Muscles Weight More Than Fat ???

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  • infamousmk
    infamousmk Posts: 6,033 Member
    Does anyone actually think that a pound of anything weighs more than a pound of anything else? I mean, really. It's a POUND.
    Muscle weighs more than fat -- BY VOLUME!

    You have not discovered anything new but an old, absurd argument from the unlearned.
    Muscle is more dense, so BY VOLUME it weighs more.

    Fat takes up more VOLUME, because it is less dense.



    A gallon of muscle weighs more than a gallon of fat.

    Get it now?

    Volume and weight are two different measurement, though. This could really confuse people more than help, if you ask me... Yes, BY VOLUME, muscle will weigh more than fat ... but a pound of anything is the same IN WEIGHT as a pound of any thing else.

    Ten pounds of fat weighs the exact same as ten pounds of muscle. A POUND is A POUND.

    BY VOLUME a pound of fat will be larger than a pound of muscle (regardless of the vessel) .. but the statement "Muscle weighs more than fat" is misleading and confusing.

    I don't see why it is confusing - if someone says Feathers are lighter than steel, you'd know what they meant, so why don't people get it with muscle and fat?

    As far as I can see, nobody has said a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

    If it wasn't confusing to people, we wouldn't constantly have threads about it.
  • Beastette
    Beastette Posts: 1,497 Member
    Does anyone actually think that a pound of anything weighs more than a pound of anything else? I mean, really. It's a POUND.
    Muscle weighs more than fat -- BY VOLUME!

    You have not discovered anything new but an old, absurd argument from the unlearned.
    Muscle is more dense, so BY VOLUME it weighs more.

    Fat takes up more VOLUME, because it is less dense.

    A gallon of muscle weighs more than a gallon of fat.

    Get it now?

    Volume and weight are two different measurement, though. This could really confuse people more than help, if you ask me... Yes, BY VOLUME, muscle will weigh more than fat ... but a pound of anything is the same IN WEIGHT as a pound of any thing else.

    Ten pounds of fat weighs the exact same as ten pounds of muscle. A POUND is A POUND.

    BY VOLUME a pound of fat will be larger than a pound of muscle (regardless of the vessel) .. but the statement "Muscle weighs more than fat" is misleading and confusing.

    Finally. Someone speaks truth.

    Pounds are units of measurement for WEIGHT. Volume is a different concept entirely. The OP's question was answered.

    I hear a pound of fact weighs less than a pound of blather.
  • Sarahnats
    Sarahnats Posts: 69 Member
    Ok...i googled it and OMG ive lost 2 of those 5lb lumps of fat, whilst im so pleased with the loss,im also a wee bit grossed out by it too :)
  • MyCoachNYLA
    MyCoachNYLA Posts: 158 Member
    The pound for pound thing is correct.

    I think what that statement means is that if you get a square inch of muscle and a square inch of fat, the muscle will weigh more because of its denser nature. adipose tissue is loose, while muscle is packed.

    Hello and thanks. Just get more of that muscle and reduce some of that fat and things will be okay. LOL
  • Steven
    Steven Posts: 593 MFP Moderator
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  • Fubar_Bill
    Fubar_Bill Posts: 120 Member
    Okay, I have to add one little comment to this.

    The question of muscle weighing more than fat usually comes in because people trying to lose weight are afraid of gaining heavy muscle and being derailed by the results on the scale.

    I have to say that the effort required to build 1 pound of muscle will burn far more than 1 pound of fat.

    Not only that, but the more muscles the body has, the higher the metabolism. Effectively the body burns more fat the stronger it gets.

    Get fit and feel good. In the end that is all we are really talking about.
  • TourThePast
    TourThePast Posts: 1,753 Member
    Clearly, when people use the statement "Muscle Weighs More than Fat", they are referring to the fact that if someone

    1. Loses body fat
    2. Builds builds
    3. Stays the same size

    They would have increased their weight.

    While it is a statement that is open to misinterpretation, nobody on here to my knowledge has ever used the statement "Muscle Weighs More than Fat" in the context of hacking off part of their body and weighing it in pounds to use as a comparison, so please can we lose the 1lb = 1lb analogy because it's irrelevant and confusing to those who don't understand the apparently too complex idea of density and mass.
  • CaptainGordo
    CaptainGordo Posts: 4,437 Member
    In fact, before posting that a topic has been raised 1000 times, respondents should take a breath and close the window.

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    I'm not arguing with that - but seriously, if the same questions are being asked again and again and again, it clearly demonstrates that this site needs an official FAQ to assist new members.
    Agreed. There are many questions that can have conflicting opinions, but many (like this one) could be included in a helpful FAQ with brief yet concise explanations. I imagine that some members could even help to identify some good topics and resources for substantiating accurate responses. The FAQs could be stickified in each forum.
  • agthorn
    agthorn Posts: 1,844 Member
    In fact, before posting that a topic has been raised 1000 times, respondents should take a breath and close the window.

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    I'm not arguing with that - but seriously, if the same questions are being asked again and again and again, it clearly demonstrates that this site needs an official FAQ to assist new members.
    Some of them are answered here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/help But I only happened to stumble upon that a few days ago.
  • TourThePast
    TourThePast Posts: 1,753 Member
    Another that springs to mind is "What does NSV stand for?"

    (Answer for any new members reading this, it means Non Scale Victory, in other words a success that is not directly related to your weight as measured on scales.)
  • CaptainGordo
    CaptainGordo Posts: 4,437 Member
    Some of them are answered here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/help But I only happened to stumble upon that a few days ago.
    That is more geared toward the use of the site, rather than FAQs about nutrition, exercise, etc.

