BMR or MFP goals?

I've been here a month and i've lost a handful of pounds and i can't seem to get the huge losses (or ANY losses now) everyone else gets. should i ignore what MFP says to eat and go with the BMR thing? it says my BMR 1,912 calories/day.

How much would i need to eat (or not eat) to lose 2lbs per week going by my BMR?
Do many (or any) of you go by the BMR method?

and how would exercise factor into the BMR?

I'm not losing anything now and its beyond frustrating. Infact, my ticker isn't accurate because my loss from 2 weeks ago was BS (i gained it back like a day or 2 later)

Currently MFP has me eating 1,580 calories.
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  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    bumping with some info:

    I'm currently 252.4lbs...i think, female and about 5'7

    i try to exercise 5 days a week and I use a Polar FT7 (though my husband doesnt think HRMS are accurate) burning about 500-700 calories per gym day (or more, depending on how long i stay and how energetic i feel)
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    At 252 pounds I would think your BMR would be more than 1912 but I dont know that for sure. To lose two pounds a week you would need to cut 1000 calories a day and if your BMR is 1912 that means you would only eat 912 calories a day which is way too low. Hopefully someone that knows more than me will post and help you determine what your BMR actually is, if the one you have isnt correct. Your husband is partly correct. HRMs are never 100% acurate, however they can give you a pretty good estimate so you at least have something to go by.
  • I don't know why, but the BMR/MFP thingy doesn't work for me, if I ate the amount of calories it says I can, I'm sure to gain weight. I stayed under 1600 calories last week and only lost .50, that is about 300 less than what BMR says I can eat. But I have a lot of health problems that effects my metabolism, so I'm guessing that is why. I'm sticking to 1600 this week to see what happens next week on the scale, I really don't want to lower my calories anymore right now. I also swim for exercise and I don't eat my exercise calories. I feel you have to find what works for you, I don't have much faith in charts, we are all different and the charts don't know what we do 24/7. I hope you can find what works for you, its irritating when you work so hard and not lose and even more irritating when you gain.

    Sherry
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    At 252 pounds I would think your BMR would be more than 1912 but I dont know that for sure. To lose two pounds a week you would need to cut 1000 calories a day and if your BMR is 1912 that means you would only eat 912 calories a day which is way too low. Hopefully someone that knows more than me will post and help you determine what your BMR actually is, if the one you have isnt correct. Your husband is partly correct. HRMs are never 100% acurate, however they can give you a pretty good estimate so you at least have something to go by.

    what the BMR i quoted is what MFP "tools" section says my BMR is based on my height, current weight and gender.

    With the BMR method do you disregard eating back the exercise calories? I sometimes eat back some of them, but it oes seem like i'd have to because 912 calories is low...
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    I wasnt sure of your age but I did a calculation for a female of your height and weight at 30 years old and it was 1925 so I guess your figure is correct. I thought it would be higher. I dont know, im curious to see what someone that knows this stuff will have to say.
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    I don't know why, but the BMR/MFP thingy doesn't work for me, if I ate the amount of calories it says I can, I'm sure to gain weight. I stayed under 1600 calories last week and only lost .50, that is about 300 less than what BMR says I can eat. But I have a lot of health problems that effects my metabolism, so I'm guessing that is why. I'm sticking to 1600 this week to see what happens next week on the scale, I really don't want to lower my calories anymore right now. I also swim for exercise and I don't eat my exercise calories. I feel you have to find what works for you, I don't have much faith in charts, we are all different and the charts don't know what we do 24/7. I hope you can find what works for you, its irritating when you work so hard and not lose and even more irritating when you gain.

    Sherry

    I have hashimoto's thyroiditis but i feel like giving up on MFP (and i dont want to) but every day i see more and more people losing tons of weight and I feel like i'm not even benefiting from this lifestyle change. blah
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    I wasnt sure of your age but I did a calculation for a female of your height and weight at 30 years old and it was 1925 so I guess your figure is correct. I thought it would be higher. I dont know, im curious to see what someone that knows this stuff will have to say.

    I'm 27.
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    What is your activity level?
  • sarahgilmore
    sarahgilmore Posts: 572 Member
    At 252 pounds I would think your BMR would be more than 1912 but I dont know that for sure. To lose two pounds a week you would need to cut 1000 calories a day and if your BMR is 1912 that means you would only eat 912 calories a day which is way too low. Hopefully someone that knows more than me will post and help you determine what your BMR actually is, if the one you have isnt correct. Your husband is partly correct. HRMs are never 100% acurate, however they can give you a pretty good estimate so you at least have something to go by.

