Still confused about eating back cals!!

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  • alise_lmx
    alise_lmx Posts: 292 Member
    most people on mfp seem to say to eat them back. Personally, if I'm hungry (which I usually am anyway after working out), I'll eat them back, but if I'm not, I don't stress about it. I listen to my body instead of to people freaking out about "starvation mode" :) I have to say I don't believe in the "starvation mode" thing bc if that was true, how would anorexic people lose weight? And I doubt a few days here and there of being under will hurt you. Just stay smart about what you eat, and if you're hungry, eat! :)
    Starvation mode is before your body hits an anorexic state. Yes is you starve yourself long enough then you will lose weight. Obviously not healthy.

    I don't know I just remember in high school and college when my friends and I would be stupid and try to lose weight, of course all we did was just try to not eat. And it worked. And I think it works for most people. Of course that's not a good solution, I'm not advocating for people to do it, but that's my experience with it. I don't personally try to go under on calories now, I rarely go under the arbitrary 1200. When I have plateaued since I've been on mfp (2 big ones, one lasted 3 months), it has definitely not been because I wasn't eating enough calories. I think that starvation mode is probably what happens when someone is ACTUALLY, LITERALLY starving, and when their body has literally no more fat, it has to turn to muscle for fuel. I don't think it is anything most people on mfp have to worry about, or we probably wouldn't be here :)
  • Becky_Boodle
    Becky_Boodle Posts: 253 Member
    Eat your base caloric intake. The other is a bonus.. If you abstain from the extra calories given to you from working out you end up losing more belly fat. That's what I've learned.

    Unless your base caloric intake is 1200...
    You need to at least NET 1200 not total 1200...
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
    most people on mfp seem to say to eat them back. Personally, if I'm hungry (which I usually am anyway after working out), I'll eat them back, but if I'm not, I don't stress about it. I listen to my body instead of to people freaking out about "starvation mode" :) I have to say I don't believe in the "starvation mode" thing bc if that was true, how would anorexic people lose weight? And I doubt a few days here and there of being under will hurt you. Just stay smart about what you eat, and if you're hungry, eat! :)
    Starvation mode is before your body hits an anorexic state. Yes is you starve yourself long enough then you will lose weight. Obviously not healthy.

    I don't know I just remember in high school and college when my friends and I would be stupid and try to lose weight, of course all we did was just try to not eat. And it worked. And I think it works for most people. Of course that's not a good solution, I'm not advocating for people to do it, but that's my experience with it. I don't personally try to go under on calories now, I rarely go under the arbitrary 1200. When I have plateaued since I've been on mfp (2 big ones, one lasted 3 months), it has definitely not been because I wasn't eating enough calories. I think that starvation mode is probably what happens when someone is ACTUALLY, LITERALLY starving, and when their body has literally no more fat, it has to turn to muscle for fuel. I don't think it is anything most people on mfp have to worry about, or we probably wouldn't be here :)

    I was (unknowingly) eating 800-900 calories a day for about 6 months after losing quite a bit of weight, and I didn't lose a pound, not a single pound. Call it what you like, but it's like that article "700 calories and not losing" or whatever it is that sleepytexan posts often in these types of threads.
  • SoozeE512
    SoozeE512 Posts: 439 Member
    Congratulations on your weight loss since you started! I'm sure that your exercise plan is helping a lot!

    My advice is to try to plan ahead for the calories you should get in a day, and then after a workout, if you're hungry and want to add something extra into your day, go ahead, you've earned it!

    But that doesn't necessarily mean that you need to eat ALL of your calories back, especially if you want to keep losing a lot of weight. Drinking lots of water will help you feel satiated if you want to have a small snack after a workout so that you can eat some calories back without overdoing it.

    But if you're going to eat some calories back, make sure they're healthy choices because while you may have calories to spare, you don't want to go overboard with saturated fats and sugars and sodium - or trans fats for that matter, which are nearly impossible to burn off.
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
    I say no. No, you should not eat back your calories unless you are on maintenance or trying to increase muscle mass. My reasoning is this. Have you ever previously been on a diet that gave you a restrictive calorie intake and then turned around and told you that it was flexible? My guess is that you have not. Nor do you need to be on 1200cal/day.

    Think about what is reasonable for you. I have mine set at 1600. Educate yourself and make choices as to how much protein/fiber/etc etc you believe you need. My goal is 100g protein and a minimum of 25g fiber daily. protein and fiber keep you fuller longer. This is a fact, not my 2 cents.

    Think about it. If you are eating back the calories you are burning, how in the world are you going to lose weight? Unless you are trying to gain weight or build muscle, that is the wrong way to do it. It's just common sense really.

    BTW, I'm losing on avg 2#/week

    You unknowingly pointed out how MFP is different. The typical weight loss plan is: you're going to exercise x days per week for x amount of time and the rest of the time you are x active - so eat this amount everyday. If you ate that amount and didn't exercise to meet your set goal, you wouldn't lose weight, or not quickly anyway.

