Black toes from running - Uuuggh, ugly!!

Hynes13
Hynes13 Posts: 34 Member
edited November 11 in Fitness and Exercise
Anybody else get black toes from running?? I have just started this running thing and I am not impressed! My running shoes are definitely not too small for me. When I am running I can feel that my toes are hurting so I try to think about spreading them out a little and changing my style of running but nothing is working at the moment. One of my toe nails has actually fallen off and is a disgusting black colour now and another three still have the nail but are slowly turning black. How do I stop this from happening??

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  • atjays
    atjays Posts: 797 Member
    It sounds like you need to see a doctor. Are you running outdoors or on a treadmill?
  • junyr
    junyr Posts: 416 Member
    Go to a real shoestore that specializes i running and get fitted for a proper pair of shoes that fit your feet and let them show you how tight they should be.

    You'll be surprised what you don't know about how to wear shoes while running.
  • junyr
    junyr Posts: 416 Member
    Anybody else get black toes from running?? I have just started this running thing and I am not impressed! My running shoes are definitely not too small for me. When I am running I can feel that my toes are hurting so I try to think about spreading them out a little and changing my style of running but nothing is working at the moment. One of my toe nails has actually fallen off and is a disgusting black colour now and another three still have the nail but are slowly turning black. How do I stop this from happening??

    Give this a read..

    http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/injury_archives/black_toe.html



    Over my 40 years of running, I've had hundreds of black toenails. The following is my advice in avoiding and treating this problem. This is offered as experience passed from one runner to another. You should always confer with a doctor who knows about running injuries when you have a medical problem.
    Almost everyone who runs gets a black toenail. Getting your first one is a sign that you've moved your training into a higher level. While most runners blame a shoe that is too small, this is often not the primary cause. Certainly toe pressure from the shoe can make the toe hurt even more, but pressure from underneath seems to produce more black nails.
    If a toe is under pressure from the shoe or a sock that is too tight or too thick, the sustained pressure, step after step, produces an impact or a friction problem between the toenail and the tissue surrounding it. When the tissue gets damaged, fluid accumulates. The red or black color is the result of a few blood capillaries that become broken in the process. The more fluid that accumulates, the more pain. The extra fluid, colored by some blood, accumulates below the toenail. When the pressure gets too great, the existing toenail will be separated from the "toenail in training," which is located below the current nail. Even if it takes several months, the blackened outer nail will drop off, leaving the new nail below. Sometimes the pressure of the fluid, will warp the new nail, but it will get smoother as it grows out.
    But most of the pressure that results in this "toenail injury" is produced by the regular action of the foot coming forward, thousands of times every 5K. Each time your foot swings forward, a little extra blood is pushed into the toe region due to the force of the foot coming forward. If you increase your distance regularly and very gradually, your toes will adjust to each new maximum distance and only complain when you extend farther. In a marathon training program, almost everyone gets at least one black toenail. Running faster than you should be running, at any time during a long run, will increase the chance of this injury.
    Hot weather also improves your odds of getting one. When it's warm, your feet swell more than they would on cold days. Because there is more pressure, and more fluid, there are more black nails generated during the summer months.
    You'll reduce the chance of a black nail if you ensure that you have enough room in your toe area when you fit your shoes. At least half an inch is needed, when you're standing in the prospective shoes (in the sitting position, the toes aren't all the way forward). If you've had a history of black toenails and summer is approaching (or here), you may want more toe room. When you add more room at the end, ensure that the arch of the shoe matches up with your arch. Also, run in the shoe before you buy it to make sure that your foot doesn't slide forward as you're running, which can aggravate the toe more than a tight toe box.
    It's best to take no action on black toenails, if the pain is manageable. About 24 hours after the long or fast run which produced the problem toe, you can decide whether the pain is tolerable. It usually lessens each day thereafter. About 80 percent of the black toe problems are best treated by ignoring them. The damaged part of the nail is gradually pushed out, and the foot slowly returns to normal. If at any point you see the redness associated with infection, see a doctor.
    If the toe hurts too much, especially 24 hours later, you should release the pressure underneath by one of two methods. It's always better to have this done by a doctor, but I've heard from hundreds of runners who've done this by themselves without any significant problems. It's up to you.
    1. If the edge of the fluid is near the tip of the toenail, a sharp sewing needle can do the job. Sterilize it by putting it in the flame of a match or lighter until the tip becomes red hot. Be sure to insulate the end of the needle so that you aren't holding it directly with your fingers. After a couple of minutes, when the needle is cool, send it into the thin layer of skin, at the edge of the toenail, where you see water underneath. Let the water come out. Enlarge the hole slightly and insert some triple antibiotic cream up underneath, squeezing it around to speed up the healing time.
    2. If the fluid is in the center of the nail, sterilize a paper clip by putting it in the flame of a match or lighter until the tip becomes red hot. As in # 1 above, make sure that your fingers are insulated from directly touching the paperclip. While it is red, place the clip into the center of the fluid area. It will quickly melt the nail, producing a nice round hole by which the fluid can escape. As in # 1 above, squirt some triple antibiotic cream underneath, squeezing it around to speed up the healing time.
    These methods may seem like something out of a torture textbook, but they don't have to hurt. Again, if you have any doubts, see a doctor.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    I clicked because I thought there would be pictures. WTF is wrong with me?
  • Trail_Addict
    Trail_Addict Posts: 1,340 Member
    It is a part of running. Talk to any veteran runner, and they'll tell you that eventually it will happen. When it starts to happen, be sure to tape the old nail down in place. You want to keep it on the nail bed so the new nail doesn't grow back in-grown.

