Sabotage - Good Intentions
PinkEarthMama
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How do you avoid getting sabotaged?
For example :
My husband found my absolute favorite treat - Totino's Pizza Rolls ( now Pillsbury ) - at Costco. Despite me repeatedly saying " Please don't buy me any crap "... he bought them because he KNOWS that I love them, and I haven't had them for YEARS. They are nothing more than deep fried PIZZA, for crying out loud. I even told him on the phone " NO ".. but I didn't MEAN it. I knew that if he bought them, they'd be DELICIOUS. ( And they were.. and I logged them )
A friend stops by unexpectedly with an extra large Tim Horton's double double. That's a good 300 calories.
Loving husband asks " Can I pick you up some food on my way home? " at 9:30 pm because HE is starving from working all day. By " some food " he means... McDonalds
" Please don't go to the gym tonight. I miss you! "
I need to be able to turn this sort of stuff down. I need to be able to make my husband understand that crap IN the house is crap IN me. I have great self control ( says the box of Ferrero Rocher & Andes mints, neither of which I've touched in weeks ) but some things are nearly impossible to resist.
A " reasonable " portion of pizza rolls turned into 21. Girl's night out turned into poutine & fried pickles.
Sometimes I feel like my husband / friends like me fat because they feel better about themselves. Why should my husband workout? We can be fat together. My fat friends & I... we're the fat club, right? And we don't care. Fat girls are sexy, right? No... no no no!
For example :
My husband found my absolute favorite treat - Totino's Pizza Rolls ( now Pillsbury ) - at Costco. Despite me repeatedly saying " Please don't buy me any crap "... he bought them because he KNOWS that I love them, and I haven't had them for YEARS. They are nothing more than deep fried PIZZA, for crying out loud. I even told him on the phone " NO ".. but I didn't MEAN it. I knew that if he bought them, they'd be DELICIOUS. ( And they were.. and I logged them )
A friend stops by unexpectedly with an extra large Tim Horton's double double. That's a good 300 calories.
Loving husband asks " Can I pick you up some food on my way home? " at 9:30 pm because HE is starving from working all day. By " some food " he means... McDonalds
" Please don't go to the gym tonight. I miss you! "
I need to be able to turn this sort of stuff down. I need to be able to make my husband understand that crap IN the house is crap IN me. I have great self control ( says the box of Ferrero Rocher & Andes mints, neither of which I've touched in weeks ) but some things are nearly impossible to resist.
A " reasonable " portion of pizza rolls turned into 21. Girl's night out turned into poutine & fried pickles.
Sometimes I feel like my husband / friends like me fat because they feel better about themselves. Why should my husband workout? We can be fat together. My fat friends & I... we're the fat club, right? And we don't care. Fat girls are sexy, right? No... no no no!
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I think the key is communication. Explain the sabotage and what it feels like to you. Try and help them understand from your pov. When your husband tries to keep you home at night, ask him to join you or say okay, but that means you are getting up with me at 5 am to workout. Or whatever.
Losing weight is scary for the people around you because it does make them reexamine their lives and self-images. It can be very intimidating but those are their issues and not yours. You can't control their feelings or decisions but you can control yours.
I hope this gets better for you very quickly.0 -
Unfortunately you can't change what other people do, only what you do. When I first started getting interested in being healthier I had to deal with this with my husband mostly. We had set patterns, he knew what I liked and what would please me but then I went and changed all the rules. Poor guy didn't know what to do to support me at that point! So I had to start gently teaching him that instead of bringing me chocolate, bring me a flower or some health or fitness thing that I've been wanting. Or yarn! (I'm an avid knitter) He wanted to bless me but didn't know how when I took the treats out of the equation. When he does bring them I'll have a little bit usually but then the rest disappears when he's not around (right into the trash.) He's learned that if he does bring me a treat, bring a small version instead of a huge package.
In pretty much all areas (friends, coworkers, family, etc) you have to decide if you can withstand the pressure of having the junk around and not caving or you can choose to avoid the situations until you're stronger. (Doesn't work so well with the spouse!) If you can't avoid it then go with a plan. Make sure you plan on something that you'll enjoy without guilt (because if you go planning not to eat or drink a thing you know you'll end up caving!) Or make sure you get your workout in to negate a small indulgence. You can't expect everyone around you to change just because you are. Be patient with them.0 -
WOW. I am having the EXACT same experience with my wife. She got gastric bypass surgery last year and has been feeding ME to eat vicariously. She was also raised to believe that food = love, which is why she needed a GBS in the first place.
I'm sure your husband loves you any way you are, but he's probably still on his own routine and resisting yours. If food was a huge part of your life together, trust me, it's hard to cut that out overnight and have to find other ways to replace that bonding experience. It's not easy, but I know you guys can do it.
