Good Carbs & Fat

To me, "good" carbs aren't processed and accompany nutritious components, incuding fiber. Fat to me is allowed if it's within limits and accompanies nutritious components, as above. I judge each food item on a case by case basis.

I avoid pure fats ie: oils, butters, creams. The fat I intake is usually included as part of something healthy.

Here is a site that analyzes many foods for their nutritional value: it's fat ratio, glycemic index, fullness factor, weight gain/loss factor, the nutrient balance, protein quality, as well as all vitamins and minerals contained therein:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-004000000000000000000.html

More good carbs and fat: extra virgin coconut oil, flax seeds, and chia seeds.

I'll offer the oddball opinion...

Good fats - monounsaturated oils and saturated animal fat
Bad fats - polyunsaturated, trans fats (hydrogenated), or chemically altered / highly refined oils (canola, refined coconut)

Examples of good fats - grass fed meat (including BACON, but make it uncured by nitrates), eggs, unrefined coconut or palm oil, olive oil, nuts (and their resulting oils), avocadoes (avocado oil, as well), ghee, butter (organic), full fat yogurt, rendered tallow

Examples of so/so choices - factory grain fed meats, cured meats, sunflower oil, whole milk / cheese, lard

Examples of bad fats - vegetable oil, canola oil, safflower oil, margarine, hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils

I'll offer the oddball opinion...

Good fats - monounsaturated oils and saturated animal fat
Bad fats - polyunsaturated, trans fats (hydrogenated), or chemically altered / highly refined oils (canola, refined coconut)

Examples of good fats - grass fed meat (including BACON, but make it uncured by nitrates), eggs, unrefined coconut or palm oil, olive oil, nuts (and their resulting oils), avocadoes (avocado oil, as well), ghee, butter (organic), full fat yogurt, rendered tallow

Examples of so/so choices - factory grain fed meats, cured meats, sunflower oil, whole milk / cheese, lard

Examples of bad fats - vegetable oil, canola oil, safflower oil, margarine, hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils

I concur with this too....................

I mean, hey, if Michael Pollan and other well-respected authors and researchers in the field of food and nutrition agree, I think we're on to something

Yes, but I keep getting bashed about how I an so undernourished...............

I don't think people realize that in the absence of carbs, our body turns protein into the needed glycogen our muscles and brain need to function. So, carbs are not needed.

I am researching zero carb lifestyle. I don't know if I could handle it due to not eating veggies and sometimes fruit, which I do enjoy. But, I am trying to reversse the Type 2 diabetes and PCOS I have and zero carb seems to do a better job than Atkins, South Beach and some of the other low carb plans.

I mean, hey, if Michael Pollan and other well-respected authors and researchers in the field of food and nutrition agree, I think we're on to something

Yes, but I keep getting bashed about how I an so undernourished...............

I don't think people realize that in the absence of carbs, our body turns protein into the needed glycogen our muscles and brain need to function. So, carbs are not needed.

I am researching zero carb lifestyle. I don't know if I could handle it due to not eating veggies and sometimes fruit, which I do enjoy. But, I am trying to reversse the Type 2 diabetes and PCOS I have and zero carb seems to do a better job than Atkins, South Beach and some of the other low carb plans.

I think a lot of this depends on what works for different people. Different strokes right?

I really don't eat "low carb" per se, but in comparison to the Standard American Diet or food pyramid recommendation or what have you, 75-90g carb probably is low.

I try to refrain from eating grains as much as possible (and hey, I have weaknesses and sometimes have a bit of rice or bread) but I am for 90% clean and can stick with that. I eat carbohydrate in the form of fruit, vegetables, and nuts and typically consume more fruit / veg / calories in general to cope with energy demands. I do pretty intense workouts 5x per week and am also a firefighter on the side. I know how to listen to my body and supply it carbohydrate as necessary. But under no circumstance outside of carb cycling or loading before events such as a 10K should I be consuming over my actual NEED for carbs. There's no sound reason for this.

But yes, you're very right in terms of ketosis. It's a bit of a dirty word in the medical community but in terms of body process and "starvation" mode, our body can run on ketones.

Maybe I too come off as offbeat in this forum because I don't deliver a standard diet message. I like to eat for life and if I've found a way to eat that indeed helps me to maintain a good standard of weight, health, and activity, well then, I might just be on to something!

Everyone needs to find their own means with research presented, really.