REAALLYY Low Carbs, but High Fat and Protein?

Johnny_Castle
Johnny_Castle Posts: 159
edited November 2024 in Food and Nutrition
One of my friends who strongly advocates these types of low carb diets sent me these. What do you guys think of it? Do you agree or disagree? I'm sure many of you have experimented with this type of diet. How were your results?

http://blog.massivehealth.com/infographics/Carbs_are_killing_you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSeSTq-N4U4&sns=em

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2011/11/taubes_on_fat_s.html

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  • UponThisRock
    UponThisRock Posts: 4,519 Member
    Protein also elicits a high insulin response, better watch out for that as well.
  • _Amy_Budd
    _Amy_Budd Posts: 378 Member
    That's not true about protein and insulin response, actually... When eating clean, unprocessed whole foods, and avoiding the grains and sugars that do provoke a high insulin response, it is very possible to lose a great deal of weight while being completely satisfied, and feeling healthy and happy. I'm living proof, as are others on the Primal/Paleo group here. Come browse our forum if you'd like more info.

    :)
    Amy
  • UponThisRock
    UponThisRock Posts: 4,519 Member
    That's not true about protein and insulin response,

    Yes it is.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20060863
  • Jessb1985
    Jessb1985 Posts: 264 Member
    I can't read the above post it only shows an abstract and you have to buy the full article.

    The abstract I could see only mentioned satiety levels between lowcarb/high carb so I can't comment on the insulin response.

    For me personally though, I have insulin resistance and when i eat high carb foods it involves fast heartbeat, heart paliptations and tiredness.

    Since earing low carb (50-100grams a day so not low low carb) i have more energy and find that I don't have the heart problems anymore, and I eat what is considered high protien. I guess it comes down to how your body handles different foods, but overall I'm happy with it :)
  • nanodot
    nanodot Posts: 154 Member
    If you go TOOOOO low-carb, you are going to miss out on the good nutrients in vegetables. But, for 20 to 50 carbs a day, you can eat all the non-starchy vegetables you can possibly eat in a day. For 100 carbs a day, you can eat all the veggies you want, and 2-3 servings of fruit.

    That can't be bad for you.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    One of my friends who strongly advocates these types of low carb diets sent me these. What do you guys think of it? Do you agree or disagree? I'm sure many of you have experimented with this type of diet. How were your results?

    http://blog.massivehealth.com/infographics/Carbs_are_killing_you

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSeSTq-N4U4&sns=em

    http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2011/11/taubes_on_fat_s.html

    I also eat High fat, moderate protein, low carb.

    Carbs come from vegetables, nuts, seeds, limited raw dairy and fruit. In that exact order.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    That's not true about protein and insulin response, actually... When eating clean, unprocessed whole foods, and avoiding the grains and sugars that do provoke a high insulin response, it is very possible to lose a great deal of weight while being completely satisfied, and feeling healthy and happy. I'm living proof, as are others on the Primal/Paleo group here. Come browse our forum if you'd like more info.

    :)
    Amy

    Yes, actually protein can invoke an insulin response when too much is consumed.

    This is exactly the reason I eat high fat, moderate protein and lower carb.

    I am also on Paleo / Primal plan and a part of that group, among other Primal and Paleo groups.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    That's not true about protein and insulin response, actually... When eating clean, unprocessed whole foods, and avoiding the grains and sugars that do provoke a high insulin response, it is very possible to lose a great deal of weight while being completely satisfied, and feeling healthy and happy. I'm living proof, as are others on the Primal/Paleo group here. Come browse our forum if you'd like more info.

    :)
    Amy

    Scroll down to table 4 for the results

    Holt Et al. An insulin index of foods: the insulin demand generated by 1000-kJ portions of common foods. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 66, 1264-1276

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html
  • Ambrogio1
    Ambrogio1 Posts: 518 Member
    I eat carbs by the boatload. Gd rule of thumb is higher on workout days. I mean u get lean on low low carbs but it sucks. I ate 60 today on non workout day with no ill affects. This weekend I probably get around 1000 carbs in 3 days
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    LOL

    insulinfairycopyfinal.jpg

    Uponthisrock & ACG have already answered the question.
  • _Amy_Budd
    _Amy_Budd Posts: 378 Member
    That's not true about protein and insulin response, actually... When eating clean, unprocessed whole foods, and avoiding the grains and sugars that do provoke a high insulin response, it is very possible to lose a great deal of weight while being completely satisfied, and feeling healthy and happy. I'm living proof, as are others on the Primal/Paleo group here. Come browse our forum if you'd like more info.

