What would you say?

KJVBear33
KJVBear33 Posts: 628
edited November 2024 in Chit-Chat
Who here has had the misfortune of seeing overly obese people? I am talking about larger than 450 pounds (or what may seem clearly over that)

AND

If you could say anything to these people without getting them offended, what would you say knowing what you know about health, nutrition, and exercise right now?

I think I would go up to them and say how could you let yourself go this much? I am really really scared for you and your health. It pains me to see such a beautiful person like yourself be subjected to all the things that could put your life at risk. Do you think that I could help you out? Be a work out buddy?

Just know that I care for you.........

And believe me when I say this, I care for everyone here and their weightloss journey. I love hearing everyone's stories and also helping people out just as much as getting help from you guys. This is an awesome place to be!! :)

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  • runnercheryl
    runnercheryl Posts: 1,314 Member
    Ooh, interesting one. As I said in my other thread, my fiance is morbidly obese, and it's hard to know what to say. Any comment comes out wrong, no matter how tactful I intend to be.

    If I say I'm proud when he selects something healthier or decides to go for a jog, I'm putting pressure on. If I gently nudge ("have you checked the sodium/calories in that?") I can offend. If I tell him the truth (that I just want him to be happy, and if that means eating himself to an early grave, so be it), I end up making him feel guilty when that's not the intention at all. I should add that I don't actually use those words, they sound a bit harsh! He knows he does this, so he's getting better at accepting my 'nudges', which are the approach I tend to take naturally, as just that.

    I'd never comment on anyone else's weight - I only mention it to my fiance because it's something that comes up regularly in conversation, particularly as he's the one who does all the cooking and he ends up having to weigh things out for me. After all, I was happy being obese for quite some time until I found my reason to change.
  • FlyByJuly
    FlyByJuly Posts: 564 Member
    I would say nothing. It's not my business, and I'm sure the person has had more encounters, confrontations, insults, etc than they care to have had with perfect strangers about their weight, whether it be in the form of rudeness or well-meant "caring" comments. It's nice that you want to show somebody that you care, but honestly, I don't think it would be very often that a person would accept being approached in such a way. Just my thoughts.
  • AllanMisner
    AllanMisner Posts: 4,140 Member
    I wouldn't say anything, but with non-verbal cues would let my friend know what we both know. Change or die early.

    As for the fiance part, that is even tougher. Anything you say is nagging, but his problem will be your problem. It goes beyond weighing food. You may be a very young widow.
  • jenj1313
    jenj1313 Posts: 898 Member
    Obviously, the idea of walking up to someone and saying this out of the blue is contrived, but I'm a physical therapist and when I talk to patients about their weight, I always make sure to tell them that their weight is not the only thing that is causing their pain.

    So many health care providers blame everything on weight. My mom was morbidly obese, well over 300 lbs before gastric bypass, and she has never had high cholesterol, high BP or been pre-diabetic. My dad on the other hand is 5'9", probably about 165 lbs, and does have high cholesterol and high BP.

    That's not to say that weight doesn't contribute, but I find that patients have been told it's "all my weight" so many times that they start to feel hopeless. Most of them don't want to be overweight, but they don't know how to change it. So blaming other issues on weight alone just isn't productive, even if we know there's a link.

    I always ask if the patient has depression or a painful past that makes them overeat. If they do, they are usually very relieved that someone finally asked. Obviously, that's not my area to treat (wrong kind of therapy!), but just acknowledging that can be huge. If they don't think that's the issue, it's important to figure out what the issue is. Sometimes, I can do that... sometimes they needs a nutritionist or a counsellor. They don't always take my referrals, but when they do, you can see some big changes.