    On MFP, your calorie goal is set up to fuel your body while losing weight without any exercise at all (though you can customize). So while on the old plan you might be eating 1600 or 1800 a day and exercising to help create a deficit, here you may be eating 1200 or 1400 (or higher - lots of ladies here eat LOADS and look great), then you add exercise in and suddenly your deficit is bigger, possibly too big for healthy weight loss. So you eat some back, and you end up back at the 1800 or whatever of other plans.

    The very point is that MFP doesn't work like the typical weight loss/fitness program. Eating your exercise calories does not get rid of your deficit, it maintains the one you asked MFP to set you up for.
  • McKayMachina
    McKayMachina Posts: 2,670 Member
    I could tell you what to do and contradict half the people who've replied so far...

    OR

    you could try one for 8 weeks and if it doesn't work try the other.

    What do you think?
  • s0ready
    s0ready Posts: 99
    bump to read later
  • kanmuri
    kanmuri Posts: 112
    I eat them back and I'm still losing weight, so I guess it's fine. If I didn't eat them back I would end up dying of starvation.
  • SteveHunt113
    SteveHunt113 Posts: 648 Member
    It's funny how this concept both confuses people and brings out those in favor of and against it. My personal philosophy is this:

    I know I need about 2600 calories a day to maintain my weight. I indicated I wanted to lose a half a pound per week. MFP took this 2600 calories a day, and subtracted 250 calories (250 * 7 = 1750: half of the 3500 calories in 1 pound). So my daily caloric intake was 2350. Now, if I burned 500 calories EXTRA during my workout, and didn't eat them back, my deficit would be 750 calories per day, which is 1.5 pounds weight loss per week.

    If I don't eat back my calories I have a 750 calorie deficit.
    If I do eat back my calories I have a 250 calorie deficit.

    Now you have some decisions. If you find yourself hungry all the time and your not eating back your calories, you can safely eat some or all of them back and STILL BE UNDER YOUR DAILY CALORIC GOAL. If you find you are not hungry, don't eat them back.

    NOTE: I have seen people break a plateau simply by starting to eat back their calories. Apparently their body had entered starvation mode and wasn't allowing them to lose weight. And these people were not skinny, nor thin.

    In the end, you gotta do what's right for you. If you're losing weight, continue to do what you are currently doing.

    Good luck!!!
  • cressievargo
    cressievargo Posts: 392 Member
    if you only eat 1200 calories per day - and say you exercise for 300 ...that's a NET of 900...
    WAY too low.
    Honestly - those who say "well I ate less than that and lost weight"..are they losing fat or muscle?
    If you do not fuel your body enough, your metabolism WILL slow. That is basic biology.

    MFP is designed to have a built in deficit...regardless of whether you ever exercise or not.
  • KarmaxKitty
    KarmaxKitty Posts: 901 Member
    Definitely don't eat your calories back!!!!!! the point is to burn them off so if you eat them back on then that's defeating the purpose!!!! keep going-you can do it!

    WHAAAT???

    Don't do this! I'm in agreement with most of the other posters. Keep your NET calories at 1200 or slightly over, but NOT just your TOTAL calories. If you do both, you're making a double deficit, which is NOT what you want to do. One deficit made by exercising, combined with healthy food with a reasonable calorie intake is the best way to start off. Eat the calories back with healthy food!
  • I have been doing MFP since early December. I found that when I was eating all of my back calories, I was losing the weight that MFP said I would. However, since my trainer told me that any calories you burn while you are working out, do not take away from what your body needs, I have been eating right at 1200 calories a day, and have been losing much more weight than before. As long as you physically eat 1200 calories a day, that is what your body needs to function normally. I have lost 60 pounds in about 100 days or so on this plan.
  • McKayMachina
    McKayMachina Posts: 2,670 Member
    As long as you physically eat 1200 calories a day, that is what your body needs to function normally.

    That's actually not true. I mean, you will lose more weight but it's not all fat. Byebye muscle.
  • KarmaxKitty
    KarmaxKitty Posts: 901 Member
    I have been doing MFP since early December. I found that when I was eating all of my back calories, I was losing the weight that MFP said I would. However, since my trainer told me that any calories you burn while you are working out, do not take away from what your body needs, I have been eating right at 1200 calories a day, and have been losing much more weight than before. As long as you physically eat 1200 calories a day, that is what your body needs to function normally. I have lost 60 pounds in about 100 days or so on this plan.

