Cat problems

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  • saragato
    saragato Posts: 1,154
    I am an animal lover. We have 3 cats and a dog. That being said...

    Does anyone have any advice... 2 of the 3 cats are making my life miserable. The newest kitty, Violet, spends 99% of her time hiding from the oldest kitty, Annie, who is a psychotic *****. The last time I tried to pet Annie, she scratched my hand badly to where it was bleeding. I do not try to pet her any more.

    Annie stalks Violet and when she finds her, corners her & won't leave her alone until they fight. When they fight, Violet pees & poos everywhere, plus clumps of fluffy weightless fur is everywhere. So I am constantly cleaning, and there is a smell I cannot get rid of. Violet is litter trained, but Annie will not allow her near the litter box.

    Plus, all 3 of them are guilty of getting onto counters & on the dining table. I am at my wit's end. How do I put a stop to this? I am probably damaging the table right now, because I keep squirting it with water, thinking that the next kitty that jumps up there will get her paws wet & won't like it.

    The dog & the other cat have no issues & are sweet, gentle, and obedient. Violet & the dog are best friends!

    I haven't read the other comments so I may be repeating... for one, get at least one more cat litter box... yeah it will be a pain to clean up after, but at least you won't have a cat going on the floor because another one is goose gaurding. Also, I would try a pheramone (sp?) defuser for Annie, put them near the litter boxes and where they tend to sleep/hang out... it should calm them down a bit... you can usually find them either at Petsmart or the Vet's office.

    As far as the counters and tables are concerned... try tin foil or sticky tape (sticky side up)... generally they will hate the noise or the feeling.

    One trick that I found to work is when introducing new cats, get the smell of each other on them somehow... I rub a towel on one cat, than the other and back again.

    Another trick for getting them to leave certain spaces alone is orange-scented room spray, find it in Walgreens or Walmart. Cats HATE the smell of citrus and all you need to do is spray it a little in the air of the area you don't want them in and they will avoid it. I started doing this when my 3 cats were jumping on furniture and getting in to things and now, after 3 years, I don't even need to spray it. I pick up the can and pop off the lid and they leave. Less mess than tape and more humane (I believe) than using a spray bottle of water on them.
  • k8blujay2
    k8blujay2 Posts: 4,941 Member
    That's a good idea about the spray. I didn't even think about that. My cats look at me like I'm crazy when I use the spray bottle on them. Like they are laughing at me.
  • Sumo813
    Sumo813 Posts: 566 Member
    rule of thumb is usually 1 litter box per cat +1. Example: 3 cats + 1 = 4 littler boxes.

    Also, put the litter boxes in different locations. That why if Annie is guarding 1 Violet has an alternative. Also, uncovered litter boxes will help Violet feel more comfortable about not getting cornered.

    ^^ I tried that with these two and maybe out of spite, they would use both, seemingly to piss the other off. lol... which sucked because the older cat (female) tends to just spray everywhere. So my bathroom was constantly covered in cat wee because I didnt have a covered litter box for the little rescue I have.

    Exact opposite situation for me... just rescued a kitten in December... and he's a little bully to the older cat that I have. She's always been afraid of her own shadow though. She was rescued FROM my older sister and niece. So I'm sure my niece tortured her (she's like Elmira from Animaniacs).

    I agree with the acrylic nails vs declawing. And definitely getting them fixed if they aren't already. Hopefully as the kitten matures, things will calm down. But fixing them should help, as well as help them live longer.

    As for getting them off the counter... I'd say get a squirtgun or electric squirtgun (preferably that makes sounds). After getting blasted with streams of water every time they misbehave, they will eventually learn not to do it.
  • pukekolive
    pukekolive Posts: 237 Member
    I have 2 Ocicats (they have Siamese and Abyssinian in them) and they are very active.

    The first is a spayed ex-breeding queen and when she was 2 years old I though I would get a kitten to keep her company. Well - I made the mistake of getting another female and even as a kitten she had a very dominant personality.

    They will live together, eat out of the same bowl and sleep on the same bed (not touching) and they both unite to see off any other cats in the garden BUT they absolutely hate each others' guts and scrap from dawn to dusk.

    They are both dominant so think nothing of jumping on each other, stalking each other aggressively (not in play) and biting each other.

