Strength Training with NO Cardio

Abrasue
Abrasue Posts: 218 Member
edited November 12 in Fitness and Exercise
have any woman had success reaching their goals without cardio??

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  • SteveHunt113
    SteveHunt113 Posts: 648 Member
    Cardio is not a requirement for success. Strength training and a good diet can easily get you to look the way you want to look. But cardio is awesome for your overall health.
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    I do some cardio, but not very much and not at high intensity. Maybe 20-30 minutes 2-3 times a week. Low-moderate intensity. I've read you don't have to but I like to keep some amount of conditioning for things like snow boarding and mountain biking.
  • Abrasue
    Abrasue Posts: 218 Member
    Cardio is not a requirement for success. Strength training and a good diet can easily get you to look the way you want to look. But cardio is awesome for your overall health.

    Ya, I just know cardio can eat away at muscle mass but I'm trying to burn fat as well. I love cardio only for the high it gives and yes, I do feel healthier afterwards.
  • Katie3784
    Katie3784 Posts: 543
    You should try circuit strength training. Basically, you go from one exercise to another without any rest, then once you've completed one set of each exercise, take about a 2-3 minute break for water/rest. Then do this two more times. You will get your heart rate up and your workout will be over in considerably less time. I hate cardio, so I do circuits, but I still do about 15 minutes of HIIT on an elliptical about 5 days a week because I feel like I have to.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Depends on the goal. Weight loss, yes. Winning a 5k, no.
  • zafferFL
    zafferFL Posts: 402
    cardio(vascular) has benefits as well over and above weight loss, not a bad idea incorporating it regardless..keep the ticker going..
  • Abrasue
    Abrasue Posts: 218 Member
    You should try circuit strength training. Basically, you go from one exercise to another without any rest, then once you've completed one set of each exercise, take about a 2-3 minute break for water/rest. Then do this two more times. You will get your heart rate up and your workout will be over in considerably less time. I hate cardio, so I do circuits, but I still do about 15 minutes of HIIT on an elliptical about 5 days a week because I feel like I have to.



    You just described my workout lol except I usually do my HIIT on the treadmill :) I was just wondering if I HAVE to lol like you said.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Cardio is not a requirement for success. Strength training and a good diet can easily get you to look the way you want to look. But cardio is awesome for your overall health.

    Ya, I just know cardio can eat away at muscle mass but I'm trying to burn fat as well. I love cardio only for the high it gives and yes, I do feel healthier afterwards.

    As long as you are eating enough (eating your exercise calories back, and your original deficit is not too big) then you most likely will not lose lean muscle from the cardio, again this would be subject to you doing a heavy lifting strength training routine and consuming enough protein.
  • MrsLVF
    MrsLVF Posts: 787 Member
    I suppose that depends on what your goals are.

    If your only goal is to gain muscle mass you don't need it.
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,500 Member
    Depends on the goal. Weight loss, yes. Winning a 5k, no.

    Is the right answer...
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    You should try circuit strength training. Basically, you go from one exercise to another without any rest, then once you've completed one set of each exercise, take about a 2-3 minute break for water/rest. Then do this two more times. You will get your heart rate up and your workout will be over in considerably less time. I hate cardio, so I do circuits, but I still do about 15 minutes of HIIT on an elliptical about 5 days a week because I feel like I have to.

    HIIT should not be don't within 48 hours of doing it the prior time as it causes your muscles to breakdown due to the intensity and the muscles need time to recover. I would suggest a maximum of 3 HIIT workouts/week, never on back to back days.
  • SteveHunt113
    SteveHunt113 Posts: 648 Member
    Cardio is not a requirement for success. Strength training and a good diet can easily get you to look the way you want to look. But cardio is awesome for your overall health.

    Ya, I just know cardio can eat away at muscle mass but I'm trying to burn fat as well. I love cardio only for the high it gives and yes, I do feel healthier afterwards.
    Ah, so your concern is more about not seeing muscle gains if you do cardio? If that's an accurate statement of your concern, then keep your pace down and your heart rate lower. You'll have a higher percentage of fat burn, though your overall calorie burn won't be as high ... should be a none issue if I understand your concern correctly.
  • I'm not at my goal yet (bodyfat) but I don't do any cardio because I really don't like it. I do lift heavy though.
  • tangal88
    tangal88 Posts: 689
    for me, cardio intervials is also needed, along with strength training with heavy weights, low reps - circuit style.