    :)
    Amy

    Scroll down to table 4 for the results

    Holt Et al. An insulin index of foods: the insulin demand generated by 1000-kJ portions of common foods. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 66, 1264-1276

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html

    They have baked beans and lentils in with those "protein-rich foods", (served in tomato sauce, to boot). Yes, they are protein-rich foods, but they're also high carb legumes, so of course they raise insulin, and therefore drive up the score of the "protein-rich foods" chart.

    There are many, many studies which discuss insulin response, diabetes, and weight loss in relation to high carb foods, and that support the low-carb/low-insulin response relationship. And I've got 132 pounds lost and a low, healthy blood sugar to offer as a long-term "test subject".
  • It's impossible for me to go low carbs in training for marathons. I experimented with this. I lost weight within 2 weeks-but bonked with energy when i needed to go beyond a 15 mile training run. On the other side of the coin-newbie marathoners wonder why they gain weight during marathon training-they over load on too much complex carbs that don't balance the amount of miles ran that particular training day/week. I find the "grazing" method 9what the japenese call it), eat small meals throughout the day with complex carbs and lean protein. Too much of anything is not good for you, including high loading on protein. Then again, it may be good for a bodybuilder. I think it depends what your sport is.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    That's not true about protein and insulin response, actually... When eating clean, unprocessed whole foods, and avoiding the grains and sugars that do provoke a high insulin response, it is very possible to lose a great deal of weight while being completely satisfied, and feeling healthy and happy. I'm living proof, as are others on the Primal/Paleo group here. Come browse our forum if you'd like more info.

    :)
    Amy

    Scroll down to table 4 for the results

    Holt Et al. An insulin index of foods: the insulin demand generated by 1000-kJ portions of common foods. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 66, 1264-1276

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html

    They have baked beans and lentils in with those "protein-rich foods", (served in tomato sauce, to boot). Yes, they are protein-rich foods, but they're also high carb legumes, so of course they raise insulin, and therefore drive up the score of the "protein-rich foods" chart.

    There are many, many studies which discuss insulin response, diabetes, and weight loss in relation to high carb foods, and that support the low-carb/low-insulin response relationship. And I've got 132 pounds lost and a low, healthy blood sugar to offer as a long-term "test subject".

    So you picked 1 food from the protein rich group that contains carbs and say oh of course they rasie insulin, while ignoring the results of beef, cheese, fish and eggs, which are not high carb?


    And there are many more studies that show that low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage, but thanks for your N=1 body of proof

    Here's another study on protein and insulin

    The acute effects of four protein meals on insulin, glucose, appetite and energy intake in lean men. British Journal of Nutrition (2010), 104 : pp 1241-1248

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=7912922&jid=BJN&volumeId=104&issueId=08&aid=7912920&bodyId=&membershipNumber=&societyETOCSession=

    Insulin-4-different-proteins.png

    And there are many more studies that show that low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage, but thanks for your N=1 body of proof
  • _Amy_Budd
    _Amy_Budd Posts: 378 Member
    That's not true about protein and insulin response, actually... When eating clean, unprocessed whole foods, and avoiding the grains and sugars that do provoke a high insulin response, it is very possible to lose a great deal of weight while being completely satisfied, and feeling healthy and happy. I'm living proof, as are others on the Primal/Paleo group here. Come browse our forum if you'd like more info.

    :)
    Amy

    Scroll down to table 4 for the results

    Holt Et al. An insulin index of foods: the insulin demand generated by 1000-kJ portions of common foods. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 66, 1264-1276

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html

    They have baked beans and lentils in with those "protein-rich foods", (served in tomato sauce, to boot). Yes, they are protein-rich foods, but they're also high carb legumes, so of course they raise insulin, and therefore drive up the score of the "protein-rich foods" chart.

    There are many, many studies which discuss insulin response, diabetes, and weight loss in relation to high carb foods, and that support the low-carb/low-insulin response relationship. And I've got 132 pounds lost and a low, healthy blood sugar to offer as a long-term "test subject".

    So you picked 1 food from the protein rich group that contains carbs and say oh of course they rasie insulin, while ignoring the results of beef, cheese, fish and eggs, which are not high carb?


    And there are many more studies that show that low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage, but thanks for your N=1 body of proof

    Here's another study on protein and insulin

    The acute effects of four protein meals on insulin, glucose, appetite and energy intake in lean men. British Journal of Nutrition (2010), 104 : pp 1241-1248

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=7912922&jid=BJN&volumeId=104&issueId=08&aid=7912920&bodyId=&membershipNumber=&societyETOCSession=

    Insulin-4-different-proteins.png

    And there are many more studies that show that low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage, but thanks for your N=1 body of proof

    You really think I'm the only person who has seen these results?

    Your attitude sucks, by the way. But I'm sure you hear that all the time. :)
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