    Tactics I use to show I am Top Cat:

    Feed them at the same time in the same room and stop any stealing (see any pride of lions and the top lioness will decide who eats what when the males have finished)

    I also often feed the in the same dish which they now will do without aggression

    If one has finished and the other has not I will growl the other to make it go away

    Pet both at the same time, also they will now both sit on my lap back to back for strokes

    ** I understand that the kitten is smaller but while protecting it from the older cat don't give it extra attention - the other one will perceive it as it is trying to usurp its own position in the house and the aggression and power struggle will start again - YOU are the TOP CAT**

    Getting on benches can be the cat's way of trying to be in charge of the food - THIS is the main reason why you need to stamp this out even though it is also bad hygiene

    ** I bought a dog training clicker and trained my cat's to stay off the bench with it - click and treat when they get down and also to sit in a different place for a treat - this works really well as cats do respond to clicker training **
  • PurpleGyrl13
    PurpleGyrl13 Posts: 84 Member
    I also have 3 cats (2 female & 1 male). One cat will turn 2 in April and the other two will turn 1 in April. All 3 were basically feral cats living "in the wild" and were found in WV. And I admit, they have their moments where it sounds like they are killing each other, but then you turn around and they are all curled up in bed together. Now when I first brought the 2 home last year, it was a living nightmare, but we ALL got through it (well except for my husband because he is NOT a cat person).

    I have 2 litter boxes for the 3 cats and haven't had a problem with just having the 2.

    I am having a problem with the 2 females getting on the countertops & kitchen table and will have to try the vinegar trick that someone posted earlier. I do have a cat tree for them to climb, and an entire play area in front of a window, but they don't seem to be interested. Actually they have an entire room to themselves....cat tree, food/water and litter boxes are all in this room. Have to use a baby gate on the door, which has been modified so they can fit through, but the dog can't...otherwise dog would be helping herself to the cat food.......
  • acrego
    acrego Posts: 84 Member
    There are too many to answer everyone individually, so I'm going to try to reply to everything here.

    Thanks for all the replies!

    First, Violet is not a baby. She was my kitty from before I got divorced, and she is about 2 now. She was spayed at 6 months. I've been bouncing from couch to couch, staying with friends, (divorce - complicated) so my old next door neighbor had her for almost a year. Now I'm settled in with my boyfriend, so I brought her here.

    Annie is my boyfriend's cat. He's had her since she was a baby, but she is 10 - 12 years old now. She is going to be spayed soon, (no idea why he didn't do it earlier, but hey... his cat)

    And don't worry, de-clawing is never going to be an option. I agree, it seems cruel. Besides, they really don't hurt each other that much with their fighting, as incredible as that sounds! We examine them carefully after, and neither one has had anything more than a small scratch. Don't get me wrong, I know it's not good, and I want it to stop!

    And the challenge with cleaning up the pee, I really don't think Annie is doing any marking (???) The only pee I am aware of is when they fight, and Violet picks bizarre random places wherever she happens to be since she can't get to the litter box. Today I cleaned pee & poo out of the lower kitchen cabinet where I store mason jars & cleaning supplies. I have no idea where else she may have gone. I have to completely empty out each room & clean all the floors & walls until this situation is resolved. Thank God we have no furniture right now!

    There are some empty rooms in this house, so I do think I will get extra litter boxes, and keep one of the kitties in a bedroom with her own litter box, and her own food & water in there for a while.

    Oh yeah, and the counter thing... me spraying the culprits will not work, because they only do it when I'm not around, plus they might just think I'm a crazy water spraying ***** & stay away from me! Maybe I will try the 2 way tape, but I think the tape might damage the table. But the water might be damaging it too, so who knows.. .I may give the tape a try. I wish I could afford to run out & buy a motion sensor, but I'm unemployed at the moment! :-\
  • Ge0rgiana
    Ge0rgiana Posts: 1,649 Member
    I have an Annie, too. :smile: Sounds like you need some Jackson Galaxy in your life. Do you get Animal Planet? :bigsmile:
  • lexidell46
    lexidell46 Posts: 143
    I slipped some (kitty calm) in the food and it worked.it is all organic.I did this for a bout a week with my 16 yr old cat. now she and the little one play with out the fighting. they even sleep next to each other when they think I am not looking. Bottom line is it takes time.
  • esphixiet
    esphixiet Posts: 214 Member
    Sadly some cats prefer the one-cat-per household method. A friend of mine could have written your post. She had 5 cats, and two dogs. When the two dogs and one of the cats passed away (due to age), two of the remaining cats began to fight viciously. Same story as yours, crazy cat violence, pee and poo everywhere. The other cats didn't seem too fussed about the fighting, but the owners sure couldn't stand it.
    She spoke to her vet, she spoke to other cat owners, she spoke to local shelters (who deal with this problem a lot!), she even contacted the "Cat Whisperer" (no really, look it up!), and she followed ALL of the advice given to them, in turn. Nothing worked. I watched her fight this battle for 3 years (until I moved away), and nothing changed.