    I found with out added cardio, I reached a stall point and bodyfat would not drop. I was thinner with muscle devlopment, but not yet where I wanted to be, bodyfat wise.

    I will add, I am short, 5'2", and older aged, at 47. I think this is a factor.

    When I was 20-30 - I never had to do any cardio to stay in great shape.

    I personally have tried strength only, and variations on that, and the amount of cardio I needed for my sweet spot (over a 4 year period) - and at least for me, I need a good mix, along with a good diet and higher protein levels.

    I hate cardio, but for me, its apparently a must (along with resistance work)
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Cardio is not a requirement for success. Strength training and a good diet can easily get you to look the way you want to look. But cardio is awesome for your overall health.

    Ya, I just know cardio can eat away at muscle mass but I'm trying to burn fat as well. I love cardio only for the high it gives and yes, I do feel healthier afterwards.
    Ah, so your concern is more about not seeing muscle gains if you do cardio? If that's an accurate statement of your concern, then keep your pace down and your heart rate lower. You'll have a higher percentage of fat burn, though your overall calorie burn won't be as high ... should be a none issue if I understand your concern correctly.

    I would say the opposite and do HIIT twice/week instead, if preserving lean muscle is your goal. That way you get a good calorie burn in a short period of time while improving fitness. HR zone workouts are a crock of S^&T as you may burn a high % of cals from fat at lower HR but you burn less calories and fat in total and your metabolism is not sped up for the duration that it takes to recover for intense workouts such as HIIT.
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    1. Walking does not affect AMPK (which blunts muscle protein synthesis).

    Moderate to intense cardio does. Prolonged cardio, i.e. jogging at a good pace for >30 min has the most detrimental effect in this regard.

    2. Walking does not stress the CNS. You're saving your nervous system (strength) and performance for the weights, which is crucial for muscle gains and muscle retention. HIIT is very stressful for the CNS. An all out sprint (i.e. HIIT done right) is not so different from a set of 3-4RM squats.

    Lifting at a suboptimal capacity starts a downward spiral in my experience. If your nervous system cannot keep up with what your muscles can lift, muscle loss happens as a consequence of never being able to apply adequate stress/perform optimally.

    3. Cardio - HIIT in particular - tears up muscle fibers and require repair and recovery, just like a set of squats.

    If you're adding 2-3 sessions of HIIT to your 3 sessions of weights, it is almost comparable to adding 2-3 days of weights. Keyword is "almost", I'm obviously not drawing direct comparisons. That's all fine and dandy if you think working out 5-6 days/week is a good idea on a diet. But I don't think anyone - no matter what level of experience - needs more than 3 days a week in the gym when cutting. (Yes, this goes for competitors and beginners alike.)

    In conclusion, if conditioning is not terribly important for you, if your goal is really about getting shredded while keeping your muscle, I highly suggest limiting moderate to high intensity cardio on a diet - or ditch it completely. Save it for some other time when your recovery is good and not limited by your diet.

    A calorie deficit is a recovery deficit. Avoid deficit spending

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131542323&p=639771283&highlight=ampk#post639771283
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    I despise cardio, but do it for heart health and so I can eat more.


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  • Buddhasmiracle
    Buddhasmiracle Posts: 925 Member
    cardio(vascular) has benefits as well over and above weight loss, not a bad idea incorporating it regardless..keep the ticker going..

    Yup.
    The heart is a muscle too
    If you enjoy and actively play sports requiring endurance (x-country skiing, bicycling, etc.) the cardio work is important. Lifting weights complements these types of sports too. Having a fitness program that incorporates both helps tremendously in the long run as you age.
  • UponThisRock
    UponThisRock Posts: 4,519 Member
    1. Walking does not affect AMPK (which blunts muscle protein synthesis).

    Moderate to intense cardio does. Prolonged cardio, i.e. jogging at a good pace for >30 min has the most detrimental effect in this regard.

