Eat quality protein, get lean?

lilojoke
lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
edited November 2024 in Food and Nutrition
So whats everyones choice of protein? Mine is whey, eggs, chicken and turkey and some beef. Not much of a fan of tuna but will eat it on occasion.

Eat quality protein, get lean?
by Mistress Krista

Readers of **** Calories will know that I am not partial to the “calories in, calories out” model of fat loss and lean body mass gain.

There are many reasons for that, one of which is the fact that the quality of your energy intake matters. 1000 calories of Twinkies is not 1000 calories of steak, no matter what idiotic single-food-focused diet you may choose to consume (see: Twinkie diet, cabbage soup, grapefruit, lemon-cayenne-maple syrup, et al).

I hope to help folks understand eventually that energy in vs energy out is not the only thing that determines body composition — your body’s response to a given food also makes a huge difference. (I’ll be harping on this a lot in future, so consider this a warning shot across the bow.)

An interesting, albeit small, recent study correlates protein quality to waist size. What is interesting here is that the researchers stipulate “quality protein”. What the heck does that mean?

Let me explain the concept of essential amino acids (EAAs).

Essential amino acids and protein quality

If there’s one thing Nature does real good, it’s make proteins. (Actually, Nature does lots of things real good.) Oh how organic systems love their proteins. You’re a big pile of protein, from your hair to your toenails.

The building blocks for proteins are amino acids. There are lots of amino acids out there. Sure, we love ‘em all, but there are some that we really need — these are known as essential amino acids. There are also amino acids that are conditionally essential, which means that sometimes we need them more than others. Frinstance, glutamine is a conditionally EAA — we need more of it during times of physical stress, which is why it’s often included in post-surgical nutrition.

Now, what you’re looking for in your diet is a good assortment of these EAAs, and generally (unless you have some kind of intolerance or genetic inability to metabolize certain AAs) getting some of the conditional AAs doesn’t hurt either. Bone broths, for instance, are rich in glycine. (And they taste great! So win-win.)

Some proteins are more equal essential than others

Problem is that not all protein sources are created equal.

Just because something “contains protein” does not mean that the protein source is optimal. Sure, we’re scavengers so we will grab ‘n’ go whatever we can get our greasy little protease enzymes on — we can extract protein from darn near anything edible.

But that protein may not be our best choice. Frinstance, vegetarians often opt for beans/legumes, grains, and nuts as protein sources. (And others of you like to delude yourself that peanut butter is a “good protein source”. Hey man, I get it. Nothing beats scooping out that buttery goodness and feeling morally righteous and nutritionally justified as the silky, sexy, salty, peanutty velvet melts into your soft palate. Unnnngghhh.)

Now, these protein sources aren’t “bad” or “wrong”. They’re just not optimal. Let’s compare.

Here’s a sample of protein ranking according to the PDCAAs score. (Don’t worry about the acronym. Just get the idea.) The PDCAA scores proteins on two things: our amino acid requirements, and how well we can digest these particular proteins.

The higher the number, the better-quality (for us) the protein in terms of giving us the amino acids that we need.

1 casein (milk protein)
1 egg white
1 soy protein
1 whey (milk protein)
0.92 beef
0.91 soybeans
0.78 chickpeas
0.76 fruits
0.73 vegetables
0.7 Other legumes
0.59 cereals and derivatives
0.42 whole wheat
Lab vs real world

I should point out that theoretical digestibility doesn’t always correlate to real-life digestibility.

Although, for instance, whey and casein are highly ranked, many folks actually can’t digest dairy well, and in fact consuming casein/whey is a source of other health problems. Same deal with soy — if you rely on soy as your major protein source you are in for some serious issues. And of course, if you’ve read **** Calories, you’ll know how I feel about wheat.

Indeed, some researchers have pointed out that the PCDAAs may over-value certain foods if it looks only at amino acid availability, noting that the PCDAAs ignores the real-world protein quality of the “protein sources which may contain naturally occurring growth-depressing factors or antinutritional factors”.

What this means is that we have to look at the big picture: How does a given food actually behave in a real human body?

Also note that not all of these are whole foods. Casein, whey, and soy protein powders are industrially processed foods that require an elaborate production chain. You know my thoughts on industrially processed foods, which is that in general we should avoid most of them. And unless we’re hardcore bodybuilders, we don’t just eat “casein”, we usually eat something like “cottage cheese”, which contains both whey and casein.

