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  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
    LabRat529 - if you'd be so kind........ your excellent advice & knowledge would be greatly appreciated by a few of us over here http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/467042-discouraged-1-month-of-counting-cals-working-out-w-no-resu
    :smile:

    I actually need to get to bed, so I just skimmed the thread really quick. I bumped a thread up that I thought might be helpful to you. It's the 700 calories a day thread. I know you're eating more than 700 calories, but it offers some good advice on how to repair a damaged metabolism. I think that's what you and the OP are dealing with.

    I will try to read the thread you linked in more detail tomorrow and give you a better answer if I can.

    Good luck and good night!
  • yuckidah
    yuckidah Posts: 290 Member
    LabRat529 - if you'd be so kind........ your excellent advice & knowledge would be greatly appreciated by a few of us over here http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/467042-discouraged-1-month-of-counting-cals-working-out-w-no-resu
    :smile:

    I actually need to get to bed, so I just skimmed the thread really quick. I bumped a thread up that I thought might be helpful to you. It's the 700 calories a day thread. I know you're eating more than 700 calories, but it offers some good advice on how to repair a damaged metabolism. I think that's what you and the OP are dealing with.

    I will try to read the thread you linked in more detail tomorrow and give you a better answer if I can.

    Good luck and good night!

    No hurry! Thanks for even taking the time to reply. Here in NZ I sometimes forget that you guys are in a different time zone, lol. Sleep well.
  • trud72
    trud72 Posts: 1,912 Member
    lol...
    if you want it in simple terms,
    1.stay within your cals
    2.try to have more protein than carbs and TRY not to go over carbs.:drinker:
  • Also, just some info for the women... I tried for 7 yrs to get my weight down after my hysterectomy at age 27 (NOBODY tells you before the surgery that you'll most likely gain a bunch of weight & not be able to lose it!). Anyways this summer I finally kicked the mountain dew habit & switched to walmarts brand of crystal light energy drink packets (better flavors); lost 20 lbs in about 3 months & lost almost half my boobs with it!!! First time that ever happened to me! :( Now I'm improving my diet/exercise routine in baby steps taking it slow in the hopes that as I get slimmer, I can keep the boobs I have left! (Went from a 34g to 34dd). My husband was a little irked at first, but is happy I'm trying to get healthier.
  • yuckidah
    yuckidah Posts: 290 Member
    Interestingly.....I've had a Hysterectomy and I've also had my Gall Bladder removed. It has never occurred to me that either of these might play a part in the difficulty I have losing weight. Perhaps it's something worth pondering.......
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
    LabRat529 - if you'd be so kind........ your excellent advice & knowledge would be greatly appreciated by a few of us over here http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/467042-discouraged-1-month-of-counting-cals-working-out-w-no-resu
    :smile:

    I actually need to get to bed, so I just skimmed the thread really quick. I bumped a thread up that I thought might be helpful to you. It's the 700 calories a day thread. I know you're eating more than 700 calories, but it offers some good advice on how to repair a damaged metabolism. I think that's what you and the OP are dealing with.

    I will try to read the thread you linked in more detail tomorrow and give you a better answer if I can.

    Good luck and good night!

    No hurry! Thanks for even taking the time to reply. Here in NZ I sometimes forget that you guys are in a different time zone, lol. Sleep well.

    I replied to the thread. I'm not sure it was what you were looking for, but I hope it helps.

    As for specifics- most of the advice giving in that thread are worth a try. I'm a little skeptical of the calorie-cycling thing. A lot of people really like and believe in things like cheat days, spike days, cycling your calories. I don't know if they work. I don't know that they don't work. I just haven't seen enough evidence one way or the other to convince me. But they're certainly worth a try if you're stuck. They can't hurt you (though you'll notice a big water weight gain on the days you eat a lot- the water weight gain will go away). If you have a specific question, I'll be happy to give my best for it, but there are also some other really knowledgeable people on here that can help too. Taso created a great unofficial frequently asked questions group, and there's some great stuff there.
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
    Interestingly.....I've had a Hysterectomy and I've also had my Gall Bladder removed. It has never occurred to me that either of these might play a part in the difficulty I have losing weight. Perhaps it's something worth pondering.......

    OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH.

    Yes, hun. That hysterectomy is absolutely going to slow down your metabolism. :( I know that's not what you want to hear. But hormones do affect weight loss.

    The gall bladder? Eh... that probably doesn't have a big effect. It in theory should make it harder for you to process fatty meals, which could result in lower GI troubles, but I had my gall bladder removed a year ago and this is the first time I've been successful at losing more than 10 lbs.
  • onedayillbamilf
    onedayillbamilf Posts: 662 Member

    PS. IM A USSR ASTRONAUT!