    2. Walking does not stress the CNS. You're saving your nervous system (strength) and performance for the weights, which is crucial for muscle gains and muscle retention. HIIT is very stressful for the CNS. An all out sprint (i.e. HIIT done right) is not so different from a set of 3-4RM squats.

    Lifting at a suboptimal capacity starts a downward spiral in my experience. If your nervous system cannot keep up with what your muscles can lift, muscle loss happens as a consequence of never being able to apply adequate stress/perform optimally.

    3. Cardio - HIIT in particular - tears up muscle fibers and require repair and recovery, just like a set of squats.

    If you're adding 2-3 sessions of HIIT to your 3 sessions of weights, it is almost comparable to adding 2-3 days of weights. Keyword is "almost", I'm obviously not drawing direct comparisons. That's all fine and dandy if you think working out 5-6 days/week is a good idea on a diet. But I don't think anyone - no matter what level of experience - needs more than 3 days a week in the gym when cutting. (Yes, this goes for competitors and beginners alike.)

    In conclusion, if conditioning is not terribly important for you, if your goal is really about getting shredded while keeping your muscle, I highly suggest limiting moderate to high intensity cardio on a diet - or ditch it completely. Save it for some other time when your recovery is good and not limited by your diet.

    A calorie deficit is a recovery deficit. Avoid deficit spending

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131542323&p=639771283&highlight=ampk#post639771283

    Martin is the man
  • tangal88
    tangal88 Posts: 689
    nope, have done that. :) Calories have been all over, lowest probably about 900-1000 a day, highest 1600-1700, (not all at the same time, these are all ranges that I have played with for periods of time)

    I have lowered, stagger, raised, and zig zagged.

    Played with Macros.

    Many of those produce a short limited benefit - but not consistently, and I always stall, and keep bouncing around the same weight ranges - which was still in the overweight category.

    I am now finally at my goal size, with good muscle development - and it took a good amount of cardio added into my routine (along with strength training 3 days a week, circuits for 45-60 min)

    I have no health concerns, and am in very good shape.

    Exercise calorie burn is anywhere from 400-1000 a day, depending on what adjustments I am making as I tweak things etc.

    Probably not the case for everyone, but I think it is a consideration. Especially if you are finding fat loss stalling out.

    I think this is especially the case with older women (not the poster here of course) - I read a study awhile back, that noted among other things, that older women needed about an hour a day of exercise to 'maintain", not just lose weight. (with a "good" healthy diet)

    Opviousely intensity, type of exercise and goals all factor in that. And I don't know all the specific parameters of the study, but for me, this is the case. Though I usually have more then an hour a day all total, depending on day, plan, and goal.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    Tons of people have done so.
  • yoovie
    yoovie Posts: 17,121 Member
    Ive gotten far more results once I stopped obsessing, thinking cardio was the answer- its a minor focus now.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    I am now finally at my goal size, with good muscle development - and it took a good amount of cardio added into my routine (along with strength training 3 days a week, circuits for 45-60 min)

    You should perhaps consider a different strength training plan if you really want good muscle development. Circuit Training for weights is good for endurance, but is not the most effective way to build strong lean muscle.
  • tangal88
    tangal88 Posts: 689
    nope not true at all. Nice though though, and I see where you are going.

    Those are all things I just adjusted. In the past 4 years.

    I actually rarely exercised or dieted for years, other then normal activity from time to time. I ate normally, never hungry, good foods sometimes, all junk others, LOL Size 7-8

    I did scuba dive for a few years, twice a day, everyday, and build some good muscle with that. But was not dieting or trying to exercise.

    And that was about two years at age 20-21. Stopped after that (I moved to a new location) No working out or diving much after that.

    Weight stayed great, no change in diet or workouts. I did not even try to workout on purpose, or "eat special", but I do move around alot in normal life.

    Gained weight after my Daughetr was born when I was 28. But still okay, just a little heavy, but average weight. Size 10-12.

    At age 35ish, I started to put on pounds, a bit here a bit there. Again not workouts, no dieting - just normal food.

    Then at about age 40 ish, I was putting on more weight, eventually about 60 lbs total. Size 18-20
    Started trying to lose it at about age 42.