    You're confusing BMR with maintenance
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    What is your activity level?

    i'm set to lightly active, because i'm currently unemployed but i try to get in at least 5 days of extensive exercise a week (sometimes 6)
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    Ok, so if you are 27, I came up with a BMR of 1939. If you are sedentary mulitply that by 1.2. Lightly active multiply by 1.375. Moderate active multiply by 1.5. Very active 1.725. extra active 1.9. Doing that will give you your daily calorie needs to maintain your current weight. The you can figure out what you need to do to lose.
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    Ok, so I have your BMR at 1939 and with lightly active you multiply that by 1.375 which is 2666. So if you ate 2666 calories a day you would maintain. So to lose two pounds a week you want to be at 1666. Now, dont change anything based on what I have just said because I am far from an expert. Maybe others will show up and verify what I have said or correct what I have wrong.
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    Ok, so if you are 27, I came up with a BMR of 1939. If you are sedentary mulitply that by 1.2. Lightly active multiply by 1.375. Moderate active multiply by 1.5. Very active 1.725. extra active 1.9. Doing that will give you your daily calorie needs to maintain your current weight. The you can figure out what you need to do to lose.

    Where did you get this info? MFP's BMR calculator gave me a different figure.

    Even if i did that (1939*1.375) and subtracted 1000 i get 1,666.125 and i eat less than that per day (without exercise).

    With this method, do you eat back the exercise calories? I usually don't eat them back, or if i do - i eat a smaller portion back.
  • If your around 33 years old, then that BMR is correct. If your staying within your calorie limit and exercising, I don't know what to tell you, other than keep at it and it has to come off. Don't go below 1200 calories, that could be dangerous. Are you taking your measurements? Maybe your losing inches right now, muscle does weigh more than fat, if your gaining muscle and losing fat, you could be losing inches?? Don't give up, if your doing what your suppose to do, it will all work out in the end. I am a lot heavier than you and my doctor told me to stay under 1500 calories a day, but she is a quack, I don't want to go that low right away so that way when I hit a plateau, I can lower my calories.

    Sherry
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    Also, since you are basing being lightly active on the fact that you work out 5 times a week, your exercise calories are already acounted for so I would think there is no need to eat back exercise calories. You could just set your goal at 1666 or just round to 1700, and be done with it. That should get you 2 pound a week loss or close to it.
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    This is where i got the calculations. http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    If your around 33 years old, then that BMR is correct. If your staying within your calorie limit and exercising, I don't know what to tell you, other than keep at it and it has to come off. Don't go below 1200 calories, that could be dangerous. Are you taking your measurements? Maybe your losing inches right now, muscle does weigh more than fat, if your gaining muscle and losing fat, you could be losing inches?? Don't give up, if your doing what your suppose to do, it will all work out in the end. I am a lot heavier than you and my doctor told me to stay under 1500 calories a day, but she is a quack, I don't want to go that low right away so that way when I hit a plateau, I can lower my calories.

    Sherry

    Well no, I'm only 27.
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    Also, since you are basing being lightly active on the fact that you work out 5 times a week, your exercise calories are already acounted for so I would think there is no need to eat back exercise calories. You could just set your goal at 1666 or just round to 1700, and be done with it. That should get you 2 pound a week loss or close to it.

    MFP doesn't calculate in the exercise calories....the exericse calories are what you earn (by working for them). The activity levels MFP sets are based on professions only (ie: a desk job vs a nurse vs a carpenter)
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    Also, since you are basing being lightly active on the fact that you work out 5 times a week, your exercise calories are already acounted for so I would think there is no need to eat back exercise calories. You could just set your goal at 1666 or just round to 1700, and be done with it. That should get you 2 pound a week loss or close to it.

    MFP doesn't calculate in the exercise calories....the exericse calories are what you earn (by working for them). The activity levels MFP sets are based on professions only (ie: a desk job vs a nurse vs a carpenter)

    I know, thats why you eat back calories when doing the MFP method. But I didnt use MFP. I Used the website I linked to. Since we set the activity level at lightly active base on working out 5 days a week the exercise calories are already acounted for in the calculation. Does that make sense?
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    I think you should be eating somewhere in the area of 1900 calories per day.
  • jutymo
    jutymo Posts: 162 Member
    Also, since you are basing being lightly active on the fact that you work out 5 times a week, your exercise calories are already acounted for so I would think there is no need to eat back exercise calories. You could just set your goal at 1666 or just round to 1700, and be done with it. That should get you 2 pound a week loss or close to it.

