Jamie Eason's program kind of sucks.

Rae6503
Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
edited November 12 in Fitness and Exercise
It's got way to much isolation (biceps curls, separating chest from biceps, etc). Beginners would do much better on a full body program that incorporates more compound lifts (squats, bench, deadlifts, etc).

Just because she's hot, it doesn't mean she knows what she is talking about. I've seen a lot of women doing this lately and it makes me cringe.

I'd recommend:

New Rules of Weight lifting for Women (at least phase 1, I've never gone beyond that and the nutrition section contains some broscience).
Strong Lifts 5x5
Starting Strength
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  • SergeantSunshine_reused
    SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
    Glad I am not the only one who thought this! I honestly have never been to fond of her. She is VERY hot and I admire her body and look at her for motivation in the Hot Women with Muscles thread.

    But her program is a lot of isolation work, not too many compound lifts, focuses on 100% clean eating or failure thought, and really isn't the best route to go IMO.

    I second Starting Strength for beginners for sure.
  • warmachinejt
    warmachinejt Posts: 2,162 Member
    hhhhmm girls talking about weights? where am i!?
    btw does this Jamie say her program is for begginers or not?
  • Yanicka1
    Yanicka1 Posts: 4,564 Member
    I? agree. I am happy to see that I am not alone.,
  • sarallong
    sarallong Posts: 74 Member
    I love her program!! I am seeing good results. I am not a beginner tho...been lifting for 4 years. Maybe it's not for beginners BUT it is a good program and she does know what she is talking about!
  • hush7hush
    hush7hush Posts: 2,273 Member
    Well that sucks. I was thinking about doing it.
  • Adrienne2001
    Adrienne2001 Posts: 8
    Bump
  • 1a1a
    1a1a Posts: 761 Member
    bump for both :-D
  • SammyKatt
    SammyKatt Posts: 363 Member
    I agree. I looked into it but it all involves having to go to a gym. If I had a gym membership I wouldn't be looking for free workouts online! Lame :/
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    I completely agree! My favorite workout is Lee Labrada's 12 week lean body trainer. It's a full body workout and love the way it is set up. "Women's" programs just never seem to appeal to me.
  • SergeantSunshine_reused
    SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
    I love her program!! I am seeing good results. I am not a beginner tho...been lifting for 4 years. Maybe it's not for beginners BUT it is a good program and she does know what she is talking about!

    I am not a beginner either, I have been lifting since freshman year of high school and I still am not doing isolation lifts.
  • DixiedoesMFP
    DixiedoesMFP Posts: 935 Member
    Thank you for sharing this! I have looked at it and considered it, but hadn't seriously put a plan into motion. I will keep doing what I'm doing, thanks!
  • Justjoshin
    Justjoshin Posts: 999 Member
    Women + Compound Lifts = Yum.
    That is all
  • sarallong
    sarallong Posts: 74 Member
    Well, not every program will appeal to everyone. If it work GREAT...if not..time to try something new but I don't think saying jaime is just "hot" and doesn't know anything is true or kind...:flowerforyou:
  • suziecue66
    suziecue66 Posts: 1,312 Member
    Why is isolation not good - is it because with compound you target more muscles at once?
  • sarallong
    sarallong Posts: 74 Member
    oh, and her program incorporates many compund exercises. Squats, lunges, push ups, galore!!
  • SergeantSunshine_reused
    SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
    Well, not every program will appeal to everyone. If it work GREAT...if not..time to try something new but I don't think saying jaime is just "hot" and doesn't know anything is true or kind...:flowerforyou:

    That is just my personal opinion. I certainly look up to her, but doesn't mean I want to train like her you know? :]

    Im more of a deadlift, rows, press, bench etc fan

    Never said she doesn't know anything, I said that I don't think the program is good for beginners and includes too many isolation lifts
  • chrissismone
    chrissismone Posts: 116 Member
    Different strokes for different folks I always say. I have been getting some good results from her plans. Now that I have access to the new rules that will be my next plan of action.
  • suziecue66
    suziecue66 Posts: 1,312 Member
    Sunshine can you answer my question or anyone else in the know:
    Why is isolation not good - is it because with compound you target more muscles at once?
    Really want to know. I have seen people saying do compound exercises because you also burn more calories?
  • enginerd81
    enginerd81 Posts: 50
    I started out with one of the BodyBuilding.com work out sets - and it was mind boggling to for a beginner to get going on it. When my wife was ready to start lifting we switched over to stronglifts - only been doing it for a few weeks so no comments on effectiveness but we both like the simplicity of it and since it starts with minimal weight it allows everybody to get comfortable with the exercise before real weight is applied. Very confident building since you only need to know 6 exercises.
  • sarallong
    sarallong Posts: 74 Member
    and apparently I cant type...LOL!! Much to you all...I think we are all amazing and entitled to our own opinions :heart:
  • enginerd81
    enginerd81 Posts: 50
    Sunshine can you answer my question or anyone else in the know:
    Why is isolation not good - is it because with compound you target more muscles at once?
    Really want to know. I have seen people saying do compound exercises because you also burn more calories?

    Isolation isn't bad but if you're goal is strength increase why not train them all at the same time? Takes alot less time.

    If you're looking to body build and make specific muscles bigger than i think isolated is more suited for that.
  • sarallong
    sarallong Posts: 74 Member
    IMO...compound exercises are AWESOME...they work different muscle groups at one time. But Isolation exercises are great too...when you want to beef up a certain muscle and isolate it :) They both have their place!
  • cbear017
    cbear017 Posts: 345 Member
    I looked at Jamie Eason's program and found that there are too many isolation exercises for my liking but that's my personal opinion. I am currently doing NROLFW and it's okay (more so-so than great). I'm on stage 7. My next program will be Lindsay Kaye's off of Bodybuilding.com. Here's uses a good mix of compound and isolation lifts. I won't be using the smith machine like they do for a few moves.