    PS....dude, WHO CARES?!
  • EuroDriver12
    EuroDriver12 Posts: 805 Member

    PS. IM A USSR ASTRONAUT!

    PS....dude, WHO CARES?!

    Lol someone yesterday (its delted now) posted "what! U cant be an astronat, ir 22 n ussr doesnt excist nmore! N it would actuly be a cosmonat!"

    Ppl really dont get sarcasm once in while

    When i read that i literally laughed out load n woke my wife up hahaha

    I was being sarcastic... Making a point that anyone can be anything they want online! Make up any study they want, any evidence they want...

    Ill be the richest man alive and you can be the queen of america n ppl will belive u because u posted it on the net :-P
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member

    I was being sarcastic... Making a point that anyone can be anything they want online! Make up any study they want, any evidence they want...

    In other words, you were calling me a liar?

    Okay... I'm cool with that, because you're right, people can make things up on the internet and I'm not exactly going to go posting my diplomas or handing out personal info online. I could, theoretically be some skinny old-fart in my 90s that thinks it's hilarious to pretend to be a research scientist on a fitness site.

    However... guess what?! All the information I shared? You can find similar information on any credible medical/scientific website that covers topics like diet and weight loss. I can also prove most of my claims with real honest-to-God scientific research that's been published in peer-reviewed, accredited journals. Sure, there are studies that contradict my common-sense claims, BUT the largest body of evidence supports what I have to say.
  • EuroDriver12
    EuroDriver12 Posts: 805 Member

    I was being sarcastic... Making a point that anyone can be anything they want online! Make up any study they want, any evidence they want...

    In other words, you were calling me a liar?

    Okay... I'm cool with that, because you're right, people can make things up on the internet and I'm not exactly going to go posting my diplomas or handing out personal info online. I could, theoretically be some skinny old-fart in my 90s that thinks it's hilarious to pretend to be a research scientist on a fitness site.

    However... guess what?! All the information I shared? You can find similar information on any credible medical/scientific website that covers topics like diet and weight loss. I can also prove most of my claims with real honest-to-God scientific research that's been published in peer-reviewed, accredited journals. Sure, there are studies that contradict my common-sense claims, BUT the largest body of evidence supports what I have to say.

    oh no... i was actuly going to PM u when i get home n tell you that i wasnt going against anything you said and nothing was direct towards you... uve given a very theral answer...

    i was just pointing towards that there is one study showing one thing, other is showing another thing etc... n anyone can make up a "study" on facts that they believe are correct... they can say they have this and that to prove their point.. and that is why i tend to go more with ppl that have achived results with what they preach vs just google stuff that are supposbly "studies"

    even so you have to find whats right for you... i started my first diet on a full low carb ketosis diet and dropped 25lbs in the first month which in my case was horrible as i lost lots of muscle doing that... then i tried just a low cal diet n lost muscle... and now decided to go with a proper "bodybuilder" diet which is carb cycling, which you say sounds like "vodoo" but actuly works real well.. ive been at it for a month n bit now and im back to where i was before i started my bulk... n bearly dropped any muscle mass! so at the end of the day you have to find the advice you believe and see and try it on your body...

    now little on carb cycling as you said u dont know much about... the benefit of it is you are on high calorie, high protein diet(that results in keeping your muscle) but keeping carbs low still burns the fat.. you do 3 days of low carb which burns fat and maintains muscle... the 4th day you do a high carb day (still clean carbs which come from planned shredded wheats with protein milk, extra servings on mixed veggies etc) but its enough to give your metabolism a good kick, gives you alot more energy, makes your muscle look fuller the day after as they got "proper nutirtion" like it is literally been like this days 1-3 i feel level, dont see too much fat loss or muscle loss, 4th day i high carb, then day 1 starts again n i literally look in the mirror n look leaner! because my muscles are fuller and metabolism is up again to burn more fat!
  • CyberEd312
    CyberEd312 Posts: 3,536 Member
    Hmm. I'm not positive how to be diplomatic here, so please forgive me if I say this wrong. It sounds to me like you are prone toward believing myths. It's not uncommon- every one wants a quick fix- but it leave you vulnerable. Unfortunately, you're opening yourself up for even more problems with this thread. You will be bombarded by myth after myth after myth and you're not going to know what's right. You won't even know if my words are right.

    So let me try and give you some tools so that you can decide for yourself what is right and what is wrong. First, you need to learn about human nutrition from credible, scientific/medical sources. The mayo clinic website is one of my favorite websites for explaining medicine and science. I think they do a fantastic job of presenting the facts in an unbiased way. You'll find it here:

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/weight-loss/NU00616.

    WebMD is another great site. You'll find their diet info here:

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/default.htm.

    Lyle McDonald offers some good info too, though his stuff might be a bit advanced for you... I haven't read all he has to offer, but I like what I've read. You can find his stuff here:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/

    There's also great info in some of the stickies on MFP, and there are some great blogs and threads from some really credible people.