    MFP doesn't calculate in the exercise calories....the exericse calories are what you earn (by working for them). The activity levels MFP sets are based on professions only (ie: a desk job vs a nurse vs a carpenter)

    MFP DOES calcuate some ACTIVITY calories in there. BMR is calories needed to stay alive, i.e. someone in a coma. For a person, even sedintary, there are additional activity calories and MFP averages some in for everyone based on what you say when you register. If you log in additional exercise (over and above what MFP projects you use at your activity level) those are the calories that show up and give you more calories to eat.
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    I think a lot of people get confused with MFP because of the way they set it up. If you have a desk job but you work out 5 times a week so you set your activity level as lightly active, there is no need to eat back exercise calories because they are already acounted for in the activity level. On the other hand, if you have a desk job, but work out 5 times a week and set your activity level to sedentary, then you can eat back exercise calories because those calories arent accounted for.
  • Yeah...see, I don't understand that BMR either, if I went by BMR, I'd be gaining weight for sure. I wouldn't lower my calories to much more if I were you, but find what works for you, maybe try lowering to 1400 a day plus exercise. Remember though, you want to lose slow 1 - 2 pounds a week, you'll have a better chance of keeping it off that way. I'm no expert either, this is just my opinion. But I'm sure by time I'm down to 250, I'll be cutting my calories to 1300 or 1400 a day to lose weight, plus exercise and I don't eat my exercise calories. On MFP, you can set the amount of calories you want to eat a day, you don't have to use their information, but remember each time to change your weight MFP will change your calories amount, I have to correct it each time I record a new weight. Goodluck in your weight loss journey and don't give up....please don't give up, its hard work, but don't end up being like me....43, more health problems than I care to mention and a lot more to lose. I know a lot of people don't agree with me and say to eat more calories and eat exercise calories, but that doesn't work for me, you have to know your own body and trust yourself with what works for you.

    Sherry
  • It's not simply the amount of calories you eat. It's also the quality of calories you eat. Do you eat enough fat and protein or are your calories mainly from carbs?

    Do you eat enough green leafy veggies and get enough fiber?

    It sounds like you have a handle on your exercising - so as long as you're consistent you will see a changes.

    You may also want to consult your Dr or a nutritionist to get some extra advice since you're dealing with Hasimoto's.

    Hang in there and stay positive - the power of the mind helps a lot!
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    Yeah...see, I don't understand that BMR either, if I went by BMR, I'd be gaining weight for sure. I wouldn't lower my calories to much more if I were you, but find what works for you, maybe try lowering to 1400 a day plus exercise. Remember though, you want to lose slow 1 - 2 pounds a week, you'll have a better chance of keeping it off that way. I'm no expert either, this is just my opinion. But I'm sure by time I'm down to 250, I'll be cutting my calories to 1300 or 1400 a day to lose weight, plus exercise and I don't eat my exercise calories. On MFP, you can set the amount of calories you want to eat a day, you don't have to use their information, but remember each time to change your weight MFP will change your calories amount, I have to correct it each time I record a new weight. Goodluck in your weight loss journey and don't give up....please don't give up, its hard work, but don't end up being like me....43, more health problems than I care to mention and a lot more to lose. I know a lot of people don't agree with me and say to eat more calories and eat exercise calories, but that doesn't work for me, you have to know your own body and trust yourself with what works for you.



    Sherry

    That BMR calculation wouldnt have her lowering calories it would actually have her raising calories. She is doing 1530 now and the BMR calculation I used would raise that to roughly 1700


    Never mind. I see what youre saying.
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    It's not simply the amount of calories you eat. It's also the quality of calories you eat. Do you eat enough fat and protein or are your calories mainly from carbs?

    Do you eat enough green leafy veggies and get enough fiber?

    It sounds like you have a handle on your exercising - so as long as you're consistent you will see a changes.

    You may also want to consult your Dr or a nutritionist to get some extra advice since you're dealing with Hasimoto's.

    Hang in there and stay positive - the power of the mind helps a lot!