    My problem with Jamie Eason's program is that I doubt very much that she trains like that and yet she puts her name to it because she's probably the most recognized woman in the industry. Also, she's associated with Oxygen and Tosca Reno's whole clean eating nazism. I say that because while I respect a healthy diet I don't agree with the absolutism, and their all-or-nothing dieting philosophy.
  • IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym
    IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym Posts: 5,573 Member
    Well, not every program will appeal to everyone. If it work GREAT...if not..time to try something new but I don't think saying jaime is just "hot" and doesn't know anything is true or kind...:flowerforyou:


    kinda have to agree here... She KNOWS her stuff. Not everything is always going to work for everyone. It clearly worked for her. No need to say she has no idea what she is talking about, because it doesn't work for you. Just a thought...
  • helened
    helened Posts: 42
    I am just about to start phase three of Jamie Eason's program. I have put on some muscle for sure. I have only lost a couple of pounds but lost an inch and a half in my hips. It works. it has deadlifts, bench presses and a lot more compound movements along the isolation ones.

    I'll also add that I have done everything at home with my weights, barbell and a set of resistance bands. If you want to make it work you can. Personally, I think it's a great program and works you good.
  • SergeantSunshine_reused
    SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
    Well, not every program will appeal to everyone. If it work GREAT...if not..time to try something new but I don't think saying jaime is just "hot" and doesn't know anything is true or kind...:flowerforyou:


    kinda have to agree here... She KNOWS her stuff. Not everything is always going to work for everyone. It clearly worked for her. No need to say she has no idea what she is talking about, because it doesn't work for you. Just a thought...

    I never said she has no idea what she is talking about o.O I just said that in my opinion it is not the best way for beginners to start out.

    Edit: Just realized it was in the original post xD haha not mine! :flowerforyou:
  • suziecue66
    suziecue66 Posts: 1,312 Member
    Sunshine can you answer my question or anyone else in the know:
    Why is isolation not good - is it because with compound you target more muscles at once?
    Really want to know. I have seen people saying do compound exercises because you also burn more calories?

    Isolation isn't bad but if you're goal is strength increase why not train them all at the same time? Takes alot less time.

    If you're looking to body build and make specific muscles bigger than i think isolated is more suited for that.

    Thanks for the reply.
  • IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym
    IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym Posts: 5,573 Member
    Well, not every program will appeal to everyone. If it work GREAT...if not..time to try something new but I don't think saying jaime is just "hot" and doesn't know anything is true or kind...:flowerforyou:


    kinda have to agree here... She KNOWS her stuff. Not everything is always going to work for everyone. It clearly worked for her. No need to say she has no idea what she is talking about, because it doesn't work for you. Just a thought...

    I never said she has no idea what she is talking about o.O I just said that in my opinion it is not the best way for beginners to start out.

    Edit: Just realized it was in the original post xD haha not mine! :flowerforyou:

    hahaha, I :heart: you. I didn't know who said it and it is ok for everyone to have their own opinion. I just think saying she doesn't know her stuff is a little harsh, but is still ok, if that is how a person feels.
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    Why is isolation not good - is it because with compound you target more muscles at once?

    Exactly. A good deep squat hits your quads, your butt, your hamstrings, hips, core, and back, even all the small muscles and tendons that provide balance for all the bigger muscles. Bench press hits your chest, AND your triceps. Rows hit your back and your biceps. Shoulder press again hits your arms, chest and your shoulders. And there you have it. Your are done. All muscles have been hit in 4 simple moves. Additionally everything is balanced. If you just strengthen your bicep you can create muscle imbalances by say having a strong bicep and a week tricep or shoulder. Plus you can hit all muscles 3 times a week. If you break it up to "chest/biceps" etc you hit them only once or twice a week.

    People like Jamie have been lifting for many years. People have a limit on how much strength and muscle size they can gain (without steriods). Jamie is super close to her limit so she has to do different things to make gains or more than likely just maintain at her current level. Beginners really need to develop their core moves and their core strength, make sure everything stays balance, etc.

    And maybe saying she doesn't know what she's doing wasn't fair, you are right. What I meant is that you can just blindly accept a program based on how the individual promoting it looks. I wouldn't be surprised if no, she didn't do that program, or didn't do it as a beginner, or didn't come up with it herself... But I could be wrong
  • AnarchoGen
    AnarchoGen Posts: 400 Member
    I am just about to start phase three of Jamie Eason's program. I have put on some muscle for sure. I have only lost a couple of pounds but lost an inch and a half in my hips. It works. it has deadlifts, bench presses and a lot more compound movements along the isolation ones.

    I'm also on phase 3. I've lost 5 inches off my waist and a 1/2 inch all over.
    skip to phase 2 and 3 - much better. I started her program on phase 2 and just did that 2x instead of doing phase 1. But there are tons of other training programs on bodybuilding.com that you can try. I would like to try New Rules... or any other program. Also, her nutrition guide isn't that bad, if you're like me and can't moderate the junk foods then I think it's perfect. Like she says for her, it can be a slippery slope, it's the same way for me so I'd rather avoid it all together, calling it nazism is a bit extreme lol but yeah, if it's not what you're expecting definitely do something else!

    ETA: Gonna look into those other recommendations though, I would love to change things up.
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