ok, am i getting this right... tdee and bmr...
lin7604
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ok, i checked on a site for my tdee ( as i have been stuck for 2.5 months with no loss) and it shows it should be 1620 ( from this site: http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.html ), my bmr is 1350 on that site ( on mfp it's 1252???) so in order to see a loss i can only do a 250 cal loss not a 500 cal loss a day to be healthy. which brings me to 1370 ( above my bmr).... so is that the number i should stick with? on another site it showed my bmr as 1252 and tdee at 1544 so with - 250 cals a day to loose .5 a lb a week my number would be 1294.... how do i know which number i should go with? 1370 or 1294?
I have been trying to loose 15 lbs for 5 months now and only lost 7-8 and that was in the 1st 2.5 months when i was on a 1200 cal diet, not knowing about my bmr and stuff. since then i upped it as i changed my stats from 1 lb loss to .5 loss as that was all i was loosing anyway and i gained weight. not sure why i can't shed anymore weight and at a complete stall? i figured after reading a bunch of threads on here that maybe my numbers were out but then i get different numbers, so what is one to believe? i have my cals set to my bmr right now at 1252 for the past 2 weeks...
I have been trying to loose 15 lbs for 5 months now and only lost 7-8 and that was in the 1st 2.5 months when i was on a 1200 cal diet, not knowing about my bmr and stuff. since then i upped it as i changed my stats from 1 lb loss to .5 loss as that was all i was loosing anyway and i gained weight. not sure why i can't shed anymore weight and at a complete stall? i figured after reading a bunch of threads on here that maybe my numbers were out but then i get different numbers, so what is one to believe? i have my cals set to my bmr right now at 1252 for the past 2 weeks...
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It is very difficult for someone to help you when they can't see your food diary. It seems to me the most common cause of a stall or plateau is when someone does not eat enough. Also, what is your sodium level at, how much water do you drink? These are all questions that could be answered by viewing your diary. Without knowing all that the numbers don't really matter.
I don't mean this to be harsh or a put down...just stating the facts, if you want someone to give you helpful advice then you have to meet them half way.0 -
What sort of exercise do you do - if you are burning a lot of calories then your net calories per day mat be dipping below 1200?0
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nope, my cals never dip below 1200, i always eat back all my exercise calories. I don't need input on eating and drinking right now it's getting my numbers in order.. not knowing my numbers isn't going to help if i am eating too much even if it is clean food... to much food is just too much food period.... so once i get my number corrected and if the loss hasn't started again then i will look into diary help... I have made huge changes to my diet and i think i am doing pretty good. I know i could drink way more water but that isn't what will stall me for 2.5 months... the only time i did loose was in the beginning when i was doing 1200 cals. ever since my cals have been up, i can't loose? as for exercise i do 30-60 min a day, right now i just finished 30ds and will go onto ripped in 30 april 1st. So either i do 2 levels of the dvd or i do 1 level and then 30 min treadmill or elliptical. I only have 1 hr a day to get any exercise in... from 8-9 pm.... except on the weekend
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What level of exercise did you select on fitnessfrog to calculate your tdee? If your tdee is 1620 and your bmr is 1350, then 1620/1350=1.2 which is sedentary. It sounds like you're doing a lot more exercise than sedentary!! I also do about an hour of exercise a day 5-6 days a week... so that is considered moderate, or even more. I also do Jillian and treadmill

My bmr is 1408 (not much more than you!) and with moderate exercise it gives me a tdee of 2172. Add a 15% cut to that is 1846 calories to eat a day! Or for a half pound weight loss per week (more do-able) 2172-250=1922 calories to eat a day! The tdee already has exercise calories built in.
Your last sentence says you have your cals set to 1294. Is that 1294 NET? I have my NET & GOAL set to 1680, so when I add in food it brings my FOOD number to 1922-2000 (per calculation above).