    Tried diet only, exercise only (standard DVDs etc) and just have had to play around with it. Went through periods where I did nothing, and gave up.

    Finally lost about 30 pound, with normal good diet, and cutting calories, different ranges, working out 4-5 days a week, 30 min. Sometimes cardio only, sometime weights only, high reps low weight, until I learned better. Then Higher weighs lower reps, but still little cardio (as I hate it)

    Did lose some, but kept hitting road blocks. (size 10-12-14)

    Made adjustments throughout the process.

    Anyway, within the last six -eight months, finally added in more cardio, consistently, at least 4 days a week, at least 45 min, and the last few months, 60 min 4-5 days a week.

    This has helped me finally drop the fat levels down lower. Size 4-6 now, except waist, still have some fat their. So still lowering bodyfat a bit.
  • tangal88
    tangal88 Posts: 689
    I use the term circuit loosely. I agree with what you are saying in tradition circuits, and probably should not have used that term. But wanted to differentiate from Standard - straight up, lifting only with longer resting periods)

    It more of a mix. Closer to a standard lifting plan, but short rest breaks. I do P90X, and my weights used are 15-50 lbs. dumbells. my biceps flexed at 13 inches, not to bad. LOL. I have pretty good, hard muscle allover, just have a bit of fat over it still.


    P90X uses a lower rep set, (8-12, depending on exercise) done in roughly three to four sets total, with short rest breaks.

    I am actually at my strongest and best full body muscle development ever, and can now do full body good form pullups - which I never could do. LOL Can whip out pushups easily as well.
    My lifting levels have increased consistently, along with reps at good form.

    But I have also used a number of other "strength training" plans in the past as well. Including straight Gym Lifting.

    So I am not new to the Strength training options.

    This is a program, in itself, I personally enjoy, that keeps me motivated, and improving. So for me, anyway, its a workable option.
  • Ripken818836701
    Ripken818836701 Posts: 607 Member
    have any woman had success reaching their goals without cardio??
    I have 4 more lb's to lose before I reached my goal and then I plan on reducing my cardio from 3 X per week to 1 X per week to add as much muscle as possible. Many body builders dont do any cardio at all. But like mentioned before cardio is far more important than just losing weight.
  • Ripken818836701
    Ripken818836701 Posts: 607 Member
    nope not true at all. Nice though though, and I see where you are going.

    Those are all things I just adjusted. In the past 4 years.

    I actually rarely exercised or dieted for years, other then normal activity from time to time. I ate normally, never hungry, good foods sometimes, all junk others, LOL Size 7-8

    I did scuba dive for a few years, twice a day, everyday, and build some good muscle with that. But was not dieting or trying to exercise.

    And that was about two years at age 20-21. Stopped after that (I moved to a new location) No working out or diving much after that.

    Weight stayed great, no change in diet or workouts. I did not even try to workout on purpose, or "eat special", but I do move around alot in normal life.

    Gained weight after my Daughetr was born when I was 28. But still okay, just a little heavy, but average weight. Size 10-12.

    At age 35ish, I started to put on pounds, a bit here a bit there. Again not workouts, no dieting - just normal food.

    Then at about age 40 ish, I was putting on more weight, eventually about 60 lbs total. Size 18-20
    Started trying to lose it at about age 42.

    Tried diet only, exercise only (standard DVDs etc) and just have had to play around with it. Went through periods where I did nothing, and gave up.

    Finally lost about 30 pound, with normal good diet, and cutting calories, different ranges, working out 4-5 days a week, 30 min. Sometimes cardio only, sometime weights only, high reps low weight, until I learned better. Then Higher weighs lower reps, but still little cardio (as I hate it)

    Did lose some, but kept hitting road blocks. (size 10-12-14)

    Made adjustments throughout the process.

    Anyway, within the last six -eight months, finally added in more cardio, consistently, at least 4 days a week, at least 45 min, and the last few months, 60 min 4-5 days a week.