    Second, every time you read something, you should start asking yourself: Does it sound too good to be true? If it DOES, then it probably IS too good to be true.

    Third, I like to use the KISS rule. Keep it simple. If it sounds complicated, it's not worth your time. The most important thing you can do for your health is lose weight. You can do that by eating a normal diet. You don't need fancy tricks.

    Fourth, I really really like the adage 'moderation in all things'. That means avoid obsessions. Don't get obsessed about ever little thing you eat. Don't get obsessed about exercise. Don't get obsessed about water. You CAN over-think things. You CAN over-train. Obsession will lead to burn out and failure.

    Now for more specifics about your questions:

    1) For weight loss, calories matter most. You'll have most success with counting calories.

    2) You don't need to fear the fats. Some fat is good for you. Focus on poly and monounsaturated fats, but some saturated fat isn't going to hurt you in the long run as long as you are losing weight.

    3) Carbs are totally fine UNLESS you're Insulin resistant. Insulin resistance is pre-diabetes or diabetes. If you've been diagnosed as insulin resistant and/or diabetic, then you should reduce your carbs, but not eliminate them. You should focus on getting most of your carbs from vegetables and whole-grains with a lot of fiber.

    4) Glycemic index is not something you need to worry about for success. If you are insulin resistant or diabetic, THEN you should worry about glycemic index and eat foods with a low glycemic index. This advice fits with #3.

    5) There are no foods that burn belly fat or fat. This is like asking for some magic beans. They don't exist and anyone that tells you otherwise is lying because they want to make money, or ignorant and buying into the propaganda and myth. They don't understand science. There is no magic anything. No quick fixes. None.

    And... well... while I feel like an arrogant *kitten* for waving my credentials around... if it helps you decide who to believe and who not to, I suppose it's worth it. My 'credentials' are as follows: I have a bachelors and a masters degree in zoology with an emphasis in human biology and biophysics. I have a PhD in pharmacology with an emphasis in neuroscience. I am not a medical doctor. I am not a nutritionist. I am not a dietitian. I am not a physical trainer. But I'm good at spotting the myths and I will never knowingly lie to you about human health.

    Although I don't completely disagree with anything you have posted I think it must be noted that this doesn't always apply to everyone's situation... I for one (and don't think I am the only one) am the exception to the rule apparently. 31 months ago I was at 560 lbs., could barely walk from one room to another, had found out I had Full Blown Type 2 Diabetes (A1c of 10.0), Severely Fatty liver, Severe Vtiamin D deficits, etc... My Endo Doctor set me up with the Dietician and from the beginning the emphasis was not on Calories it was on Carb counting. Now the biggest thing was changing my eat choices from junk food to health choices... Fish, Chicken, Lean Beef, Whole grains, Veggies, Fruits. Cut out the usual stuff enriched floured foods, and replaced with multi grains and whole grains. We spent a couple weeks adjusting my Carb levels, and finally settled in on 60 grams of carbs at my 3 main meals and 20 grams at my 3 snacks.... There was no emphasis set on calories because my dietician calculated that I had been consuming over 6000 calories a day and that the switch to the right foods and watching my carb intake was most important for now. After the 4th week I hit a zone of losing 2 to 3 lbs. a week (1st week lost 11 lbs. 2nd week lost 8 lbs. and 3rd week lost 4lbs.) and my dietician was content with 2 to 3 lbs. a week.. I spent the next year and a half losing 180 lbs. counting my carbs. Now the second part of my journey we upped my carb intake and started watching my calories more than we had, but It really wasn't until about 6 months ago that I really started watch my calorie so closely that I started logging them and we set my BMR and created a deficit on losing 1 lb. a week. Today 31 months into my journey my BMR is 2450 (with my deficit built in) and I eat around 3200 calories a day (I eat back 85% of my exercise calories) and my carbs are 280-300 grams a day and I continue to lose 1 to 2 lbs. a week. So like I said I don't disagree with you but do think that everybody may respond differently. I have been pre-diabetic now for the past 14 months with A1c of 5.4.........
  • yuckidah
    yuckidah Posts: 290 Member
    Interestingly.....I've had a Hysterectomy and I've also had my Gall Bladder removed. It has never occurred to me that either of these might play a part in the difficulty I have losing weight. Perhaps it's something worth pondering.......

    OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH.

    Yes, hun. That hysterectomy is absolutely going to slow down your metabolism. :( I know that's not what you want to hear. But hormones do affect weight loss.