    If you run down hills, you want to get shoes a half size larger than your normal sized shoes.

    Rest assured... it's gonna happen when you are a runner; no two ways about it!
  • "I clicked because I thought there would be pictures. WTF is wrong with me?"

    me too -_-
  • Hynes13
    Hynes13 Posts: 34 Member
    I am running outside, no treadmill. I did get these shoes fitted at a proper running shop, so not sure what's happening. Last of all.......believe me, you definitely don't want to see pictures!!!
  • beckylawrence70
    beckylawrence70 Posts: 752 Member
    I run and NEVER experienced that, very strange, yeah, time to see a dr........
  • agleckle
    agleckle Posts: 235 Member
    I am currently in the process of re-growing both of my big toe toenails from running half marathons... I decided to get my running shoes 1/2 size bigger than my real size and it has helped tremendously when my feet swell during running!!
  • I clicked because I thought there would be pictures. WTF is wrong with me?

    LOOOL .....you are not alone....gosh Im messed....
  • Hynes13
    Hynes13 Posts: 34 Member
    Thanks junyr, that was really helpful. Think I will go by this and see a doctor if it gets worse. I knew my MFP buddies would help me out!!
  • missym357
    missym357 Posts: 210 Member
    I competed in Irish dancing throughout my childhood until I went to college and was always had black toenails. For me it was from the pressure of the shoe (the soft shoes have little support unless they are very, very tight) and/or floor pressing on the tops of my toes, pushing on the nails and bruising them. It did help to have my nails reasonably short (but not too short or I'd have an ingrown toenail which also sucks), but I never really stopped it completely. Eventually the nails would fall off. Your toes are probably getting a lot of pressure, either from the tips or from the top down. Maybe sizing the shoe up would help? I would go back to the shoe shop and see what they have to say. They have probably dealt with it before if it's a good running shop.
  • I clicked because I thought there would be pictures. WTF is wrong with me?

    ha ha! same here!!:laugh:
  • tomwashere
    tomwashere Posts: 11 Member
    I'm a little surprised it happened and you have just started this running thing. I usually associate it with running very long distances. I used to have this problem but was regularly doing runs longer than 30 miles. What type of mileage are you doing? If you have just started, you may just be increasing the load too quickly.

    The best foot book for running is "Fixing Your Feet" by John Vonhof. It mostly deals with blisters and hot spots. I don't remember if he dealt with this, but he also has a web site which may help. (http://fixingyourfeet.com/)

    A few ideas from my experience.
    1. Make sure there is enough toe room in the shoes. They may be long enough but not wide enough.
    2. Make sure the shoes are secured tight enough if you are doing any tough downhill running. (I've had issues before from the feet sliding forward in the shoes on steep downhills.)
    3. Trim and file the nails carefully. Any rough place on the nails will snag the sock and cause you problems.
    4. Finally, for long trail runs I like to wear toe socks with a thin layer over them. It is more to keep the toes from rubbing together, but it could be useful in this case too. Injinji makes great running toe socks.
  • wolfchild59
    wolfchild59 Posts: 2,608 Member
    Look at it as a badge of honor that you've taken your running to the next level. ;)

    Seriously though, the more I increase my distances week over week, the more I can feel a slight throb in the tips of my toes at the end of each long run. I'm sort of expecting to be grossed out when I take off my shoes by sometime in April at this rate. lol
  • Pebble321
    Pebble321 Posts: 6,423 Member
    Useful stuff here, thanks everyone. I had two black toenail last year when I was training for a half marathon. My new shoes are a little longer than the previous pair and I haven't had any problems yet - but I haven't built back up to longer mileage so I guess I will have to wait and see.
    OP - good luck!
  • Hynes13
    Hynes13 Posts: 34 Member
    tomwashere..........I am running 12km every second day (not huge distances). I started running seriously at the beginning of this year. I started at 5km runs straight away and have slowly built up to my regular 12km runs. Think I will have a good talk to the shoe shop and explain my situation next time I have to get a new pair of shoes and probably try going half a size bigger as per the suggestions. Happy running!!
  • AriadneSnow
    AriadneSnow Posts: 131 Member
    I would go see a doctor just in case. I would also immediately get shoes with more toe room, continuing to run such distances in tight shoes is probably not a good idea. Perhaps you could talk to the shoe shop about a discount on a second pair because they obviously didn't give you the proper shoe for you.
  • tomwashere
    tomwashere Posts: 11 Member
    That is a pretty large load for only having been running two months. Still, it doesn't seem so excessive as to cause the toe problem. Just remember that not everything in our body responds to training at the same rate. Cardio fitness may be improving rapidly making you feel you are ready to increase the speed and mileage while muscles, tendons, etc. are lagging behind.

    I would still be more inclined to think this is shoe or sock related.
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