    This has helped me finally drop the fat levels down lower. Size 4-6 now, except waist, still have some fat their. So still lowering bodyfat a bit.

    okay i guess I am asking incorrectly. I guess the best way to ask is. "You kept calories constant and lost no weight, you added weights and lost no weight, then you added cardio and lost weight?" Is this how it happened.
    So far I lost 78lb.'s pretty much doing this. Except I ate above maint. and let my exercise program cause me to have a deficit. For example when I am in FL. I still stick to my exact same diet but dont excercise. I usually wiegh 1-2 lbs more when I get home than when I left.
  • tangal88
    tangal88 Posts: 689
    well sort of.

    I have kept calories the same, I have also zig zagged, I have also raised, I have also lower.

    When I was heavier, that worked. I lost weight, for awhile.

    But still had a good 30 lbs to loose. Would not come off.

    Added in weights, heavy weights worked best (of course), lost some weight and inches. But still stalled, or slowly again (not weight only, I am taking about inches, and size - since weight only is not the best guide here) Anyway, still not getting there. Always stuck around the same wight/size places.

    Used heavy weights, mixed up plans, played with changing calories, macros, etc etc.

    I did lose some here and there, usually slowly. And not consistently. And again, seemed to keep batting around the same few pounds - but still not exactly getting there.

    Added in some cardio, which gave more cal burn, keeping in mind, diet has been tracked along with calores.

    So always at a deficit, sometimes alot, sometimes slight, sometimes running at a maintenance range. Which at 5'2" is not a hugh calorie range. (suggested normal range fr weight loss is Maintenance: 1690 Calories/day, Fat Loss Range: 1128 - 1352 Calories/day)

    Started to lose again, slowly here, and there, sporadic, but still at least two to three clothing sizes on the larger size. Of where I should be, to be "normal" for mu height. ( I personally much prefer to be on the larger size of normal for my body build)

    Added in more cardio, and finally started to see body fat dropping, though no weight loss. for a good while. But finally after about 3-4 months of lots of cardio, lots of lifting etc. I have seen a big scale change also. Buit up until now, I have seen consistent inch loss, in trouble areas - that were "stalled" until I added in more cardio.

    I am sorry to high jack OPS, post. Seriously, I am not trying to get everyone to waste their time troubleshooting me. I am good. I appreciate all the thoughts, and effort, but thats okay. Really.

    I just know "for me" I find I need cardio AND heavy resistance training, and good diet, and higher protein to finally get my bodyfat closer to my goal. Which is not super small. I am aiming for about a size seven in the waist, which for many girls at my height is still on the larger size. But I am a curvy body type, so that a good place for me.

    Maybe I am a freak - don't know. Just thought others might want to see, sometimes the "no cardio" needed, is not exactly the full picture for everyone.

    A guy, with lots more muscle mass, I can see cardio being less necessary to drop fat. But as a women, I do have less muscle, even when I have a "good" amount for my stature. (I am comparing to other women my age and younger I see, and I am much more athletic looking and stronger, and look more tight, toned etc)

    I also know many fitness models "say" that with lifting heavy, they also do add in lots of extra cardio closer to Comp days, to cut. And for me, thats what I seem to have needed. Though I was not as thin as they are, or as muscle developed percent wise, I was not really obese. Just overweight. I looked good, just a bit to much padding and thickness.

    When I reach my goal, (almost there) I intend to lessen my cardio, though not completely.

    I did loss weight with no cardio - but I reached a stall point, that was still classifying me as Overweight. So you CAN loss cardio free, but "I" could not finish my journey to my goal without it. Maybe because I am short, and I think my age also. Which generally puits me in a bit lower metabolic range.

    And I strongly feel resistance training is very important to fat loss, and cardio only is NOT the answer. (not discounting macros, diet, calorie ranges, which are even more key)
  • Tina180130
    Tina180130 Posts: 127 Member
    bump:wink:
  • FORIANN
    FORIANN Posts: 273 Member
    Seems like a lot of people just aren't fans of cardio...after all it is hard work. :) Some people are not very concerned with function so long as they look a certain way....be my guest.

    I for one am a sucker for the anti aging, anti disease, overall benefits of the cardio exercise. Endurance athletes outlive body builders. I do strength training and enjoy it, but if you think a six pack is going to offer you the same longevity/quality of life benefits as a strong cardiovascular system...well, your lose.

    You truly need both to be successful, but I have to give the edge to cardio. You can be built like a greek god....but if your heart stops...oh well. :)
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