    For me, the biggest thing is to not make a stigma out of their weight. I treat it a lot like any other medical condition... you can't treat it without knowing the cause and the appropriate treatment regimen. "Just stop eating so much" is rarely the right treatment, but I think it's the one most often used by front line providers, which is too bad really.
  • I'm a CNA at the local university hospital here in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I see overly obese individuals on a regular basis. Unfortunately, many of the bariatric patients are in the hospital BECAUSE of his or her weight issues; whether it may be diabetes, congestive heart failure, hypertension, heart disease, or any of the other obesity-related illnesses. Many of these individuals cannot perform normal activities of a normal person. Since my job is to assist with activities of daily living, I try and promote as much independence of the patient as possible. If they can get up, I tell them to get up. If they can turn on their own, I tell them to turn on their own. Move, move, move! It's not a matter of if it is my business or not, it's a matter of life or death. His or her weight issue could potentially and most likely lead to a premature death. Yes, it is a harsh reality, but the health and wellness of the individual should not only be the priority of the hospital staff, but also of the individual and the individual's loved ones.
  • runnercheryl
    runnercheryl Posts: 1,314 Member
    I wouldn't say anything, but with non-verbal cues would let my friend know what we both know. Change or die early.

    As for the fiance part, that is even tougher. Anything you say is nagging, but his problem will be your problem. It goes beyond weighing food. You may be a very young widow.

    Exactly that. My approach is, and my fiance knows it:

    I am terrified of being alone at a relatively young age. I know it's going to happen, and I'm already taking precautions including building up my own private savings and looking into mortgages (on the off chance that we ever can afford a deposit) that allow the debt to be wiped if one person of the couple passes away. However, my utmost concern is for his happiness. If the choices are between having him for a long time, knowing he's struggling with his weight and isn't living life the way he wants, or losing him when we're both young but being able to console myself with the fact that he was happy just eating junk food, watching TV and playing games, I'd far rather the second one. Being alone early is something that haunts me daily now that I'm living a healthy lifestyle, but it's likely to happen and I want to be able to sit on my own in thirty years and know that he didn't spend his days feeling tortured by forcing himself to be healthy if he didn't have the right motivation.
  • Awesome answers ladies........of course you know I would never in a million years go up to someone and actually say those words, much less those specific words even if.........in a randomly insane moment.........that I would say anything. I just feel for them is all. I care a great deal, but at the end of the day, the only way to show anyone.........be it friend or total stranger that just happens to see me a lot because we frequent the same places.........is through actions of what you are doing for you in health concerns.

    If it was a friend, I'd think I'd do as you ladies.....give a subtle hint........but not one that will point it out nor embarrase. I do have a friend who is heavy, but he is really working hard on it finally and honestly, he is my inspiration.........my one person that I look up to entirely in this realm of things because he's actually lost over 100 pounds.........thats basically a person!! He lost a person!!
  • HisPathDaily
    HisPathDaily Posts: 672 Member
    If you don't have a real relationship with the person, anything you say will be (rightfully so) seen as easy judgement without knowing their story.

    Everyone has a story ...

    If you "do" have a real relationship/friendship, it's up to you (knowing the relationship) to decide when and if you say something ... only you will know who and when.
  • If you don't have a real relationship with the person, anything you say will be (rightfully so) seen as easy judgement without knowing their story.

    Everyone has a story ...

    If you "do" have a real relationship/friendship, it's up to you (knowing the relationship) to decide when and if you say something ... only you will know who and when.

    LOVE IT ^^..........all too true too. Also, love your profile pic!!
  • AlmstHvn
    AlmstHvn Posts: 376 Member
    There's a man that started working out at my gym that I would guess is around 400-500 lbs. I want him to know that I cheer inwardly for him, that I respect the mental strength it takes to walk through that door every time.

    And yet if someone had come up to me and said ANYthing when I started (5'3" and almost 300 lbs) I would have been mortified - and likely never gone back in again. I didn't want to be singled out, pointed out, noticed - and I still don't. The things that drove me to that point are so very painful - I don't want to look at them myself, much less have others "know" something about it. That's what keeps me from talking to the guy, or anyone, really.

    I think if they're ready and willing to let others in, they will initiate the conversation. But please please please don't look over with sympathetic, pitying looks.
  • There's a man that started working out at my gym that I would guess is around 400-500 lbs. I want him to know that I cheer inwardly for him, that I respect the mental strength it takes to walk through that door every time.

