Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease
callmeBAM
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Interested? Here is an excerpt, link to article below...
"The rest of us have simply followed the recommended mainstream diet that is low in fat and high in polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates, not knowing we were causing repeated injury to our blood vessels. This repeated injury creates chronic inflammation leading to heart disease, stroke, diabetes and obesity.
What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.
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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/242516-World-Renown-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease
"The rest of us have simply followed the recommended mainstream diet that is low in fat and high in polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates, not knowing we were causing repeated injury to our blood vessels. This repeated injury creates chronic inflammation leading to heart disease, stroke, diabetes and obesity.
What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.
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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/242516-World-Renown-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease
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I just had a friend post this to Facebook. Very interesting! I'm glad I love fruits and veggies but it is a struggle for me to stay away from processed foods.0
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I've been hearing this for a number of years now! It's really the over-processing of foods that is rampant now that really causes a lot of the chronic health problems we are seeing.0
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You would be an excellent candidate for primal/paleo lifestyle ...0
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In other news: Car Mechanic Speaks Out On What Why My Wife is A Bad Driver0
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It's because she's a woman0 -
Yeah no.0
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Good article!0
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Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion. And everyone is entitled to try and sell a book (like Dr. Lundell).
That said, what I find missing from this article are any references to peer reviewed medical studies, or any studies for that matter.
I'm certainly not pro processed foods, but to state that cholesterol isn't culpable with heart disease, and that a low fat diet is causative of heart disease, seems to fly in the face of accepted medical knowledge per peer reviewed studies.
Two diets (both high in carbs and very low in fat) are the Dean Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn diets. Both are very high in carbs and very low in fats. And both have peer reviewed studies to back up their claims of actually *reversing* heart disease. In fact, the Ornish diet as well as the Pritikin diet (similar) are both partially reimbursed by Medicare for example. Not because of their opinions, but because of the studies that show these diets can actually work.
Here's another discussion about Dr. Lundell and his diet on another forum. A number of interesting points are made:
http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28150
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Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion. And everyone is entitled to try and sell a book (like Dr. Lundell).
That said, what I find missing from this article are any references to peer reviewed medical studies, or any studies for that matter.
I'm certainly not pro processed foods, but to state that cholesterol isn't culpable with heart disease, and that a low fat diet is causative of heart disease, seems to fly in the face of accepted medical knowledge per peer reviewed studies.
Two diets (both high in carbs and very low in fat) are the Dean Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn diets. Both are very high in carbs and very low in fats. And both have peer reviewed studies to back up their claims of actually *reversing* heart disease. In fact, the Ornish diet as well as the Pritikin diet (similar) are both partially reimbursed by Medicare for example. Not because of their opinions, but because of the studies that show these diets can actually work.
Here's another discussion about Dr. Lundell and his diet on another forum. A number of interesting points are made:
http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28150
-- James
Even though Dr. Lundell has credibility problems, there is science to back up his claims. Most of the research that blamed dietary fat and cholesterol for cardiovascular disease is stemmed back to the lipid hypothesis BS from the 50s. There are newer studies showing that refined carbs have a more negative effect on cardiovascular disease than saturated fat or cholesterol. One example is the study below, and there are more studies that will say the same thing.
http://www.njmonline.nl/getpdf.php?t=a&id=100007560 -
The study you cite was based on a diet of over 30% fat, not on the <10% low fat, high carb diet promoted by Drs. Essenstyn, Ornish and McDougall
Here's one of the Ornish studies that literally goes to the heart of the matter (pun intended:) ie it actually measures the growth or reduction of coronary plaque in the Ornish group (high carb, very low fat diet) versus the control.
And this isn't "BS from the 50s" as you suggest, but science. And yes, Dr. Lundall does have credibility problems for anyone willing to dig a little.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/280/23/2001.full
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Dr. Lundell´s article has received phenomenal attention and it has caught the eye of news media. It touches on a number of important issues concerning cardiovascular disease in general. To me the article unfortunately appears a bit like it is written by a preacher or a politician who has to sell a message whatever the costs. The article lacks the professional approach of a scientist who carefully examines available scientific data before drawing conclusions.