    Eventually she resolved to keep the cats on two separate floors, sadly, the aggressor now lives, mostly alone, in the owners bedroom. It's the only solution that worked for them.
  • saragato
    saragato Posts: 1,154
    If you can't be home to monitor their misbehaving with the furniture, try an orange scented air freshener for the room(s) whether in cone form (cheap) or the plug-in type. Have it placed either somewhere near where the air blows into the room to distribute the smell or right near where they go. Or heck you could even buy an orange and rub the outside on certain parts of the furniture (won't hurt it unless it's, like, leather then maybe squeeze some of the oil from the skin on a towel or rag you don't need) to try and ward them off.
  • melb2003
    melb2003 Posts: 198
    I have a couple of things here for you that might help.I just got another cat to have as a "girlfriend" for the one that I've had for 3 years. At first, it was horrible, Sprinkles (the new one, female) would hiss everytime she would see Patches (old one, male), and she would want to fight Patches all the time. Patches is just a big ole teddy bear that wanted a campanion. I ended up having to separate them for 3 weeks, and they would just sniff each other under the door, and they would try to "play" with each other too under the door. The only time I would let them see each other is when my hubby and I could supervise and have control of both of them. Then I would feed them treats when they would just see each other (it's very important that they associate each other with positive, happy things). The hubby and I would play with each one individually but we would do it when they were like 5 feet apart.

    After about 2 months, they finally started to get along. But she would still freak out when he would try to smell her bootie!! It was kind of funny..lol! It's been 14 months since they've been together, and they LOVE each other. They cuddle, play, and sometimes just ignore me entirely, but I'm just happy their happy.

    They say that it can take 6 months for cats to warm up to each other. I would recommend separating them. I know it sounds mean to cut them off to parts of the house, but it's for both their own good. Then have "supervised" meetings with the 2 of them just to make sure they don't hurt each other. Then give them treats when they are together and play with them...lots of attention is the key. It'll take time and patience. With separating them, would also include separate litter boxes too.

    As far as the counter thing, the vinegar and water thing in the face when they just up there, does the trick. Also I know that double sided tape, cats hate the feeling of it on their paws. You can use it on your furniture if they scratch that, but if you put a few strips on your counter. It might be a pain at first, but after a week or so, they'll get the hint.

    I hope this helps. Just remember, patience, patience, and patience. Cats take so much more time than dogs to like each other sometimes. GOOD LUCK!! You'll need it.
  • CM9178
    CM9178 Posts: 1,251 Member
    one word for being where u dont want them MASKING TAPE! works great put sticky side up they stick to it and do not like it thats how i stopped my 10 yr old cat not to climb in the babys crib in about a day!
    Lol, yea unless you have a cat like mine, she just eats it instead.
  • CM9178
    CM9178 Posts: 1,251 Member
    Just wanted to address a couple suggestions that were mentioned...

    It is not too late to reintroduce them. As I said previously, cats can "forget" each other and their scents very quickly. By separating them now and then slowly re introducing them to each other, you CAN fix the issues. (take note from the show "my cat from hell". He has done it and it works. Also, our vet recommended this to us specifically. You can't just throw 2 or 3 cats together and expect them to get along, but you CAN reintroduce them, no matter how long they've been together already.

    Also, the feliway spray doesn't work for all cats - keep that in mind. We tried it for our cats and it did absolutely nothing and was a waste of money (it is expensive for a tiny bottle).

    Yes, we use a spray bottle sometimes, but realistically you cannot really "train" a cat to do or not do something. Yes, they will get off the table if you spray them, but that's not going to "teach" them not to do it again. They are going up on tables, counters, etc because they need a HIGH place to hang out. I guarantee you don't have places like this available for them in your house. Get a cat tree or two, or give them other high places that they are allowed to go on and I guarantee they won't go up on the counters or table as much.

    As Melb2003 said above, you can successfully reintroduce them if you do it right. They might not end up as best friends, but they should eventually at least tolerate each other. I don't really believe there is such a thing as a 'bad" cat (unless maybe it is feral), that should require medication or worse, getting rid of it. I'd say 99% of the time, it is an issue caused by the owners.
  • iulia_maddie
    iulia_maddie Posts: 2,780 Member
    Could you try getting Annie into therapy?
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