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  • Ruger2506
    Ruger2506 Posts: 309 Member
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    i guess i'll add.... ST i would always make a must.. cardio is something you do if you want to eat an extra chip.

    Well, cardio adds more benefit than that. I can assure you I've seen many a patients who would have drastically benefitted from having a daily cardio routine. Heart attack patients recover much more rapidly when they have been following a good cardio program. Same thing for stroke patients. A solid cardio program decreases a person systemic blood pressure, increases vascular elasticity and decreases pulse pressure.
  • Taylerr88
    Taylerr88 Posts: 320 Member
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    i guess i'll add.... ST i would always make a must.. cardio is something you do if you want to eat an extra chip.

    Well, cardio adds more benefit than that. I can assure you I've seen many a patients who would have drastically benefitted from having a daily cardio routine. Heart attack patients recover much more rapidly when they have been following a good cardio program. Same thing for stroke patients. A solid cardio program decreases a person systemic blood pressure, increases vascular elasticity and decreases pulse pressure.

    well of course you would do that if you are at a risk of heart related problems.. but at the same time.. ST benefits your heart a ton also... after squatting 300+ for reps/sets .. my heart is going just as hard as if i just ran around the world.
  • 967_1111
    967_1111 Posts: 221 Member
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    Cardio helps me lose weight beyond the calories burned. Lots of anecdotal evidence that suggests a good cardio workout keeps your metabolism burning a bit hotter for hours after your workout ends.

    Your lungs improve their function, so you can breath easier. Your heart is stronger, and has to work less to pump blood through your body. As a guy, increase blood flow has other benefits that as I get older, I am happy to maintain :love:
  • harryzrw
    harryzrw Posts: 8
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    I don't understand why you would want to eat more. I started at 410 before I joined MFP. The first 20 lbs was the hardest without this help here.
    What makes this easy to me is seeing with my own eyes calorie equals = so much food. Meaning not guessing at what something weighs and doesn't weigh.
    This is how I have managed to get to about 371 today. First time ever losing weight.
    VERY IMPORTANT INFO: I cannot exercise. Have a very bad heart, and arthritis is destroying my ability to do a lot things needed in every day life.
    For me.....no exercise has equaled close to a 40 pound weight loss.

    Good luck in your program....
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
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    You sound like you might be better off if you just set your profile to maintain your current weight and then use your calorie burn as your deficit. Less to wrap your head around if you are eating the same number of calories per day...
  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member
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    exercise promotes muscle growth. 1 lb. of muscle takes up less room than 1 lb. of fat. Fat is fluffier, so to speak. If you are 150 lbs. of muscle you look a helluva lot better than 150 lbs. of fat. You will also wear significantly small clothes.

    exercise promotes serotonin production and improves mood.

    exercise promotes better looking skin, hair, nails, and increases your money-earning potential.

    well, not that last one. well, maybe. you be the judge.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,119 Member
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    I don't understand why you would want to eat more. I started at 410 before I joined MFP. The first 20 lbs was the hardest without this help here.
    What makes this easy to me is seeing with my own eyes calorie equals = so much food. Meaning not guessing at what something weighs and doesn't weigh.
    This is how I have managed to get to about 371 today. First time ever losing weight.
    VERY IMPORTANT INFO: I cannot exercise. Have a very bad heart, and arthritis is destroying my ability to do a lot things needed in every day life.
    For me.....no exercise has equaled close to a 40 pound weight loss.

    Good luck in your program....

    Someone at 371 and someone at 150 are in entirely different circumstances. The more body fat you have, the greater a deficit you can run. Careful with your advice.
  • DocGu
    DocGu Posts: 51 Member
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    When you lose weight you lose both muscle and fat. The fat is good the muscle is bad. The main goal of exercising is to prevent the muscle loss and maximize the fat loss.

    So for example you have 2 people who weigh 200 lbs. They both have a bodyfat percentage of 25%. So that means that they have 50 pounds of fat and 150 pounds of not fat (lean body mass).

    Envision the following scenario (the numbers are made up and likely exaggerated but you get the point):

    Over the course of time they both lose 30 lbs. One guy exercises regularly and the other one doesn't.