I can't speak to your friends' motives, but I'm assuming it's the same type of reaction to this "new" you. It's probably the same type of adjusting to a different version of you. I think it's less that you made them feel better about themselves before and MORE about how your dedication and commitment makes them feel now. My wife has gone through the same thing; everyone who talks to her wants to talk about weight and how they're doing own their own diets, as if they have something to prove to her. Big changes of any kind show you who your true friends are, and I hope yours are offering you the support and encouragement you need as they figure out who you are, outside of food.0 -
Why does everyone see it as sabotage? How come it isn't that these people love you and think they are doing something nice for you?
Just because a friend brings a coffee and your husband brings home a food you love and haven't had in years doesn't mean they want to hurt your weight loss efforts. They are being nice - in a way they see as sweet in nice.
I can guarantee you that none of these people are trying to hurt your progress and sabotage you with what they are doing. They may honestly not know how many calories and such are in certain things and think they are just being nice.0 -
Mallory,
I cannot see how my husband thinks it is helpful. He loves me, this much I know to be true. But how can it not be sabotage if I say " Please don't buy those. Thank you for thinking of me, but we'll get them next time ".0 -
I am pretty lucky in that my daughter is a vegitarian and focusing on getting healthy and my husband has helped me clean all the junk food out of the house. I have informed my entire family of the fact that I am eating healthier and what I will not eat any more. So far they have been supportive. I am a segitarian, which means I don't eat beef or pork, and even though they don't agree with mine or my daughter's diet they always make sure there are plenty of veggies for us.0
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You said in your original post that you told him not to get you the pizza rolls but you "didn't MEAN it". That's probably why he got them. I know with my soon to be husband he can tell when I'm saying no but don't really mean it.
Men also don't think the same way us women do. We are complex... we have the thought - he brought home pizza and chips he wants to sabotage my diet and keep me fat. He thinks - I'll bring home pizza and chips so we can relax and not worry about making dinner or she's been doing so good I'll bring home a treat that we just enjoy together while we relax and not worry about cooking.
Men aren't the greatest thinkers and even though he knows you are trying to get healthier he is most likely just doing something HE thinks is nice and sweet - ask him and I'm sure he won't say he wants you to stay overweight. I bet his intention is not to sabotage your efforts. Either way, you can't expect him to never bring home certain things. If he brings things home you just have to have the willpower to resist whatever it is.
Or tell him that you love how he's doing something nice and thoughtful but next time please bring home a smaller bag, box, etc.0 -
I have the same issues with returning to the parental's roof. They're both overweight and don't care, not obese just overweight. Living at home has put the pounds on me...I eat the crap and even messes with my gluten allergies. I've begged and fought with them to get rid of the junk but now my mother just hides it in her office and she eats it all the time and potato chips at night, it is horrible! My friends are somewhat supportive expect at the fire house...they eat like piggies and burn it off fast too.
The best way is self control and remove yourself from the situation or even in the case of food. When he isn't looking throw it away...whats worse the cholesterol in your body or a few bucks in the trash? Your health is more important and if they can't understand the effects of all that crap in a human bodies system then maybe they need to look in the mirror as well.
Use the motivation of proving them all wrong to resist eating the food. I stay away from the kitchen and cooking channels because I know it will make me want bad (delicious) food. When he asks if you want anything at night tell him a cup of decafe coffee (if you feel you want something) or apple slices without the dip. Some people can't say no and if you have to say yes, make it a healthy option or even the oatmeal bowl from Mc Donalds.
Its hard and try to sit him down and talk it out, but with a calm tone and a smile, even if you have to repeat the talks. It has to eventually stick in...right?0 -
I would check his phone's text messages. God knows what else he might be up to.0
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Two pronged attack:
1) Communication: Sit your husband down. Explain what you want to do and more importantly WHY you want to do it. Tell him how important this is for you and that you love him and you love that he wants to take care of you, but you really need his help to honor you when you say "No, thank you". Usually when you take a direct approach like this he can have a better understanding that this isn't one of those times where you take on a diet and it fails anyway (I am assuming that, like many on this site, you may have tried weight loss before?)
2) Willpower: Remind yourself that No means no. Okay, so you indulged in a reasonable amount of pizza rolls. That's totally okay. Now instead of heating up more, binge on something like broccolli or a bag of popcorn (Orville movie theater butter has 88 calories in an entire normal sized bag). That'll fill you up and take care of the cravings. If you find yourself going to the freezer to grab more then do what I did last time I almost binged on goldfish crackers - THROW THE REST AWAY. They're in the dumpster, there's no going back! Take control of what you put in your body. Ultimately it's your decision and it's nice when people aren't shoving things in your face but if this is going to be your new life the first step is honoring your decisions the same way you expect everyone else to honor them.0 -
I luckily have a lot of support and since I can't eat gluten no one ever tries to tempt me. Gym time is my 'me time' six days a week. If I don't go I get cranky and my husband never wants that. So I always have my own food and I have to have my gym time. No exceptions.0
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I married a food Nazi.....lol
She's been into healthy foods all her life.