    This worked for me at first too...but eventually your body hits a point where its simply NOT WORKING. You need a different equation to keep the weight coming off.
  • TXRobinD
    TXRobinD Posts: 15 Member
    Ok, I am new here and still reading through all of this info and all the numbers thrown around and I agree - it is confusing. I am just going to tell you how I worked out my numbers and that’s it. I learned that my BMR is about 1400 cal a day. That was important to me and made sense that my body needed at least that to function so I feel like I need to consume that amount every day. Now MFP tells me that I need to be eating about 1200 cal for me to lose 1 pound per week to reach my goal by our vacation this summer. I am not real interested in losing it really fast because I know me and I will just be back to where I was by the fall if I don't make some changes that I can learn to live with. So if I feel like I need to eat 1400 so my body can function and I am told to eat 1200 to lose the weight I want, that did not match up. So this week I started working out to get rid of that extra 200 cal I was eating. Now I have been burning more than that so I try and eat that back so that I am netting about 1200 a day. SO far in the last 7 weeks I have lost 10 pounds and I am not cranky or miserable. Right now this is working and I will adjust as I go if my body needs something different. Another way my hubby mentioned is to take your maintain number of calories and subtract 500 per day (for 1# per week) and that is want you should be netting. My numbers end up being the same so that just confirmed to me that I was on the right track. I hope some of this helped a little and good luck!!
  • pattan59801
    pattan59801 Posts: 142
    BUMP:flowerforyou:
  • bjules79
    bjules79 Posts: 8
    In my opinion, be careful not to eat all of your excercise calories back. It often seems that people over estimate what they burn, and it is most likely better to err on the side of caution. Sometimes, when entering in my workout, I reduce the amount of time by a few minutes-not a lot - just a few, perhaps even 5 mintues less. And then I eat some of the calories back, but not all. Well, except for those birthday parties at the pub! :wink: going out to eat makes it so much harder!

    I've been doing this for 8 weeks and have lost 9lbs. I have my goal set to lose 1 pound a week-I'd rather eat realistically and lose the weight slowly. In the past, I've tried to lose weight faster, and ended up failing and gaining it back. Slow and steady, right? This is a lifestyle change, not a diet.

    Of course, you must do what works best for YOU. Everyone is a little different. Perhaps, try eating them back one week or don't eat them, and see what happens.

    Best of luck!
  • c2sky
    c2sky Posts: 487 Member


    Everyone has their own "way" this is what started working for me after 6 weeks of working out with no weight loss, finally I ate as you can see on my diary and the weight came off. All the above recommendations were from my dietitian for me.

    Was this a "registered" dietician or just someone who is a nutritionist? I'm not trying to be rude, but this sounds way wrong to me if your dietician told you to only eat 1200 calories, no more. I am personal trainer. The code of ethics I sign to keep my certification only allows me to refer to registered dieticians. And I have met with several. NEVER have I heard of a dietician saying that. And even if they do, this would never apply to everyone.

    To the original poster, please talk to a REAL dietician and get some advice for YOU!
  • c2sky
    c2sky Posts: 487 Member
    Exercise is not just about making a deficit, big or small, its about building stamina, making your heart strong, cardiovascular health, there are millions I mean MILLIONS of health benefits to exercise... not to mention the muscle you build that DOES burn more fat and calories and LOOKS a hellofa lot better than fat (my personal opinion). So if anyone is struggling with WHY eat back your calories you work so hard to burn think about it like you already have a deficit (mfp makes one for you) so youre not only working for the above reasons but heck I sleep a lot better too:) Some people use it to fight depression and anxiety, etc. There are many many threads on this exact topic already...I WORK OUT! haha:)

    I like this!
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    This seems to be the #1 question asked here. Is there an article somewhere?

    It's really simple.

    MFP is different in that it does not assume you are going to work out. It only provides additional calories if you do work out.

    If you decide to never work out, you will still lose weight. This is why you should eat extra calories when you work out. MFP is providing the minimum you need, without working out, to lose pounds. So, if you work out and burn 500 cals, your body will be in a 1000 calorie deficit for the day (MFP lops off 500 calories so you will lose weight without working out). That's too much and could cause health problems, or you could lose too much too fast. That's not healthy.

    Most programs, assume in advance, that you are going to work out on the scheudle set up for you, so the calories already figure that in for you. That's why it doesn't flucuate. MFP doesn't assume you will workout, until you log it in.

    Make sense?
  • kazzamcamille
    kazzamcamille Posts: 117 Member
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/512956-tdee-what-is-it-and-why-you-should-not-eat-below-your-bmr

    CHECK THIS OUT^^^

    * Eating too few of calories will starve the body, you need to eat more to lose :) Eating to few will only hurt you in the long run :D
  • c2sky
    c2sky Posts: 487 Member
    Exercise is not just about making a deficit, big or small, its about building stamina, making your heart strong, cardiovascular health, there are millions I mean MILLIONS of health benefits to exercise... not to mention the muscle you build that DOES burn more fat and calories and LOOKS a hellofa lot better than fat (my personal opinion). So if anyone is struggling with WHY eat back your calories you work so hard to burn think about it like you already have a deficit (mfp makes one for you) so youre not only working for the above reasons but heck I sleep a lot better too:) Some people use it to fight depression and anxiety, etc. There are many many threads on this exact topic already...I WORK OUT! haha:)

    I like this!

    And to add further, I own a gym. I have actually had people cancel their gym membership and tell me that their new "cleansing diet" (avialable through various multi level supplement plans) is making it too hard to do a "gym workout". They'll say, "I'll just walk for a while." Then a few months later they are back, done with their "cleansing diet" and eating normal food again. Now they have energy to work out. Sheez............

    Why, oh why oh why would people restrict their calories so much that they don't have the energy to workout?
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