But anyway, just get the general picture here. Some foods are higher in essential amino acids than others. This is what the researchers mean by “quality protein”. More EAAs per gram of food, better protein quality.

Better protein quality means a leaner body?

The Coles Notes version here is that a higher intake of quality proteins is correlated with a smaller waist size, and by inference a leaner body.

Now, you could say the sample is too small to be of use, and that this effect is simply correlation not causation, and you would be correct on both counts from a methodological standpoint. But this general trend (abundant protein = you get lean & strong) has been confirmed across a zillion other studies.

So again, let’s talk lab vs. real world. I can tell you from my observation of hundreds of clients (yes, real people in the real world, just like you) that it’s very, very hard to get lean and strong, to stay robustly healthy, and to perform well athletically on a low-quality, low protein diet. Period. There are always a few rare outliers who claim to kick *kitten* while living on twigs and sprouts, and more power to ‘em. Likely, those folks are not you.

Conversely, for most folks it’s a lot easier to feel energetic, full, and psychologically satisfied — and get lean — on a diet that includes lots of high-quality protein. Mo’ protein, no problems.

If you don’t incorporate high-quality protein sources into your diet (and let’s be honest, I mean eating something that is an animal or was made by an animal), you’ll likely find it more challenging to get and stay as lean, healthy, and strong as you would like, and you’ll have to rely more on heavily processed foods such as protein powders to bring your intake up to snuff.

Replies

  • Kymmu
    Kymmu Posts: 1,644 Member
    Good points made -I agree, quality every time for me!
  • lilojoke
    lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
    I usually get grass fed organic chicken or turkey but also like many of the vegan protein sources as well. Protein fills me up yummo!
  • jomm30
    jomm30 Posts: 11 Member
    Yes ... I just remembered how much I love cottage cheese (must be included more in my food choices from now).
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    My choices vary quite a bit, but I usually eat:

    Steak
    Cheeseburgers
    Whey protein
    Bacon/Eggs
    Greek Yogurt
    Chicken
    Fish


    I think the article you posted has "some" truth to it but the conclusions that are drawn from it are a bit overstated.

    I really don't think people need to concern themselves with protein quality unless they're applying some major restrictions to their diet or they have a big lack of variety. Just eat some different animals and eggs like "most" people do and it's not a concern.
  • debilang
    debilang Posts: 889 Member
    My choices vary quite a bit, but I usually eat:

    Steak
    Cheeseburgers
    Whey protein
    Bacon/Eggs
    Greek Yogurt
    Chicken
    Fish

    My protein choices, also, minus the whey. I bought Greek Yogurt to add in the Green Monster Smoothies I make, otherwise when eating by itself, I prefer Cottage Cheese...

    Good article...THX!
  • lilojoke
    lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
    My choices vary quite a bit, but I usually eat:

    Steak
    Cheeseburgers
    Whey protein
    Bacon/Eggs
    Greek Yogurt
    Chicken
    Fish


    I think the article you posted has "some" truth to it but the conclusions that are drawn from it are a bit overstated.

    I really don't think people need to concern themselves with protein quality unless they're applying some major restrictions to their diet or they have a big lack of variety. Just eat some different animals and eggs like "most" people do and it's not a concern.

    I agree with this but most articles do overstate things hehehe.
  • lilojoke
    lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
    Yes ... I just remembered how much I love cottage cheese (must be included more in my food choices from now).

    Keep you fuller longer too!
  • lilojoke
    lilojoke Posts: 427 Member
    My choices vary quite a bit, but I usually eat:

    Steak
    Cheeseburgers
    Whey protein
    Bacon/Eggs
    Greek Yogurt
    Chicken
    Fish

    My protein choices, also, minus the whey. I bought Greek Yogurt to add in the Green Monster Smoothies I make, otherwise when eating by itself, I prefer Cottage Cheese...

    Good article...THX!

    How do you eat your greek yogurt? Just plain??? *Gags!
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    My choices vary quite a bit, but I usually eat:

    Steak
    Cheeseburgers
    Whey protein
    Bacon/Eggs
    Greek Yogurt
    Chicken
    Fish


    I think the article you posted has "some" truth to it but the conclusions that are drawn from it are a bit overstated.

    I really don't think people need to concern themselves with protein quality unless they're applying some major restrictions to their diet or they have a big lack of variety. Just eat some different animals and eggs like "most" people do and it's not a concern.
    This
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