Your Opinion on BMI

SergeantSunshine_reused
SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
edited December 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
I have just been randomly thinking about how BMI is pretty worthless for a lot of us here focusing on body composition. I mean a lot of ripped guy are considered obese!

But what do you think about the other end. If someone is under weight by the BMI system do you think it can still be okay?

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  • sarah44254
    sarah44254 Posts: 3,078 Member
    I would go more by body fat % and general health when we get to the underweight side of the conversation. As long as the person has healthy organs, decent body fat (it can be low, but not so low that hormones / organ systems go out of wack)

    I see a few very healthy looking and strong young women who are too low on BMI scale but very strong looking. I can only hope that they are healthy beyond the photos I see.
  • dieseljay74
    dieseljay74 Posts: 376
    I'm considered overweight....it's so useless. No provisions for muscle mass
  • lizard053
    lizard053 Posts: 2,344 Member
    Despite the fact it doesn't account for body fat % and bone density, it's useful to say if you're heading the right direction. Not something for your whole life to rotate around!
  • RunChinni
    RunChinni Posts: 149 Member
    IMHO, BMI is just a bunch of BS. A lot of factors go into determining if a person is obese, overweight, underweight, appropriate, etc like age, height, race, build. BMI charts are very standard, thus making it a very dicey tool to rely on.

    BF% on the other hand, is a tool I'd rely on.
  • SergeantSunshine_reused
    SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
    I would go more by body fat % and general health when we get to the underweight side of the conversation. As long as the person has healthy organs, decent body fat (it can be low, but not so low that hormones / organ systems go out of wack)

    I see a few very healthy looking and strong young women who are too low on BMI scale but very strong looking. I can only hope that they are healthy beyond the photos I see.

    I am actually getting pretty low which is why it came to mind earlier. I have a BMI of 20 at the moment, and still am cutting fat for summer. I have a feeling i will be getting very close to that underweight point on the BMI scale. I plan on bulking after summer so im not so worried about it xD

    I think body fat % is a good thing to go by personally
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    being underweight by BMI standards you would have to be pretty thin and most likely have very little lean muscle mass. Since I equate at least some muscle mass with health, I don't think most people underweight by BMI standards are healthy, but there are plenty of exceptions.

    That being said most ski jumpers aim to be around a BMI of 18, as the lighter they are the farther they tend to go in the air, and I would say most of them would be healthy.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I have just been randomly thinking about how BMI is pretty worthless for a lot of us here focusing on body composition. I mean a lot of ripped guy are considered obese!

    But what do you think about the other end. If someone is under weight by the BMI system do you think it can still be okay?

    BMI = decent for populations or very large groups, not so good for individuals
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Useless for individuals-- probably serves a limited purpose for society in general-- as a general concept that should at least put people on notice that they may want to inquire further about whether they are at a healthy weight-- but once an individual inquires- BMI is useless for that person for the reasons noted above.

    ^ This

    BMI was never intended for comparing an individual to a chart. It was designed to compare groups of populations at different points on the chart with one another. For purposes such as showing the likely hood that X is more likely for groups that fall in Y range on the BMI scale.

    Even if I had 0% body fat I would still be in the normal BMI range, so I couldn't imagine how little muscle one would have to have to be in the under weight BMI catagory
  • shedoos
    shedoos Posts: 446 Member
    Isn't BMI a predictor and not a true measurement? In other words- it was a predictor of health related issues related to height/weight/age?
  • Honestly, I think BMI is a meaningless number. My BMI is in the obese category, but my BF% is in the acceptable category, which really makes no logical sense.
  • SergeantSunshine_reused
    SergeantSunshine_reused Posts: 5,382 Member
    I have just been randomly thinking about how BMI is pretty worthless for a lot of us here focusing on body composition. I mean a lot of ripped guy are considered obese!

    But what do you think about the other end. If someone is under weight by the BMI system do you think it can still be okay?

    BMI = decent for populations or very large groups, not so good for individuals

    This is what I always say too ^^ Noticing a lot of people still go by BMI including my doctors I am currently seeing. Giving me lectures for a low BMI when I eat plenty and lift heavy. Makes me wonder why we still use it for individuals?
  • Yanicka1
    Yanicka1 Posts: 4,564 Member
    I trust body fat % more. Below 15% it start being iffy
  • Coco_Puff
    Coco_Puff Posts: 823 Member
    I'm considered overweight....it's so useless. No provisions for muscle mass

    This is so right. I've got a lot of muscle which BMI doesn't take into consideration at all. Therefore I've been told I was overweight all my life, even when I wasn't!!!
  • Yanicka1
    Yanicka1 Posts: 4,564 Member
    I am also one pound from being overweight but I am about 20% bf.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I have just been randomly thinking about how BMI is pretty worthless for a lot of us here focusing on body composition. I mean a lot of ripped guy are considered obese!

    But what do you think about the other end. If someone is under weight by the BMI system do you think it can still be okay?

    BMI = decent for populations or very large groups, not so good for individuals

    This is what I always say too ^^ Noticing a lot of people still go by BMI including my doctors I am currently seeing. Giving me lectures for a low BMI when I eat plenty and lift heavy. Makes me wonder why we still use it for individuals?

    For a non athletic individual it can be a half way decent measure
  • UponThisRock
    UponThisRock Posts: 4,519 Member
    I don't think the BMI is the gospel, but I don't think it should be completely discarded either. It should be recognized for what it is: an estimation of what your bodyfat is based on your weight and height.

    When you recognize it for what it is, you see how the numbers would be off for folks that have more muscle mass. That said, for people that don't do any resistance training, I think the numbers are fairly accurate.

    As far as the low end of the range, at my height of 6'1" I would have to be <140 to be considered underweight. I would certainly be underweight if I was 140, but I think your frame size comes into play here. Having a small bone structure and narrow frame makes a big difference in terms of bodyweight. Still, 140 is awfully small, lol.

    So I would trust the under weight numbers as being accurate sooner than I would trust the overweight numbers. But again, BMI is just an estimate of what your bodyfat might be, which is the key issue. If your bodyfat isn't actually dangerously high or low, you don't have a problem
  • shedoos
    shedoos Posts: 446 Member
    from: http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/assessing/bmi/adult_bmi/index.html


    How is BMI used?

    BMI is used as a screening tool to identify possible weight problems for adults. However, BMI is not a diagnostic tool. For example, a person may have a high BMI. However, to determine if excess weight is a health risk, a healthcare provider would need to perform further assessments. These assessments might include skinfold thickness measurements, evaluations of diet, physical activity, family history, and other appropriate health screenings.
  • susannamarie
    susannamarie Posts: 2,148 Member
    I'd buy the underweight -- there are ways to be 'overweight' without having excess fat, but very few ways to be 'underweight' without having too little muscle.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,039 Member
    Fine for the average person. Anyone athletic, no.

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  • MehiraDeOro
    MehiraDeOro Posts: 117 Member
    I'd buy the underweight -- there are ways to be 'overweight' without having excess fat, but very few ways to be 'underweight' without having too little muscle.

    I agree.

    The other thing since the the bmi scales doesn't account for large amounts muscle, I personally still use it as a guideline rather than "this is exactly what/where you are."
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    Personally, I hate BMI for my own personal use. When I was in the army, at 6'1/2" I generally weighed between 185-195 lbs. I was in the absolute best shape of my life. Strong, fast, lots of endurance. At aroun 185 you could see my abs, but I never had the full 6 pack. BMI says I was close to or overweight. Go with BF instead.
  • watboy
    watboy Posts: 380 Member
    BMI=Bullsh$t Mimicking Information
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