Sometimes all she eats is a salad.
Salad is not even food.
Salad is what comes with real food.0 -
Sometimes ppl are scared of CHANGE. He might be afraid of it changing your relationship. Maybe try giving things you know you'll go overboard w/ to a neighbor or pour salt all over it to make it undesirable. It is hard to resist our fav things, but consistency is key. Stay strong!0
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Sorry that is a tough situation. I would take them to work and write "Help Yourself" on the box they'd be gone in a shot! Or if you don't work outside the home, have a party with friends and family have those and a veggie tray out for snacks. And if it happens again I'd throw them away or down the garbage disposal right in front of him and say thank you for thinkng of me but I can not have them in the house. Hang in there! It is hard enough to battle extra weight with support but without your spouse and/or friends... Also reassure him that you will love him till the day you die but you'd rather that be later than sooner.0
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I think the key is communication. Explain the sabotage and what it feels like to you. Try and help them understand from your pov.
This. It took my husband a very long time to understand just how important being fit has become to me. I would explain to him that things he was doing out of love and consideration were sometimes hard for me to refuse when I struggled with will power. You also have some responsibility in this to try to strengthen your ability to refuse even the biggest temptations from time to time.
Even after all this time and how much I've learned and strength I've developed, we still struggle with things like how often to go out. He knows that my compromise is no more than once a week. He also knows he can go out and have fun with his friends whenever he wants.
Just communicate and work it out. Make sure you really express to him how important this is to you. Spouses who aren't on the same fitness page sometimes have a very hard time really understanding this.0 -
maybe you are putting a vibe out there that leads people to believe you aren't serious. it might even be subconscious. make sure you are SERIOUS. and NEVER EVER eat anything they give you. that's just telling them, "no matter what i say, i will eat what you bring me."0
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Why does everyone see it as sabotage? How come it isn't that these people love you and think they are doing something nice for you?
Just because a friend brings a coffee and your husband brings home a food you love and haven't had in years doesn't mean they want to hurt your weight loss efforts. They are being nice - in a way they see as sweet in nice.
I can guarantee you that none of these people are trying to hurt your progress and sabotage you with what they are doing. They may honestly not know how many calories and such are in certain things and think they are just being nice.
I agree.
I don't see it as sabotage but rather as ignorance. People who have no interest in losing weight or changing their lifestyle don't know sh*it about calories. There will always be temptation, always! Educate those people and communicate better with them. If they keep buying you junk food, throw it away. After a while, they'll get the message.0 -
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I understand reasonings behind some of these comments however I don't believe one should throw out someone elses food because they don't want the temptation. Husbands, wives, roommates and parents we all live with have the right to have whatever they want in their own house. Personally I don't think it's fair or right to do that or expect others not to have what they like just because one person in the house doesn't want it around.
My soon to be husband can bring whatever food he'd like into the house. Our deal is that he put it on top of the cupboards so I can't reach it. He has the right to bring home what he wants because I am the one making the change, not him.0 -
My wife did this to me, and ends up she was cheating on me.0
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By definition it's not sabotage if their intentions are good. Sabotage is a deliberate action.0
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Mallory,
I cannot see how my husband thinks it is helpful. He loves me, this much I know to be true. But how can it not be sabotage if I say " Please don't buy those. Thank you for thinking of me, but we'll get them next time ".
Because you are eating them.0 -
Men aren't the greatest thinkers
Interesting! Could you please indicate which in the following list of the world's most foremost thinkers is male: Plato, Confucius, Aristotle, Laozi, Augustine, Shankara, Avicenna, Maimonides, Averroes, Zhu Xi, Aquinas, Descartes, Locke, Hume, Kant, Bentham, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Peirce, Nietzsche, Russel.0 -
WRT your husband - in my experience, women frequently assume that far more information is conveyed in conversation with men than men actually receive.
That's not a male failing. That's a communication failure. The only failure on the male's part is not seeking additional clarification (aka 'taking you at your word') which is something most men only really pick up quite far into a relationship.
If you want an outcome, you need to lead the conversation, and you need to give him specific instructions backed up by actions, and link cause and effect CLEARLY. Don't assume he makes the connections.
ie:
"I don't want you to buy this food, because if you do, I will be tempted to eat it. If I eat it, I will need to go to the gym to burn it off. That means you won't see me tonight. "
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"I want to go to the gym tonight because if I do then I will burn through calories. If I burn through calories then I don't need to be as careful about what I eat."
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"I want to look good, because it makes me feel good. That means I need to be careful about what I eat, and to exercise more than normal. Please think about ways that you could help me to eat better or to exercise more."
These are oversimplified but men do think in a linear process and communicate with facts - you (as the communication masters) need to adjust the way that you communicate if you want a specific outcome or prevent a specific behaviour.
My 2c, your mileage may vary, etc.0
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