automatic answer right there if you break up "flex + ability"
The best way to described conditioned versus deconditioned I have a great example!
A patient who requires reconstrutive surgery to their knee, including reintegration of an artificial knee-cap.
After the surgery she will be considered DECONDITIONED: she has no flexibility due to the muscles being surgically altered and repaired to a complex joint that will always require the necessity of movement to walk, run, stretch, etc.
After usage of a CPM (Continuous Positive Movement) device under the care of a PT and/or a trained nurse, you are building up the muscle strength and tone of those surgically altered and repaired muscles to gain their flexibility back.... Once properly done, and the therapy has been declared successful, the patient is then deemed 'CONDITIONED'..The 12-15 repetitions is considered a standard in the books to be considered CONDITIONED....0 -
Here's a quote from the Flexibility chapter:
"FLEXIBILITY is defined as the amount of movement available at a joint, or over a range of joints"
and the true or false question from the assignment:
"Flexibility is defined as the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion".
Yeah, the instructor did a 'play' on words... its definitely a TRUE statement, not false at all.
Clinical definitions will have some variances if compared to a traditional Webster's dictionary....0 -
If I build a machine that moves joints through full ROM. The machine has flexibilty.
If the machine doesn't achieve full ROM with the corpse I've placed in it, it does not have flexibility.0 -
If I build a machine that moves joints through full ROM. The machine has flexibilty.
If the machine doesn't achieve full ROM with the corpse I've placed in it, it does not have flexibility.
But your tutor did not reference the machine.... when you determine flexibility, that is of the patient you are treating.
Flexibility WITH assistance (whether it is you or a CPM, as an example), that is on the patient still
Flexibility WITHOUT assistance (no aid from you or anything artificial), that is on the patient still, as well....
How serious are you in taking your courses, because if you are referring to potential patients as CORPSES, you are obviously going into the WRONG field...0 -
Tutor:
Conditioning suggests that the client is de-conditioned at the time. In order to condition the muscles of a de-conditioned client, you should prescribe resistance training in the 12-15 repetition range to improve muscular strength and endurance. Once this has been achieved, the client would be regarded as 'conditioned' and they can now progress onto more advanced training phases to focus on hypertrophy (muscle growth) and strength. Strength training should not be embarked upon by anyone who is not all ready conditioned. Strength training is therefore not conditioning, although a muscle will be stronger once it is more conditioned.
"Conditioning suggests that THE CLIENT......" - that right there clearly defines where the term "CONDITIONING" is applied to... DECONDITIONED is the client as well...
Just need to learn to read this clearly...0 -
Tutor:
Conditioning suggests that the client is de-conditioned at the time. In order to condition the muscles of a de-conditioned client, you should prescribe resistance training in the 12-15 repetition range to improve muscular strength and endurance. Once this has been achieved, the client would be regarded as 'conditioned' and they can now progress onto more advanced training phases to focus on hypertrophy (muscle growth) and strength. Strength training should not be embarked upon by anyone who is not all ready conditioned. Strength training is therefore not conditioning, although a muscle will be stronger once it is more conditioned.
"Conditioning suggests that THE CLIENT......" - that right there clearly defines where the term "CONDITIONING" is applied to... DECONDITIONED is the client as well...
Just need to learn to read this clearly...
Yes, you do. There are two questions, one on flexibility, one on conditioning.
He also references en external force regarding flexibility, hence my machine comment.
He also says the ability to move a joint is the definition. The source is not mentioned0 -
" Strength training is therefore not conditioning, although a muscle will be stronger once it is more conditioned."
That line there, that he finished with, is convincing me to get my head down, get qualified, and start trying to introduce some sense into this industry.0 -
I think there is a difference in emphasis and slight difference in meaning between the textbook (as quoted here) and the test statement. I don't know enough about physiology to know whether the tutor or the book is right, but it might be nice to have some consistency?
I think this statement from *any* tutor is very worrying: "Your opinion has over-complicated the information." Apart from it being a grammatical nightmare, the tutor also appears to be suggesting that thinking things through 'over-complicates' issues....
That said, I'd be inclined to just let this slide, IS, he's just going to dig his little heels in and there are far better battles to fight than this one.
cramer, may I ask what kind of health professional? (Just curious really... :-) )0 -
I think there is a difference in emphasis and slight difference in meaning between the textbook (as quoted here) and the test statement. I don't know enough about physiology to know whether the tutor or the book is right, but it might be nice to have some consistency?
I think this statement from *any* tutor is very worrying: "Your opinion has over-complicated the information." Apart from it being a grammatical nightmare, the tutor also appears to be suggesting that thinking things through 'over-complicates' issues....
That said, I'd be inclined to just let this slide, IS, he's just going to dig his little heels in and there are far better battles to fight than this one.
cramer, may I ask what kind of health professional? (Just curious really... :-) )
Meerkat, I agree with you. I am by no means an expert, but I think due to the wording the question is ambiguous. I would have probably answered 'true' - but only because I didn't think it through as thoroughly as IS did. The answer from the Tutor didn't impress me - but you (IS) do have to choose your battles if they will continue to mark your work - I say this as someone who had regular run ins with a Marketing lecturer years ago, it didn't do me any favours for a module I disliked anyway ;-)
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I can understand why the assignment question is open to confusion."FLEXIBILITY is defined as the amount of movement available at a joint, or over a range of joints"
and the true or false question from the assignment:
"Flexibility is defined as the ability to move muscles and joints through their full range of motion".
The text says that flexibility is a measurement - so you could have 2% or 10% or 100% flexibility.
The way the assignment is written it can be read as saying that flexibility is an absolute (full range of motion). So you could interpret it as saying that you're not flexible if you don't have a full range of motion. I'd hope that there are more course materials to define flexibility than just the first statement above, but the assignment is badly worded, IMO.
I agree with the other posters though. No point getting into an argument over this.0
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