Please visit my blog at
http://www.docsopinion.com/2012/03/what-is-it-that-really-causes-heart.html0 -
bump great reading thank you0
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I have totally cut out processed foods and am eating naturally. I feel more satisfied, there is more flavor and I am losing weight very quickly. I'm also Gluten free and non dairy (except feta and mozarella cheese 3x a week). Almond milk is my standard now.
The rough part is going to the grocery store 3-4x a week to pick up fresh healthy fruit and vegetables. I eat nuts and berries, fish and chicken. It's easy, clean and healthy!!
Oh i'm off my blood pressure drugs now. No more issues there.
My food diary is open if you want to see what I eat. I haven't weighed in for 1 month, but I'm down at least 6 inches in the last 2 weeks.0 -
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Previous Poster: Dr. Lundell´s article has received phenomenal attention and it has caught the eye of news media. It touches on a number of important issues concerning cardiovascular disease in general. To me the article unfortunately appears a bit like it is written by a preacher or a politician who has to sell a message whatever the costs. The article lacks the professional approach of a scientist who carefully examines available scientific data before drawing conclusions.
Actually, sounds more like something written by a PR firm to sell a book. Here is what Quack Watch.org has to say about Dr. Lundell
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/lundell.html0 -
Primal avoids all that crap - love it!0
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Your oratory skills are truly mesmerizing.0 -
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpots/quackpots/barrett.htm
Thanks, that was one of the funniest things I've read in ages! (you may want to look into the so-called consumer advocate that published this comedy)0 -
Your oratory skills are truly mesmerizing.
As is your nutritional knowledge0 -
Previous Poster: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpots/quackpots/barrett.htm
http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html
Apparently "quackpotwatch" was set up by "quackwatch" detractors specifically do discredit its founder. Haven't really read anything negative about it's founder from independent and reliable sources.
And while I haven't studied in depth the whole soap operish tale on quackpotwatch, there was something written about a 2003 court decision where journalists would/should stop citing the quackwatch site. And yet, both Time Magazine and Lancet have quoted the site and it's founder favorable since. That's about all I care to discuss on the quack fight LOL
But back to the the actually topic -- Dr. Lundell and his claims.
His statements still sound like a press release to sell his book and nutritional supplements.
Did he do any studies? Did he cite any studies? Any peer review? Again-- both Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. Esselystyn have studies to show that a very low fat, high carb diet can reverse arteriosclerosis. And that cholesterol levels *are* important.
Yes, Lundell, mixes into the brew some legitimate claims (like processed food being bad) and touches on the hot topic of "inflammation", but that in no way justifies or supports many of the claims he ends up with.
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I truly beleive refined carbs are bad -for me at least. I feel sick and sluggish immediately after I eat bad carbs. Like I just ate poison. They are addictive for me too. Remember I am only applying this to myself. I am sure other people can eat any carb and feel fine.
I try to eat good carbs: fruit, berries, naturally grown/non-gmo wheat bread.
There is also genetic cholesterol that is in part responsible for heart disease. In those genetically predisposed.0 -
Interesting article-thanks for sharing it!
Personally, I don't think there's any harm in eating a clean diet. Eliminating processed foods sure can't hurt!0 -
Interested? Here is an excerpt, link to article below...
"The rest of us have simply followed the recommended mainstream diet that is low in fat and high in polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates, not knowing we were causing repeated injury to our blood vessels. This repeated injury creates chronic inflammation leading to heart disease, stroke, diabetes and obesity.
What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.
"
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/242516-World-Renown-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease
Yes, there is an element of common sense in suggesting we eat cleaner but where are the peer reviewed studies? Where is the proof in his hypothesis? If he is correct we could eliminate heart disease by eating a bowl of blueberries every day, again I go back to......where are the studies?
Let's also not forget he was stripped of his medical license in 2008 which hurts his credibility .0 -
I was once told that, half of all doctors graduate medical school in the bottom 50% of their class. Just something to think about.0
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Interesting read! Thanks so much for sharing. Reaffirmed my clean eating habits.0
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