"starvation mode'
JulieDerda
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Found this article found it pretty interesting and answered a lot of questions. I know its long article, but it think its worth the read.
If you've been on a diet, you've surely heard about it. The dreaded starvation mode. How many people have said to you, "be careful not to dip below 1200 calories. Your body will go into starvation mode and you'll gain weight." Or, what about, "Oh, you're not eating enough, that's why you're not losing weight. Your body is in starvation mode." A frightful sounding thing indeed. It seems like a dieter just can't win. If they eat too much, they won't lose weight. If they eat too little, they won't lose weight. Can all this really be true?
The simple answer is no. Starvation mode has been embellished so much that it's almost a complete lie at this point. So what is starvation mode really? Starvation mode, more formally known as famine response, is part of your body's survival mechanism. When you aren't getting a sufficient amount of calories to run your body, your body does indeed fall into famine response, because normally, when one isn't eating, it's because there is nothing to eat. Starvation mode slows down the body's metabolism to try and save as much energy as it can. It also breaks down muscle, but I'll go into that a bit later. So, yes, famine response, or starvation mode, does slow down your metabolism and does break down muscle, but that's where the truth ends and the embellishment begins.
Firstly, starvation mode is not something that kicks in automatically. If you skip a day of eating, your body is not going to freak out and drop your metabolism to a slow crawl. Starvation mode kicks in after continuous fasting or severe calorie restriction, usually longer than a week, but at least 3 days. If you've fasted, or restricted calories severely, you know the feelings of hunger pangs and how horrible they were. That's your body saying, "Eat. I need fuel." Since your body is telling you to eat, it believes there is still food to be eaten, so no starvation mode yet. When the hunger subsides, usually after about 3 to 5 days, your body has decided to there must not be food and uses alternative energy sources. This is a good indication that starvation mode is not far away.
People also believe that starvation mode will make you gain weight. This is essentially false. Starvation mode does slow down the metabolism, but if you are eating so little that starvation mode has set in, you are not going to gain weight. The percentage by which the metabolism slows down, which can be as much as 40 percent, does not overshadow the calorie deficit. All it means is that, if you are eating 500 calories a day, and you are supposed to get 2000, you should lose 3 pounds a week with your metabolism running normally. Let's say your metabolism dropped 30 percent. You would have a basal metabolic rate of 1400 calories a day instead, and so you would lose 1.8 pounds a week instead. Considerably fewer amounts of weight, but you would still lose weight. You can not gain weight by taking in fewer calories a day. It does not make sense scientifically, especially if you understand physics.
Let's get back to the muscle loss, because that is concerning to most people. Starvation mode does cause muscle loss, partially because it is getting rid of something that uses a lot of energy and partially because it needs protein, which it takes from the muscle. However, what most people don't know is that every diet causes muscle loss, even healthy ones. A healthy lower of calories, that is a 500 calorie deficit, will cause 75 percent fat loss and 25 percent muscle loss. Starvation diets cause a 50 percent fat loss, and a 50 percent muscle loss, however, this has two main causes. The body is not getting enough protein, and people eating small amounts of food, or no food, usually do not have the energy to do strength training. Not that the Atkin's Diet pushes the body into starvation mode, but does not cause excessive muscle loss. This is because Atkin's followers get massive amounts of proteins and so the body does not need to take protein from the muscles and most do strength training, to prevent excessive muscle loss. It works. They end up with the more average 75/25 fat/muscle loss ratio. So, if a person eating 500 calories a day ate it all in protein, and had the strength to do some strength training, they would conceivably end up with a 75/25 ratio as well, or at least something close to that.
This is all very interesting, you think, but why should I believe you? Your just a random person writing on the internet. Good point. Let me give you some examples. First, basic anatomy. The body uses glucose as fuel. Well, no food equals no glucose. So what does the body do? It breaks down fat. It has to break down fat because it uses the glycerol there to fuel the body. There is no possible way for the body not to break down fat, because it would die otherwise. It also uses the ketones produced by the breakdown of fats to fuel the brain, and the brain is obviously very important. There's also the Minnesota Semi-Starvation Study, that took place in 1944. The men ended up losing 25% of their starting body weights, even though their metabolisms slowed by 40 percent, and they were of average weight to begin with. Anorectics, who impose starvation on themselves, also disprove most of the starvation mode myths. They do not gain weight or stay the same. They continue to lose weight, even though they are severely underweight. Finally, Very Low Calorie Diets are used by physicians to treat obesity in some cases, and these diets are typically under 800 calories daily.