    The guy who exercises loses 29 lbs of fat and 1 lb of muscle. That means that he weighs 170 lbs with a bodyfat percentage of 12% with a lean body mass of 149lbs. So now that he is a perfect weight he can go back to eating a decent diet and he will be fine.

    The other guy loses 20lbs of fat and 10 lbs of muscle. That means that he weighs in with a bodyfat percentage of 18% (not to shabby ) with a lean body mass of 140 lbs. But because he has significantly less muscle then the first guy when he goes back to regular eating and maintenance he will need to eat for a man with 140lbs of lean mass which means he will have to take in significantly less calories to maintain his weight loss.

    What happens many times is that a person will go back to their old eating patterns. Unfortunately they have less muscle then they did before and so they gain the weight back and they gain it quicker then the first time and they gain more weight because their are used to (over)eating for a guy with 150lbs lean body mass instead of the 140lbs that they now are. Also when they get to 200 lbs again they will have a bodyfat percentage of 30% - meaning they are significantly fatter even though they weigh the same.

    So they go on a diet again and don't exercise again and they lose the 30lbs again, but this time they lose 5 lbs of muscle - so now their bodyfat percentage is 21% with a lean body mass is 135lbs. And it repeats over and over again like a yo-yo.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
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    TDEE is themost important number to have.
    Know it and you can lose/gain/maintain weight.
    BMR is the number to avoid....unless you dont like lean mass and want to be miserable.


    Find your Body Fat% first.

    http://www.fat2fitradio.com/tools/

    Do the military BF tool.
    Then the BMR tool.

    The BMR tool will give EXACT calories to eat depending on your activity.
    Add 20% to get your TDEE.

    Always eat below your TDEE and always above BMR and youll do just fine.
  • Ruger2506
    Ruger2506 Posts: 309 Member
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    I would like to add one more thing about cardio. I have a soft spot in my heart for chasing mountain goat, moose, sheep and elk over the top of some 9,000+ ft mountain top. I can assure you that I wouldn't be able to do such a thing without many hours of cardio under my belt.

    That and I really want to water ski again this summer. I'll need strength for that.

    Damn sedentary lifestyle!
  • blissmanifesto
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    I've got one for you, Ruger2506, since we are both well out of our 20s. Both cardio and serious strength training are important tools for combating the aging process. A lot of what we view as normal aging is actually more like atrophy due to under-use. It's usual for people to lose significant muscle mass as they age, but a committed strength training program can reverse that trend. Almost as important as strength training is a program for maintaining flexible and healthy joints. And of course you already know how great it is to have cardio in your routine. Did you have a time in mind for your future when you think it would be fun to get too weak and breakable and decrepit to have hot sex? Nah, me neither. So I plan to be hitting the weights pretty much from now until the paramedics come to wheel my corpse out of the squat rack at Gold's.

    But over and beyond that, there's a good bit of evidence that, while exercise isn't strictly necessary to lose weight, it's absolutely crucial to maintaining weight loss -- probably because of that whole thing where muscle burns more calories than fat, and also because exercising helps you burn more calories in general. I'm not done losing weight yet, but I'm working hard at building muscle for this very reason, because I sure as hell don't want to have to lose all this weigh again.

    So just do it already, Ruger! Do it so you can enjoy seeing other guys look at you with envy, so you can be the beneficiary of the delighted sparkle in your lady's eyes when she sees how sexy you've become. Do it because it will improve your life in a thousand little and big ways!
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
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    I've got one for you, Ruger2506, since we are both well out of our 20s. Both cardio and serious strength training are important tools for combating the aging process. A lot of what we view as normal aging is actually more like atrophy due to under-use. It's usual for people to lose significant muscle mass as they age, but a committed strength training program can reverse that trend. Almost as important as strength training is a program for maintaining flexible and healthy joints. And of course you already know how great it is to have cardio in your routine. Did you have a time in mind for your future when you think it would be fun to get too weak and breakable and decrepit to have hot sex? Nah, me neither. So I plan to be hitting the weights pretty much from now until the paramedics come to wheel my corpse out of the squat rack at Gold's.

    But over and beyond that, there's a good bit of evidence that, while exercise isn't strictly necessary to lose weight, it's absolutely crucial to maintaining weight loss -- probably because of that whole thing where muscle burns more calories than fat, and also because exercising helps you burn more calories in general. I'm not done losing weight yet, but I'm working hard at building muscle for this very reason, because I sure as hell don't want to have to lose all this weigh again.