    And yet if someone had come up to me and said ANYthing when I started (5'3" and almost 300 lbs) I would have been mortified - and likely never gone back in again. I didn't want to be singled out, pointed out, noticed - and I still don't. The things that drove me to that point are so very painful - I don't want to look at them myself, much less have others "know" something about it. That's what keeps me from talking to the guy, or anyone, really.

    I think if they're ready and willing to let others in, they will initiate the conversation. But please please please don't look over with sympathetic, pitying looks.

    Totally get the last part (actually, I get all of it, but especially the last bit). I feel the same way.......there have been people like that at my gym, I look their way..........nod and smile.........and go about my business and its all cool and easy breezy! They are people like you and me, so no staring should take place nor with sympathetic looks either. Look at them like you would any other person........look at them with encouragement and happiness!! Encouragement is always a key factor in anything that you are starting to do for yourself!
  • thatsnumberwang
    thatsnumberwang Posts: 398 Member
    Am I the only one that finds this question remarkably condescending? Obese people have the internet too. They can learn how to eat healthy and make changes if they want to, just like you did. And the fact that they're still obese doesn't mean they don't know everything you know. We all make unhealthy choices sometimes, even when we "know better." Obese people don't need you to tell them anything.
  • Cortx
    Cortx Posts: 103 Member
    I would not say anything to them. its there busines. some people are really big for certain reasons. i know someone who is 400 pounds because of a medical issue and she actually exercises, and eats healthier and way less then a thin person but yet does not lose a pound,. I also know someone who is 400 pounds who is flat out lazy and eats fst food everyday and has no intentions or care to lose weight at all. Thats her problem, let her kill herself from obesity at a young age.

    I think your post is kind of rude.
  • NeuroticVirgo
    NeuroticVirgo Posts: 3,671 Member
    Obviously, the idea of walking up to someone and saying this out of the blue is contrived, but I'm a physical therapist and when I talk to patients about their weight, I always make sure to tell them that their weight is not the only thing that is causing their pain.

    So many health care providers blame everything on weight. My mom was morbidly obese, well over 300 lbs before gastric bypass, and she has never had high cholesterol, high BP or been pre-diabetic. My dad on the other hand is 5'9", probably about 165 lbs, and does have high cholesterol and high BP.

    That's not to say that weight doesn't contribute, but I find that patients have been told it's "all my weight" so many times that they start to feel hopeless. Most of them don't want to be overweight, but they don't know how to change it. So blaming other issues on weight alone just isn't productive, even if we know there's a link.

    I always ask if the patient has depression or a painful past that makes them overeat. If they do, they are usually very relieved that someone finally asked. Obviously, that's not my area to treat (wrong kind of therapy!), but just acknowledging that can be huge. If they don't think that's the issue, it's important to figure out what the issue is. Sometimes, I can do that... sometimes they needs a nutritionist or a counsellor. They don't always take my referrals, but when they do, you can see some big changes.

    For me, the biggest thing is to not make a stigma out of their weight. I treat it a lot like any other medical condition... you can't treat it without knowing the cause and the appropriate treatment regimen. "Just stop eating so much" is rarely the right treatment, but I think it's the one most often used by front line providers, which is too bad really.

    I don't have any serious health issues (only PCOS really), and though I was considered morbidly obese at 270lbs, never felt like I was...it was very frustrating to always have my weight brought up at the doctors. It seemed like no matter what I went in for, check up, cough, boob exam it all came back to "the talk" about my weight, and how if I lost weight I wouldn't have any problems (so apparently I would never catch a cold?). Sorry to take your post and go on and off rant, but I when I read it I remembered the frustration.
  • I won't say anything unless they are asking for some weight loss advice or my opinion about their obesity, then thats the time I will tell. First of all obesity is a result of many factors like hypotyroidism, PCOS, genetics, metabolic problems & many more. Many times its not because of overeating so its not fair to judge anyone of them to be a glutton. Second we don't know the root cause. Obesity is just the aftermath effect of all of the factors involved.

    Although I know we do care for them but there are times that its better to keep our mouth shut.
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