There you have it. The reality of starvation mode. Not nearly as frightening as made out to be. Of course, I don't support starvation type diets, and these will make you gain weight. Most likely because you will be very hungry, and most people do not have the willpower to consistently eat very little and will end up binging, and yes, your body will hold on to those calories because it has already depleted some of its storage, and you will gain weight. Furthermore, starvation diets tend not to give your body enough nutrients. Did you know a potassium deficiency can cause a heart attack? Not something you want to play around with. That being said, if you drop below your calories for a day, you don't have to fear a dead metabolism and rapid weight gain.
Sources
The Biology of Human Starvation, University of Minnesota Press, 1950.
http://voices.yahoo.com/starvation-mode-dispelling-myths-2900886.html?cat=5
If you've been on a diet, you've surely heard about it. The dreaded starvation mode. How many people have said to you, "be careful not to dip below 1200 calories. Your body will go into starvation mode and you'll gain weight." Or, what about, "Oh, you're not eating enough, that's why you're not losing weight. Your body is in starvation mode." A frightful sounding thing indeed. It seems like a dieter just can't win. If they eat too much, they won't lose weight. If they eat too little, they won't lose weight. Can all this really be true?
The simple answer is no. Starvation mode has been embellished so much that it's almost a complete lie at this point. So what is starvation mode really? Starvation mode, more formally known as famine response, is part of your body's survival mechanism. When you aren't getting a sufficient amount of calories to run your body, your body does indeed fall into famine response, because normally, when one isn't eating, it's because there is nothing to eat. Starvation mode slows down the body's metabolism to try and save as much energy as it can. It also breaks down muscle, but I'll go into that a bit later. So, yes, famine response, or starvation mode, does slow down your metabolism and does break down muscle, but that's where the truth ends and the embellishment begins.
Firstly, starvation mode is not something that kicks in automatically. If you skip a day of eating, your body is not going to freak out and drop your metabolism to a slow crawl. Starvation mode kicks in after continuous fasting or severe calorie restriction, usually longer than a week, but at least 3 days. If you've fasted, or restricted calories severely, you know the feelings of hunger pangs and how horrible they were. That's your body saying, "Eat. I need fuel." Since your body is telling you to eat, it believes there is still food to be eaten, so no starvation mode yet. When the hunger subsides, usually after about 3 to 5 days, your body has decided to there must not be food and uses alternative energy sources. This is a good indication that starvation mode is not far away.
People also believe that starvation mode will make you gain weight. This is essentially false. Starvation mode does slow down the metabolism, but if you are eating so little that starvation mode has set in, you are not going to gain weight. The percentage by which the metabolism slows down, which can be as much as 40 percent, does not overshadow the calorie deficit. All it means is that, if you are eating 500 calories a day, and you are supposed to get 2000, you should lose 3 pounds a week with your metabolism running normally. Let's say your metabolism dropped 30 percent. You would have a basal metabolic rate of 1400 calories a day instead, and so you would lose 1.8 pounds a week instead. Considerably fewer amounts of weight, but you would still lose weight. You can not gain weight by taking in fewer calories a day. It does not make sense scientifically, especially if you understand physics.
Let's get back to the muscle loss, because that is concerning to most people. Starvation mode does cause muscle loss, partially because it is getting rid of something that uses a lot of energy and partially because it needs protein, which it takes from the muscle. However, what most people don't know is that every diet causes muscle loss, even healthy ones. A healthy lower of calories, that is a 500 calorie deficit, will cause 75 percent fat loss and 25 percent muscle loss. Starvation diets cause a 50 percent fat loss, and a 50 percent muscle loss, however, this has two main causes. The body is not getting enough protein, and people eating small amounts of food, or no food, usually do not have the energy to do strength training. Not that the Atkin's Diet pushes the body into starvation mode, but does not cause excessive muscle loss. This is because Atkin's followers get massive amounts of proteins and so the body does not need to take protein from the muscles and most do strength training, to prevent excessive muscle loss. It works. They end up with the more average 75/25 fat/muscle loss ratio. So, if a person eating 500 calories a day ate it all in protein, and had the strength to do some strength training, they would conceivably end up with a 75/25 ratio as well, or at least something close to that.