Maybe you need to eat even more? I know it's hard to grasp!! I finally lost a pound this past week after being stalled for monnnnths. I think I was overexercising and undereating. Maybe your metabolism is shot like mine is?!? GOOD LUCK.0 -
Here's an idea (not an original - I saw it on another thread). Wear your HRM for a 24 hours (non-exercise day) - that should give you a pretty good idea what your real TDEE is.0
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Everything is an estimate. The number of calories going in, the number of calories you burn exercising, and the number of calories for you TDEE. Split the difference between the 2 numbers you got and call it good.
Oh and don't do this.
They aren't designed for that, and you'll be WAY off on your estimate. Regular HRMs are only designed to give you an estimate of calories burned during cardio exercise.Wear your HRM for a 24 hours (non-exercise day) - that should give you a pretty good idea what your real TDEE is.0 -
Here's an idea (not an original - I saw it on another thread). Wear your HRM for a 24 hours (non-exercise day) - that should give you a pretty good idea what your real TDEE is.
I'm not sure a heart rate monitor would give an accurate estimate of that. Maybe if you invested in a fitbit or a similar type of device, you could get a better idea. I don't have one myself, at least not yet, but I have been hearing a lot of good things about the fitbit lately. Also, they're cheaper on amazon than on the fitbit site.0 -
What level of exercise did you select on fitnessfrog to calculate your tdee? If your tdee is 1620 and your bmr is 1350, then 1620/1350=1.2 which is sedentary. It sounds like you're doing a lot more exercise than sedentary!! I also do about an hour of exercise a day 5-6 days a week... so that is considered moderate, or even more. I also do Jillian and treadmill

My bmr is 1408 (not much more than you!) and with moderate exercise it gives me a tdee of 2172. Add a 15% cut to that is 1846 calories to eat a day! Or for a half pound weight loss per week (more do-able) 2172-250=1922 calories to eat a day! The tdee already has exercise calories built in.
Your last sentence says you have your cals set to 1294. Is that 1294 NET? I have my NET & GOAL set to 1680, so when I add in food it brings my FOOD number to 1922-2000 (per calculation above).
Maybe you need to eat even more? I know it's hard to grasp!! I finally lost a pound this past week after being stalled for monnnnths. I think I was overexercising and undereating. Maybe your metabolism is shot like mine is?!? GOOD LUCK.
as for fitness level i did choose sedentary as i am not doing much these days besides my exercise. I was told by so many on mfp not to include your " planned exercise" into your tdee and just your "normal" daily exercise... which for me right now is pretty nill... isn't that how i was supposed to do it? My Planned exercise changes daily, some days i get in a 30 min dvd and then the next i will get 2 levels in, etc some days i will get no planned exercise in... So min cals burnt some days is only 168 then ifi do 2 levels of the dvd i will be 300-400. that is the max i ever burn.
so someone please let me know if i was supposed to calculate my planned exercise into that calculator or just my regular daily exercise amount.....
yes i had it set at NET 1294, i always eat back my exercise calories....
i went on another site http://calorieline.com/tools/tdee and it gave me a number of 1535 for my tdee, so - 15% and it brought me to 1304... so i think it seem consistent that i need to net around 1300 a day... so i changed my cal goal on mfp to 1310 and we will see where that takes me for the next month...0 -
What level of exercise did you select on fitnessfrog to calculate your tdee? If your tdee is 1620 and your bmr is 1350, then 1620/1350=1.2 which is sedentary. It sounds like you're doing a lot more exercise than sedentary!! I also do about an hour of exercise a day 5-6 days a week... so that is considered moderate, or even more. I also do Jillian and treadmill

My bmr is 1408 (not much more than you!) and with moderate exercise it gives me a tdee of 2172. Add a 15% cut to that is 1846 calories to eat a day! Or for a half pound weight loss per week (more do-able) 2172-250=1922 calories to eat a day! The tdee already has exercise calories built in.
Your last sentence says you have your cals set to 1294. Is that 1294 NET? I have my NET & GOAL set to 1680, so when I add in food it brings my FOOD number to 1922-2000 (per calculation above).
