Not to be Debbie Downer, but...

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  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,786 Member
    The ship's Captain, Francesco Schettino, was an idiot for trying to maneuver the ship close to shore, just to wave to a friend. That was a stupid move and I'm sure it was against the cruise lines policy, but.... when he abandoned ship, that was criminal. I hope they prosecute him to the full extent of the law. His stupidity and cowardice has taken many lives.
  • kmparks24
    kmparks24 Posts: 198 Member
    I couldn't agree with you more! I read this article and was just sick to my stomach...
  • lyssamichelle
    lyssamichelle Posts: 1,307 Member
    I've been watching that stuff on the news & weather channel.
    To be honest when I first heard about it, the only thing I thought was it's the Titanic all over again.. 100 years is getting close.. & I have this small thought in my head that history will always repeat itself.
    It really is horrible. It's funny he tried to defined himself. Blaming the ship's gears.. I find it hard to believe.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,786 Member
    Having done many stupid things in my life, I can allow that his intention was not malicious, but his position as Captain holds him to a very high standard. His stupidity has cost lifes, jeopardized Carnival Cruises (which couold affect many employees) and was in direct opposition to company policy.

    He is and should be charged with manslaughter.
  • La_Amazona
    La_Amazona Posts: 4,855 Member
    That is scary!!! I've been on 2 cruises and have always thought this was impossible (even though logically it's not).
  • EmCarroll1990
    EmCarroll1990 Posts: 2,830 Member
    He's being investigated for manslaughter and abandoning ship. Either way, intentional or not, he left his freaking ship a few hours before his crew and guests were even rescued.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    People keep comparing this to Titanic, but worst case scenario for this ship is 35 dead (11 confirmed, 24 missing). And it went down close to shore with help right there.

    Titanic went down in the middle of the ocean with help hours away and 1,500-plus deaths, mostly third-class passengers who were not allowed into life rafts because they were poor.

    This is bad. The captain ia pretty horrid and cowardly human being and SHOULD be charged. But this is not Titanic all over again.
  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
    Having done many stupid things in my life, I can allow that his intention was not malicious, but his position as Captain holds him to a very high standard. His stupidity has cost lifes, jeopardized Carnival Cruises (which couold affect many employees) and was in direct opposition to company policy.

    He is and should be charged with manslaughter.
    Agree with RoadDog. I'm sure the captain didn't want this to happen, but he is in a position of being responsible for people's lives and livelihoods (malicious intent would likely be a different charge).

    If the following is true, it seems pretty certain the captain will be held fully responsible:
    At a news conference today, Costa Cruises chief executive officer Pier Luigi Foschi said the ship's captain, Francesco Schettino, had made an unapproved, unauthorized maneuver to change the ship's programmed course.
  • dcjackson50
    dcjackson50 Posts: 196 Member
    Very sad,.....but unfortunately fault lies with Carnival as well, asthey opted to "skip" the evacuation and emergency drills until day 2 or 3 after leaving Rome, so that more passengers would be on then ,....and they wouldn't have to do it over for the newbies !!

    Companies have to ensure that policies are followed especially when safety is involved. Sounds like a lack of training here, and its a shame for Carnival who as far as i know had a good reputaion up till now. Im sure they will start enforcing much more seriously now.

    I also heard the captain claim that he was "catapulted" from his ship and didn't leave it. Not sure I believe that at all
  • TheDoctor90
    TheDoctor90 Posts: 461 Member
    Gross Neg Manslaughter.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I also heard the captain claim that he was "catapulted" from his ship and didn't leave it. Not sure I believe that at all

    I heard something on the radio news this morning that the Italian Coast Guard asked the captain to return to the ship and help evacuate and he refused.

    I may have that wrong because I turned it on in the middle of the story, but that's what it sounded like happened.
  • spicy618
    spicy618 Posts: 2,114 Member
    Having done many stupid things in my life, I can allow that his intention was not malicious, but his position as Captain holds him to a very high standard. His stupidity has cost lifes, jeopardized Carnival Cruises (which couold affect many employees) and was in direct opposition to company policy.

    He is and should be charged with manslaughter.

    I agree!!!

    BTW, Love the new pic! You have a beautiful family. :flowerforyou:
  • jmxxiiii
    jmxxiiii Posts: 231 Member
    There is also a huge flaw in personal accountability, the ship should have done life boat drills as it was on its way to sea, the passengers should have and should always try on their life jackets in their rooms to make sure that they fit, and they are in good condition, not assume that they are.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,786 Member
    A transcript of a conversation between Schettino and Capt. Gregorio De Falco of the Italian coast guard in Livorno, shows the coast guard official urgently commanding the captain to return to the cruise ship after he had abandoned it.

    "There are people trapped on board," De Falco said. "Now you go with your boat under the prow on the starboard side. There is a pilot ladder. You will climb that ladder and go on board. You go on board and then you will tell me how many people there are. Is that clear? I'm recording this conversation, Cmdr. Schettino ..."

    Schettino resisted returning to the ship, saying "I am here with the rescue boats, I am here, I am not going anywhere, I am here."

    "You go aboard. It is an order. Don't make any more excuses," De Falco said. "You have declared 'abandon ship.' Now I am in charge. You go on board! Is that clear? Do you hear me? Go, and call me when you are aboard. My air rescue crew is there."

    "But you do realize it is dark and here we can't see anything," Schettino told the coast guard.

    De Falco responded: "And so what? You want to go home, Schettino? It is dark and you want to go home? Get on that prow of the boat using the pilot ladder and tell me what can be done, how many people there are and what there needs are. Now!"
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