This is all very interesting, you think, but why should I believe you? Your just a random person writing on the internet. Good point. Let me give you some examples. First, basic anatomy. The body uses glucose as fuel. Well, no food equals no glucose. So what does the body do? It breaks down fat. It has to break down fat because it uses the glycerol there to fuel the body. There is no possible way for the body not to break down fat, because it would die otherwise. It also uses the ketones produced by the breakdown of fats to fuel the brain, and the brain is obviously very important. There's also the Minnesota Semi-Starvation Study, that took place in 1944. The men ended up losing 25% of their starting body weights, even though their metabolisms slowed by 40 percent, and they were of average weight to begin with. Anorectics, who impose starvation on themselves, also disprove most of the starvation mode myths. They do not gain weight or stay the same. They continue to lose weight, even though they are severely underweight. Finally, Very Low Calorie Diets are used by physicians to treat obesity in some cases, and these diets are typically under 800 calories daily.
There you have it. The reality of starvation mode. Not nearly as frightening as made out to be. Of course, I don't support starvation type diets, and these will make you gain weight. Most likely because you will be very hungry, and most people do not have the willpower to consistently eat very little and will end up binging, and yes, your body will hold on to those calories because it has already depleted some of its storage, and you will gain weight. Furthermore, starvation diets tend not to give your body enough nutrients. Did you know a potassium deficiency can cause a heart attack? Not something you want to play around with. That being said, if you drop below your calories for a day, you don't have to fear a dead metabolism and rapid weight gain.
Sources
The Biology of Human Starvation, University of Minnesota Press, 1950.
http://voices.yahoo.com/starvation-mode-dispelling-myths-2900886.html?cat=5
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Were you able to find a study less than 60 years old which found similar results? I'm not trying to criticize, I really want to believe this is true, but we've learned a lot about the body in the last half century, and I'd feel more comfortable seeing more contemporary research supporting this idea0
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HI!!! okay i found something else now... "that it is real" heres some info.. maybe it will help else both?
You are looking at this the wrong way, starvation mode is very real and it is at a different spot for everyone because everyone has a different metabolic rate.
What is needed is a balance, you should be eating a MAXIMUM of 500-800 calories below your maintenance amount plus what you burn for exercise, to lose about 1-2 lbs per week on average. It?s been medically researched to be the most effective way of losing weight without doing much harm to your body in the process. On top of that, a man should not eat below 1500 calories and a woman, 1200 calories a day. This number is the minimum amount of calories your body needs to function (organs, brain, lungs etc.).
So there are two lines you shouldn?t cross, the first is eating less than 800 calories below your maintenance to keep your metabolism running, and the second is eating below 1200 (1500) calories a day, to keep your body functioning, even if that means that your deficit is less.
If you use the tools at the top of the screen you can find out your maintenance calories and then take it from there.0 -
HI!!! okay i found something else now... "that it is real" heres some info.. maybe it will help else both?
You are looking at this the wrong way, starvation mode is very real and it is at a different spot for everyone because everyone has a different metabolic rate.
What is needed is a balance, you should be eating a MAXIMUM of 500-800 calories below your maintenance amount plus what you burn for exercise, to lose about 1-2 lbs per week on average. It?s been medically researched to be the most effective way of losing weight without doing much harm to your body in the process. On top of that, a man should not eat below 1500 calories and a woman, 1200 calories a day. This number is the minimum amount of calories your body needs to function (organs, brain, lungs etc.).
So there are two lines you shouldn?t cross, the first is eating less than 800 calories below your maintenance to keep your metabolism running, and the second is eating below 1200 (1500) calories a day, to keep your body functioning, even if that means that your deficit is less.
If you use the tools at the top of the screen you can find out your maintenance calories and then take it from there.
This is what i got from the website forum that talks about it. http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/weight-loss/calories-body-starvation-mode0 -
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Yes I agree with that, it's common sense.0
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Thanks op.