    So just do it already, Ruger! Do it so you can enjoy seeing other guys look at you with envy, so you can be the beneficiary of the delighted sparkle in your lady's eyes when she sees how sexy you've become. Do it because it will improve your life in a thousand little and big ways!

    I like you!
    hugs!
  • Ruger2506
    Ruger2506 Posts: 309 Member
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    I'm thinking about ditching the free weights and treadmill and jumping on the Insanity train.
  • TanyaCurtis
    TanyaCurtis Posts: 630
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    U lose weight even faster with exercise, muscle burns fat way quicker, u can eat even more if u want to, or not to lose weight alittle quicker, u look and feel better, if ur older u will look younger, all the way down to ur skin! Definitely worth every minute of it! I look better now at the weight I'm at because I workout, my clothes fit way better, and I look smaller then I really am. When I didn't workout, at this weight I could barely squeeze into these jeans I got on right now:)
  • Jarvis95
    Jarvis95 Posts: 157 Member
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    This is an incredible video from a clinician scientist (a doctor who does medical research) on the health benefits of exercise. It's quite succinct and riveting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUaInS6HIGo

    and yes, as you lose weight your allotted daily calories will drop...it's very hard for to go to a restaurant or out for drinks on 1390 cals a day, so i find exercise very useful for planning ahead for when i go out (which i didn't do today and now i'm over my cals :P)
  • jadedone
    jadedone Posts: 2,449 Member
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    There is growing evidence that interval training also helps to reduce belly fat. I'd rather get some exercise so I can look better when I get to goal.
  • jbuntu
    jbuntu Posts: 54 Member
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    When you lose weight you lose both muscle and fat. The fat is good the muscle is bad. The main goal of exercising is to prevent the muscle loss and maximize the fat loss.
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    So they go on a diet again and don't exercise again and they lose the 30lbs again, but this time they lose 5 lbs of muscle - so now their bodyfat percentage is 21% with a lean body mass is 135lbs. And it repeats over and over again like a yo-yo.


    This is a really nice write-up, @DocGu. Thank you!
  • Contrarian
    Contrarian Posts: 8,138 Member
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    You've got it! I also like the way you lulled that caribou or whatever to sleep in your lap like that.
  • RoanneRed
    RoanneRed Posts: 429 Member
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    So my TDEE is between 3800-4200 calories. My daily target on MFP is 2300 calories counting my 500 calories burnt via cardio. It doesn't take my strength training calories into account. So by that math MFP is telling me I'm at a 1500-1900 caloric deficit (according to my TDEE).

    Additional Strength Training Benefit - muscles pulling on bone (to lift the weight) encourages increase (for younger people) and maintenance of Bone Density!

    I'm concerned about the above calculation so you may need to double-check your MFP settings, either:
    A) Set daily activity as Sedentary or Lightly Active then log all significant activity as exercise (although I don't count strength training and consider it a bonus in calorie burns)
    OR
    B) Set daily activity at a higher level if you are doing a lot of activities every day (eg. active job) and then only log exercise activities that are not part of every day.
  • Ruger2506
    Ruger2506 Posts: 309 Member
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    Below is the MFP activity level scale. I ride a desk so #1. would be the correct answer.

    How would you describe your normal daily activities?
    1. Sedentary: Spend most of the day sitting (e.g. bank teller, desk job)
    2. Lightly Active: Spend a good part of the day on your feet (e.g. nurse, salesman)
    3. Active: Spend a good part of the day doing some physical activity (e.g. waitress, mailman)
    4. Very Active: Spend most of the day doing heavy physical activity (e.g. bike messenger, carpenter)



    Below is the TDEE Calculator. http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.html I work out 5-6 days a week (45min/7% incline/3.6 MPH + Strength Training). So #3 would be the correct answer.

    1. Little or no exercise (ex: desk job)
    2. Light exercise (ex: exercising 1-3 days/week)
    3. Moderate exercise (ex: exercising 3-5 days/week)
    4. Heavy exercise (ex: exercising 6-7 days/week)
    5. Daily exercise (ex: exercising 7 days/week and working a physical job)

    One is asking for exercise and the other is asking for activity of daily living. I guess I'm confused.