HRM/weight lifting/accuracy

ddiestler
ddiestler Posts: 353 Member
edited October 7 in Fitness and Exercise
So, I decided today to put on my HRM while doing strength training just for the heck of it.. It said I burned 124 calories for the 30 minutes of circuit/weights I did.. I'm thinking, no way can that be possible.. Can it?

I've just incorporated weights into my cardio..so I don't know anything about it!

also, for those of you who lift...how long until you see results? I've also heard that weight/strength burns calories longer than cardio..thoughts?

Thanks for Info,
Dawn

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  • duckpond11
    duckpond11 Posts: 197 Member
    I think the HRM would only be accurate if you were doing circuit training and keeping your HR up for the entire session.

    As far as whether strength training burns calories longer, there are some studies that show this but before you get excited about it, it is really a negligible amount and most likely you are not going to be able to reap what little extra bit of calorie burning there is unless you are lifting heavy and are already well trained. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't do strength training - it will help you retain your lean body mass while you are on a calorie deficit and help keep your metabolism from lowering. Also, you'll look better when you get to your goal!
  • Beeps2011
    Beeps2011 Posts: 12,161 Member
    Read this:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/431684-pics-of-my-ginormous-man-muscles

    Then, on mfp, join the "women strength training" and "NROL4W" group - for information and support.
  • andrejjorje
    andrejjorje Posts: 497 Member
    As I heard from pros if every single set is done to failure or close then you burn 10cals/set. This no. is only informative because there are many many factors involved but it is a good one. In the case of 5 exercises 3 sets each you burn around 150 cals.
    So, I decided today to put on my HRM while doing strength training just for the heck of it.. It said I burned 124 calories for the 30 minutes of circuit/weights I did.. I'm thinking, no way can that be possible.. Can it?

    I've just incorporated weights into my cardio..so I don't know anything about it!

    also, for those of you who lift...how long until you see results? I've also heard that weight/strength burns calories longer than cardio..thoughts?

    Thanks for Info,
    Dawn
  • EricMurano
    EricMurano Posts: 825 Member
    During anaerobic exercise the heart rate goes up for reasons different to aerobic exercise. As a result HRMs do not give you an accurate calorie expenditure while lifting weights.
  • gsager
    gsager Posts: 977 Member
    I always wear my HRM, I have started logging my cardio warm up and my weight training together under strength training, meaning that I check my calories burned then and log it. Then I do whatever cardio I do after my strength training and log it as elliptical or bike or treadmill, what ever I use.
  • During anaerobic exercise the heart rate goes up for reasons different to aerobic exercise. As a result HRMs do not give you an accurate calorie expenditure while lifting weights.

    Can you provide a link to scientific proof of this? Of is it theory / hearsay?
  • I think the HRM would only be accurate if you were doing circuit training and keeping your HR up for the entire session.

    I don't agree with this. An HRM is designed to do one thing, and one thing only: READ YOUR HEART RATE. It doesn't make a decision on what type of activity you're engaged in to make your heart beat faster or slower. It simply measures that rate and reports it.
  • If HRM usage during weight training is indeed useless, then POLAR is making a killing off a worthless product. Check out one of their higher-end models, the FT80.

    http://www.polarusa.com/us-en/products/improve_fitness/fitness_crosstraining/FT80

    One of the features of this watch is to monitor your heart rate during recovery time between set of reps. Performing your sets/reps while in specific target zones maximizes the workout effort.

    Lots of interesting reading on the topic of Heart Rate based training here:

    http://www.polarusa.com/us-en/training_with_polar/training_articles/get_active

    Most simply stated, your heart rate is the most personal way to measure YOUR performance, at any time. No generalized charts, graphs, or formulas. Your heart rate indicates changes in your body due to health, stress, recovery from prior workouts, illness, etc that none of these other measurements take into account.

    Of course all this is only my humble opinion. I'm not a specialist, nor do I have any training in the area. It's simply what I have read, and what makes logical sense to me. Your milage may very, and I respect that :)
  • sidhe31
    sidhe31 Posts: 96
    I may be way off target here, but in my experience using a HRM in the weight room is unnecessary. The HRM isn't really geared to figure out calories burned during bursts of intense anaerobic effort. The algorithms aren't set up for purely anaerobic effort, which weight training is. The calorie burning component of weight training kicks in after the training sessions are completed, in regards to an increased muscle mass and a higher BMR (basal metabolic rate) required to maintain the increase in muscle mass.

    The HRM can be useful in ensuring that you are recovering between sets, a decrease in HR recover can be indicative of an increase in overall fitness.

    I did look for articles to support my position and was not able to find any that weren't written by a truly credible source. This doesn't mean that they don't exist, it simply means that my brief, 2 page Google search didn't return any articles written by a source that chose to use citations to proper articles to support their claims. What I'm going on are the memories of 12 years spent as an elite athlete who had to opportunity to train with Olympic level athletes and pick the brains of their trainers.
  • ddiestler
    ddiestler Posts: 353 Member
    Thanks for the replies.. I knew I was going to do a cardio workout when finished lifting weights thats the only reason I wore it then. I was just curious.. I see people logging exercise as house cleaning..I'm assuming they are wearing it during cleaning and counting those as exercise calories too.. which then seems odd to me..unless you are power cleaning..I doubt you could get your heart rate high enough doing that as well.. Hmmmmm
  • RahBuhBuh
    RahBuhBuh Posts: 585 Member
    I tried to find the link to what I read before I got my HRM. It seemed to be a well written, independent article that did not promote any specific brand. At any rate, it said that a HRM can be off by as much as 30%. Meaning if it says you burned 1000 calories, it is possible you only burned 700. Because of that, for the purpose of measuring my caloric intake and burn, I log half of what my HRM says. The heart rate monitor says I burned 700, I put in 350.

    I did find this article from LiveStrong
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/525657-can-you-tell-how-many-calories-you-burn-by-your-heart-rate/

    Here is an article from Spark People that argues against HRM accuracy
    http://www.sparkpeople.com/community/ask_the_experts.asp?q=75

    I would say the problem with that article is that it assumes that you are only doing strength training on isolated muscles. I think most of us here are working large and many muscle groups.

    And now for anecdotal evidence:
    I was just doing about 20 minutes of weights and then heavy cardio before I got the HRM. The number on the scale was gong down fairly steadily. At the beginning of the year I switched to heavy lifting using New Rules of Lifting and not much cardio. I am not losing weight as quickly as before but I can tell you that most of my pants are getting uncomfortably loose. I know I have lost weight size in my waist and rear and my belly seems to be a bit smaller.

    Hope that helps some.

    ETA: I found this and it looked like it might have some answers but it is lengthy and I started daydreaming about rainbows and shiny objects before I got anything out of it. :)
    http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article folder/caloricexp.html
  • susansil
    susansil Posts: 5 Member
    Monitoring your heart rate can be a useful tool, but it can also be a red herring. A monitor uses a formula to questimate calories burned by the number of times your heart beats. However, there are many factors that play into the number of times your heart beats during activity. For example, if it is warm, your heart will beat quicker in an attempt to regulate your body temperature. If you are tired or slightly dehydrated, your rate will be affected. So your heart rate may be a little higher but that doesn't mean you're actually putting out more effort. If you ever get a chance to cycle using a wattage meter, this is pretty evident. You can feel like you are working hard and your rate can be up, but you may actually be putting out less watts.
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