What cracks me up is that people can say 'you're under 1000 cals a day, which is why you can't lose weight'
and then look at anorexics and want to put them in hospital. Surely the anorexic doesn't need to go to hospital, it can't lose weight because it's consuming under 1000 cals a day?
No. I think people on starvation type diets don't lose weight because:
1. they lose their determination and binge and forget it/deny it/ignore it;
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Thanks for sharing - good perspective.0
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Nobody is saying that if you're anorexic and starve yourself, you won't lose weight. Of course you will. But it will affect your metabolism and slow it down. We're talking about the ideal range of calories to lose the most weight.0
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Regardless of how old the article is, I think it's just common sense that you're not going to go into starvation mode within 24 hours...isn't it? I mean, it's in the name.....starvation, as in, you're starving.
But yeah, surely it's just easier to eat healthily rather than always worrying about being hungry and whether you're starving yourself!0 -
We have learned a lot about the body in the last 60 years, but this is pretty basic. I'm pretty sure it still applies.0
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Interesting. It's funny when I see the instant 'starvation mode' alarmists on this site. Sure, I think any form of starving or LONG PERIODS of under-eating can't possibly be good for your body. But if someone oops, only managed to net 800 calories that day they will not fall into starvation mode by midnight. :noway:
There have been days I netted low. I didn't wake up and plan that. I ate enough, just had killer workouts. Wasn't hungry later to eat back exercise calories. Not going to stuff myself just to make the food goal. No way.0 -
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I don't call it "starvation mode." I call it "survival response." Basically it's a metabolic slowdown, controlled by various hormones, led by the thyroid. People stop losing weight because the body is always fighting for homeostasis. If you eat 800 calories a day, every day, for a month or two, your body will respond by shedding excess muscle tissue (since muscle requires more energy to support, it's expendable in times of famine, in order to preserve fat and vital organs, after all, fat IS a vital organ,) and slowing down your metabolic activity (slowing heart rate, breathing, shutting down non-essential organs) until eventually, your metabolic rate will be equal to the 800 calories a day you are eating. Hence, weight loss stops. Then you go back to eating like a normal person would, say 2000 calories a day, which is average for a healthy individual. Now, since you slowed your metabolism down to 800 calories, and you're eating 2000, that gives you a surplus of 1200 calories a day, and your body starts piling the fat back on, in preparation for the next famine.0
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The basics:
"Starvation mode" can decrease your metabolism by up to 40%. If your body ordinarily burns 2000, it's now burning 1200.
That's all you need to know about why eating more can sometimes help you lose more weight.0 -
people can go a looonnggg time, on very, very little food,,, people all over the world are actually starving, and may have been in that situation since the day they were born... i highly doubt going into ``starvation mode`` for a short time is going to kill you0
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60 years ago they also used to recommend drinking whole milk to treat ulcers and then couldn't figure out why people had heart attacks. And also thought that speed was a great dietary supplement for women struggling to lose weight. So... yeah.0
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Interesting. It's funny when I see the instant 'starvation mode' alarmists on this site. Sure, I think any form of starving or LONG PERIODS of under-eating can't possibly be good for your body. But if someone oops, only managed to net 800 calories that day they will not fall into starvation mode by midnight. :noway:
There have been days I netted low. I didn't wake up and plan that. I ate enough, just had killer workouts. Wasn't hungry later to eat back exercise calories. Not going to stuff myself just to make the food goal. No way.
This is pretty reasonable. We sometimes have high days and sometimes low. Calorie and/or carb cycling works for many people. I often find after a killer workout I am not hungry the rest of the day, but am ravenous the next. That's cool, it's just my bod telling me what it needs.0 -
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I lost 45 pounds to just gain back 35. I was eating very little maybe 600 to 1000 calories a day, I went into starvation mode. Everyone can say it's crap, but it happend to me. I worked out, I ate very little, but the weight would not budge. I know it will take a while to get 50 pounds off but it's worth it to take the weight off slow!!! So the bottom line is change your lifestyle! It's easy to lose weight, but it takes a change of lifestyle to keep it off!0
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No one is saying that it is impossible to starve to death. But the fact that it takes time to starve to death is proof that the body does slow down metabolism in response to receiving too few calories. If you don't want to call it "starvation mode," then call it "adaptive thermogenesis." In any event, it exists.0
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