    Not sure about this. If eating 1500 calories gives you a 1000 calorie deficit, you could eat 1500 calories of Peanut M and Ms and it would still be a 1500 calorie deficit. It wouldnt be the healthiest way to go about it for sure but you would still, in theory, lose 2 pounds a week.
  • jenschnack
    jenschnack Posts: 112 Member
    MPFs BMR calculator calculates lower than any site I have found. I decided to try eating my BMR calories everyday and not eating my exercise calories. MPF says that I should eat 1230 calories to lose 1 lb a week. My BMR is about 1490. I exercise 3-5 times a week and burn 600-900 calories a week. This is my first week just eating my BMR. There are more posts about eating your BMR. Try it for a week it can't hurt. I tried eating the 1230 and exercise calories and I was losing 1 lb or less.
  • MDWilliams1857
    MDWilliams1857 Posts: 315 Member
    MPFs BMR calculator calculates lower than any site I have found. I decided to try eating my BMR calories everyday and not eating my exercise calories. MPF says that I should eat 1230 calories to lose 1 lb a week. My BMR is about 1490. I exercise 3-5 times a week and burn 600-900 calories a week. This is my first week just eating my BMR. There are more posts about eating your BMR. Try it for a week it can't hurt. I tried eating the 1230 and exercise calories and I was losing 1 lb or less.


    Interesting. So you just figured your BMR and ate that many calories? How much weight does that have you losing per week?
  • MountainMia
    MountainMia Posts: 242 Member
    I used my BMR and the Harris Benedict Equation then subtract my 1000 cals to lose 2ppw. It was within 300 cals of the MFP recommendation, but I feel more confident with knowing how it was done and trust it a bit more. I'm 33yo, 5'10"tall and 243lbs. I'm lightly active because I have 3 small kids that keep me moving and I DON'T count my laundry/dishes/housekeeping as exercise. My BMR is 1889.95. Using the Harris Benedict Equation for activity I multiply that by 1.375 and get 2593. To lose 2 lbs a week, I custom set my goal on MFP to 1590. I burn between 300 and 600 cals working out every day and eat back between 200 and 400 of those because I'm hungry enough to do so, but I don't make it a point to cram in cals if I don't want to. This helps give me a little wiggle room if my estimations for cals burned is too high, or my estimation for cals eaten is a bit low.

    The trouble with this method, is that MFP may not automatically adjust your custom set number as you lose weight as with the auto set. I suggest recalculating every 10 lbs or so to make sure you are on target and to possibly avoid a plateau. I also played with the % ages of proteins, carbs and fats to get numbers that work for me. I like being in the green at the end of the day and to feel more satisfied, I need more protein... especially with my exercise! My protein is set at about 120 g. pd. I've only been at this since Jan 9th, but I'm having amazing results. I don't feel deprived and it's something I can do and plan to do forever... well, minus cutting the 1000 cals a day to lose 2 lbs pw.

    Here is the site I used to do the quick calculations for the first step: http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

    Your BMR number should pop up in a skinny green bar at the top of the page, and you have to go to the Harris Benedict link to get the breakdown of activity levels to find your number to multiply that by to get your Caloric Need to Maintain. If your goal is 1ppw, subtract 500cals pd from that, 2ppw is -1000. Easy Peasy.

    If you have trouble with it, message me and I'll be happy to help you out. Even if you don't choose to use this as your customized goal, it's good to know what it is. :)
  • LilacDreamer
    LilacDreamer Posts: 1,364 Member
    It's not simply the amount of calories you eat. It's also the quality of calories you eat. Do you eat enough fat and protein or are your calories mainly from carbs?

    Do you eat enough green leafy veggies and get enough fiber?

    It sounds like you have a handle on your exercising - so as long as you're consistent you will see a changes.

    You may also want to consult your Dr or a nutritionist to get some extra advice since you're dealing with Hasimoto's.

    Hang in there and stay positive - the power of the mind helps a lot!

    I'm a vegetarian on a lifelong protein restricted diet (since birth). I'm allowed about 30 grams of protein from food and then medical (doctor prescribed) protein powder and drinks that each have 15 grams of protein (to make up what i can't take in from food).

    This medical protein costs about $5,000 a month, so i can't overdo it with them. I'm supposed to take 2 per day (and i think 3 if i get to the gym that day but my nutritionist is on vacation this week so i cant ask)

    30 grams of protein (from food) adds up pretty quickly, so most of my diet is comprised of vegetables and carbs.

    And i do not eat much fat...yesterday i had 11 grams of fat, but typically i have about 20 or so, and less than 10 saturated,