    Oh no :sad:
    I don't know how to counteract it.
    I wish there was a magic metabolism booster pill!
    I wonder if my Dr would have anything that might help.
    Maybe this really is a factor in why I'm finding it so damn hard to lose weight (when I'm doing everything else so strictly & precisely).
    Bugger.
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member

    Although I don't completely disagree with anything you have posted I think it must be noted that this doesn't always apply to everyone's situation... I for one (and don't think I am the only one) am the exception to the rule apparently. 31 months ago I was at 560 lbs., could barely walk from one room to another, had found out I had Full Blown Type 2 Diabetes (A1c of 10.0), Severely Fatty liver, Severe Vtiamin D deficits, etc... My Endo Doctor set me up with the Dietician and from the beginning the emphasis was not on Calories it was on Carb counting. Now the biggest thing was changing my eat choices from junk food to health choices... Fish, Chicken, Lean Beef, Whole grains, Veggies, Fruits. Cut out the usual stuff enriched floured foods, and replaced with multi grains and whole grains. We spent a couple weeks adjusting my Carb levels, and finally settled in on 60 grams of carbs at my 3 main meals and 20 grams at my 3 snacks.... There was no emphasis set on calories because my dietician calculated that I had been consuming over 6000 calories a day and that the switch to the right foods and watching my carb intake was most important for now. After the 4th week I hit a zone of losing 2 to 3 lbs. a week (1st week lost 11 lbs. 2nd week lost 8 lbs. and 3rd week lost 4lbs.) and my dietician was content with 2 to 3 lbs. a week.. I spent the next year and a half losing 180 lbs. counting my carbs. Now the second part of my journey we upped my carb intake and started watching my calories more than we had, but It really wasn't until about 6 months ago that I really started watch my calorie so closely that I started logging them and we set my BMR and created a deficit on losing 1 lb. a week. Today 31 months into my journey my BMR is 2450 (with my deficit built in) and I eat around 3200 calories a day (I eat back 85% of my exercise calories) and my carbs are 280-300 grams a day and I continue to lose 1 to 2 lbs. a week. So like I said I don't disagree with you but do think that everybody may respond differently. I have been pre-diabetic now for the past 14 months with A1c of 5.4.........

    Sure... when talking about human health, there's usually NOT a one-size-fits-all solution. Normally, it's a one-size-fits-the-average-person-but-never-the-outliers. :wink:

    And in your case, because you're diabetic (or were diabetic), a low carb diet is a fantastic choice. Congrats on your success!

    The reality, though, is people get soooooo overwhelmed by all the information out there that they never start dieting. They're afraid that they might pick the wrong method, so they don't do anything.

    It's much better (in my opinion) to pick a basic plan that works for most people and go for it. If after a month you haven't lost weight, then you might need to try something new, or you might need to start fine-tuning things.
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
    Interestingly.....I've had a Hysterectomy and I've also had my Gall Bladder removed. It has never occurred to me that either of these might play a part in the difficulty I have losing weight. Perhaps it's something worth pondering.......

    OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH.

    Yes, hun. That hysterectomy is absolutely going to slow down your metabolism. :( I know that's not what you want to hear. But hormones do affect weight loss.

    Oh no :sad:
    I don't know how to counteract it.
    I wish there was a magic metabolism booster pill!
    I wonder if my Dr would have anything that might help.
    Maybe this really is a factor in why I'm finding it so damn hard to lose weight (when I'm doing everything else so strictly & precisely).
    Bugger.

    I'm sorry! I wish there was a magic metabolism booster pill too sometimes, but exercise is about as close as it gets.

    If you have good insurance, yes, I'd talk to my doctor if I were you. If you can get a referral to a dietitian, they might be able to tailor a diet to your needs. Unfortunately, my knowledge of hormones is very specific to the brain. I know generally that estrogen and progesterone affect metabolism... but I don't know enough to tell you how to adapt to those changes.

    I do know that the principles of weight loss are the same regardless of whether you have had a hysterectomy- you can still lose weight, it's just harder for you than it would be if you had that precious estrogen and progesterone (to all the other ladies out there that still have your hormones, don't forget the next time you're dealing with PMS that it can suck when they are gone). Personally, if I were you, I'd STILL try increasing my calorie intake. It might help.
  • sabified
    sabified Posts: 1,035 Member
    BUMP because I'd like this saved so I can read LabRat's info
  • yuckidah
    yuckidah Posts: 290 Member
    Thanks again labrat.
    I will do as you (& others) have suggested and try upping the calories for a few weeks. If that doesn't work I might go and talk to my Dr (we don't need insurance in NZ, we're a bit lucky in that respect. We may not have string cheese but we have great health care, lol). I might even be able to show him my MFP reports by logging in from his computer, so he can see where I'm at and what I'm doing with food/exercise. He may well recommend having my hormone levels checked and perhaps my thyroid as well. I'm happy to give anything a try just in case there is an underlying issue making this journey more difficult than it needs to be.
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