Maybe you need to eat even more? I know it's hard to grasp!! I finally lost a pound this past week after being stalled for monnnnths. I think I was overexercising and undereating. Maybe your metabolism is shot like mine is?!? GOOD LUCK.
as for fitness level i did choose sedentary as i am not doing much these days besides my exercise. I was told by so many on mfp not to include your " planned exercise" into your tdee and just your "normal" daily exercise... which for me right now is pretty nill... isn't that how i was supposed to do it? My Planned exercise changes daily, some days i get in a 30 min dvd and then the next i will get 2 levels in, etc some days i will get no planned exercise in... So min cals burnt some days is only 168 then ifi do 2 levels of the dvd i will be 300-400. that is the max i ever burn.
so someone please let me know if i was supposed to calculate my planned exercise into that calculator or just my regular daily exercise amount.....
yes i had it set at NET 1294, i always eat back my exercise calories....
i went on another site http://calorieline.com/tools/tdee and it gave me a number of 1535 for my tdee, so - 15% and it brought me to 1304... so i think it seem consistent that i need to net around 1300 a day... so i changed my cal goal on mfp to 1310 and we will see where that takes me for the next month...
I think you and I are on the same path, as I've been seeing your posts this morning on the same topic. The only difference for me is I calculated in my exercise so my calories will be consistent throughout the week, I don't like the yo-yo effect of cals up and down. I think I can plan my meals and activity better if it's not moving around all the time. If I have more activity beyond my planned activity, I'll log that. Otherwise, I'll have to stop logging exercise here since MFP doesn't give you an option to log exercise without it hitting the calorie count.
I run 4 days a week, and that is very consistent. So, I'll log anything above and beyond that that is active and I'll stop logging house cleaning and gardening and just stick to bigger more strenuous activities like biking, surfing, volleyball, and that kind of thing. I'm thinking of getting back into weight training, but might wait a couple more weeks (shoulder injury). I would probably just log 200 cals on those days or maybe smooth it out too, if it became consistent, like my running.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this works. It like a little science project. :-)0 -
ya it sure is, a very confusing one.. i never thought trying to lose weight was going to be so hard and confusing... i put my daily cals to 1310 now and we will see how that goes. I am going ot start ripped in 30 on april 1st and then i will log my exercise into it daily, as it will be consistent... i seen that spread sheet on here to and i looked into that as well and it gave me similar numbers to the last site i was on, so 1300 cals a day seems about right.... we will see....0
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Our stats are almost identical. I'm 5 ft 3, 124 lbs. BMR 1350ish, TDEE 1600ish (using http://www.fat2fitradio.com/tools/bmr/)
From what I understand of the theory: so long as you're getting a deficit from your TDEE you will lose weight (albeit slowly) but eating below BMR will slow down your metabolism (again, slowly). After upping cals your body takes a few weeks to realise you're getting enough (this may be what's happening to you now - give it a few weeks to get back into balance). So you should aim for somewhere in the middle. And those last few pounds are the hardest to lose, 0.5 lbs a week is the top end you should be aiming for.
I go with a daily calorie allowance of 1400. I worry that I over/underestimate both food and exercise as there's not a massive range between BMR and TDEE for us little sedentary folk, but that number seems to be working. And of course I always eat back my exercise cals
I'm only set to lose about 0.3 lbs a week, but apparently slow and sure means healthy and lasting - fingers crossed ;o) 0 -
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I took the average of the sedentary and slightly active number and use that for my net. On a normal day I'm fairly active at my job and in my home life. I do wear a HRM for jogging and Jillian DVDs and eat back those calories. I do not eat back calories burned from cleaning, walking the dog etc.
I'll let you know in a few weeks if it works.0 -
thx.... i have upped my calories to min 1300 now and max 1400 so we will see what happens.... i will always eat back my exercise calories and alway stay above my bmr. now is 12480
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