    I can understand the hesitancy to shy away from giving advice though, for liability reasons...
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  • Steven
    Steven Posts: 593 MFP Moderator
    if the same questions are being asked again and again and again, it clearly demonstrates that this site needs an official FAQ to assist new members.
    Agreed. There are many questions that can have conflicting opinions, but many (like this one) could be included in a helpful FAQ with brief yet concise explanations. I imagine that some members could even help to identify some good topics and resources for substantiating accurate responses. The FAQs could be stickified in each forum.
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    While the idea of an official FAQ is a good one, and something we'll take under consideration, it still is not a substitute for the friendships that can be made when veteran users answer a new user's question "live".
  • CaptainGordo
    CaptainGordo Posts: 4,437 Member
    While the idea of an official FAQ is a good one, and something we'll take under consideration, it still is not a substitute for the friendships that can be made when veteran users answer a new user's question "live".
    Interesting point.

    In the meantime, there are some fantastic answers to FAQs here, that members can use to help one another: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/457-unofficial-mfp-faq
  • CaptainGordo
    CaptainGordo Posts: 4,437 Member
    Even with an official FAQ, the questions will still come.

    It's up to us to handle them with respect or ignore them. I, along with lot of others, love to provide useful accurate info when we can. I've been the beneficiary of that kind of help in the past, and like to "pay it forward".
  • frechy
    frechy Posts: 1
    lol i think that is so true a lbs of fat weighs the same as a lbs of muscle the only difference is size think of this a lbs of fat is like popped popcorn and a lbs of muscle is like butter put them side by side and the difference is huge but a lbs is still a lbs no matter what it is.:happy:
  • KBGirts
    KBGirts Posts: 882 Member
    Muscle weighs more than fat per unit volume.

    People are leaving off the "per unit volume" rendering the statement incorrect. So if you have one square foot of muscle and one square foot of fat, the muscle weighs more. The muscle is more dense.... so people just say, muscle weighs more than fat. It's pretty simple.
  • TourThePast
    TourThePast Posts: 1,753 Member
    Muscle weighs more than fat per unit volume.

    People are leaving off the "per unit volume" rendering the statement incorrect. So if you have one square foot of muscle and one square foot of fat, the muscle weighs more. The muscle is more dense.... so people just say, muscle weighs more than fat. It's pretty simple.
    I wish my big fat bum was in square feet, unfortunately it can be measured in cubic feet. :bigsmile:
  • Z_I_L_L_A
    Z_I_L_L_A Posts: 2,399 Member
    Its not rocket science. Go back to the saying, someone came up with the saying because they didn't want to hurt their fat friend's feelings. " Oh honey, thats muscle weight not fat." and "You know muscle ways more honey" LMAO I can hear it now.
  • 12skipafew99100
    12skipafew99100 Posts: 1,669 Member
    I think its about volume.
    A pound of mashallow fluff takes up a lot more space than a pound of rock.
  • oneIT
    oneIT Posts: 388 Member
    I still don't get it?
  • cramernh
    cramernh Posts: 3,335 Member
    So I see this statement posted over and over again and I just have to question it. Why would you say that muscles weight more than fat? In my experience (and I could be very wrong), a pound is a pound is a pound. One pound of muscle is one pound. One pound of fat is one pound. Why would one be heavier than the other if you are thinking of it as a pound?

    Can someone enlighten me please? Thanks & have a healthy day! :wink:


    Yes...
    a pound is a pound is a pound is a pound...

    Fat DOES take more room though in its 1lb measurement. Lean muscle takes LESS room in its 1lb measurement...
  • ansonrinesmith
    ansonrinesmith Posts: 741 Member
    It's probably been covered, but I like to post so people know how smart I am :)

    What the statement means is certain volume of fat weighs less than that same volume of muscle.

    If you fill a 10 gallon bucket with fat, it may weigh 20 pounds while that same bucket of muscle would weigh 30 pounds (numbers not accurate, just for example).

    Long story short, you can stay the same weight or even gain, and become thinner.
  • Muscles and fat weigh the same, muscle is more dense than fat.
    The more muscle you have, the more fat you can burn!
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    Muscles and fat weigh the same, muscle is more dense than fat.
    The more muscle you have, the more fat you can burn!


    How Much Muscle, how much fat?

    You can't just say Muscle and fat weigh the same without a qualifying unit.

    A lb of fat weighs the same as a lb of anything else, but 10 cubic inches of muscle does weigh more than 10 cubic inches of fat.
  • ashjbarnhart
    ashjbarnhart Posts: 3 Member
    think of fat as being like a marshmallow and muscle as steak....a pound of marshmallow takes up 6xs the amount of space than a pound of steak.
  • rowdy47879
    rowdy47879 Posts: 9 Member
    This topic is the very reason why most doctors, trainers, etc also take measurements of certain areas of the body along with charting actual weight on the scale. Especially for women, who can notice substantial change in weight on the scale certain times of the month, the measurements will give a more accurate indication of progress. Both my doctor and trainer have advised me to base my progress more on how I fit in my clothes and the rate I go down in size of clothing rather than the numbers on the scale.
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    I'm so glad I saw this. I have been wondering about this for decades, and now I can finally learn the true answer!
  • ihern6334
    ihern6334 Posts: 41 Member
    So for us retarded people if you had a box that was 12x12x12 and you filled one box up with fat and you filled up the other box with muscle the muscle is going to weigh more.

    Yes, but if you filled the box up with fat, and weighed it, then put the same weight of muscle in it, it would not fill the box.

    So a body covered with muscle and a body covered with fat could weigh the same, but will look very very different.

    I guess this answers my question about how someone weighs almost the same as I do but has a totally different body than I do.
  • Steven
    Steven Posts: 593 MFP Moderator
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