Does this diet plan seem workable?

MomOfJoey
MomOfJoey Posts: 58
edited December 17 in Health and Weight Loss
OK, so I am trying to figure out this whole BMR/TDEE/BF% alphabet soup of craziness. I am getting a lot of conflicting advice, and MFP is confusing me too.

I am 5'0", 40 years old, 140 lbs. BF % roughly 32% (calipers are in the mail as we speak). I want to lose 20 pound of fat. MFP says I should be eating 1200. I have used about 10 different BMR calculators and they all say different things. So let's say my BMR is 1200, though some sites say it's as high as 1350. That's how many calories I would need if I were in a coma, doing nothing, to maintain weight. But I'm not in a coma. I am walking around, working, cooking, cleaning, carrying bags, chasing a toddler. I am also working out 6 times a week for 300-400 calories each time, roughly (cardio, lifting, resistance combo). According to MFP, I should be eating 1500-1600 calories on workout days. But what about the calories I am burning in my daily life? It seems impossible to figure what those would be. So how much should I be eating? I have to say, right now I am losing inches in places I shouldn't be, like my calves and thighs, which have no fat on them to begin with. I am troubled by this, as the goal is not to lose muscle but fat.

I found this:

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

It gave me this plan:

..............................Maintenance ..........Fat Loss ..........Extreme Fat Loss
Monday..................1909.......................1527...................1145
Tuesday.................1527 .....................1222 ...................1120
Wednesday............2290 .....................1832 ................ 1374
Thursday.................1909......................1527...................1145
Friday.......................1718......................1374 ...................1120
Saturday..................2099......................1680 ..................1260
Sunday ...................1909........................1527...................1145

It figures out a diet intake plan that zig zags, which seems like a good idea. I would do the middle column, though it doesn't seem like enough calories to me. This means not eating back exercise calories, just following this plan, ignoring MFP's calories counts. Does this seem sound? I would assume Tuesday and Friday are the rest days due to the lower calories. What do you think?

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  • Ready2Rock206
    Ready2Rock206 Posts: 9,487 Member
    Whoa - that's way too confusing for me! Seems like you are trying to make this super complicated. I just do the plan MFP came up with for me - so much easier! Tues and Fri seem a little low too if you are exercising.
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    It is way confusing for me too. I am following what MFP says, but after losing an initial 5 lbs, I haven't lost anything, though I have lost inches off my legs, which are not fat. So I am trying to figure out what to do here. Eating more? Eating less? I cannot work out more than I am, and I am being pretty careful about logging all food. Very confused.
  • Nikiki
    Nikiki Posts: 993
    Are you picking your activity level right on mfp? I use sedentary because I work a desk job but I used to bartend and work at starbucks and used the next one up. Picking the Activity level factors in your average daily calories burned including all your normal activities, anything over and above that should be eaten back. That being said I agree with zigzagging calories amounts, eating the same basic diet every day is a recipe for plateaus!

    I will say that this will take time and adjustments to figure out what works, pick something and follow it do a week or two, if you're losing great, keep on that as long as it works for you, if you don't lose then make an adjustment up or down and stick with that a week or two before making changes again.
  • CaseRat
    CaseRat Posts: 377 Member
    When MFP says to 'eat' 1,200 it means to NET 1,200 calories.

    That means that if you eat 1,600, you then burn off 400, your net calories are 1,600-400 = 1,200

    In my opinion? That's too little.

    I think that you should be aiming a minimum net of around 1,300 for someone your size (varies from person to person obviously - I can net at 2,200 and lose 0.5lbs a week)

    http://body-improvements.com/resources/eat/
    ^ Is a good read

    As is:
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/510406-tdee-is-everything


    Edit: So, in answer to your question, I'd say eat somewhere between where it says to maintain and lose 1lb a week. That means you'll be 'netting' low to mid 1000's
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    and 1200 calories is wrong 95% of the time.

    Yet it stays at 1200 even when I change my goal loss from 2 lbs to 1 lb to .5 lbs. So you can understand my confusion.
  • doinitforme2012
    doinitforme2012 Posts: 98 Member
    I found one BMR calculator that used body fat % as a factor and with results showing different activity levels. i chose the sedentary activity level set my MFP activity level the same and use that BMR with a 300-ish cal deficit to manually set my calorie limit, i always try to reach my calorie level within 100 calories either way so that im not eating too few calories yet i' still creating enough of a deficit to lose weight. I eat exercise calories back, i see exercise as a way to tone and strengthen muscles not create a calorie deficit.
  • doinitforme2012
    doinitforme2012 Posts: 98 Member
    and 1200 calories is wrong 95% of the time.

    this.
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    CaseRat, I looked at your formula and it said I should be eating ~1550 calories. So that's what you do, regardless of exercise?
  • CaseRat
    CaseRat Posts: 377 Member
    Well it all depends on how much you exercise for the day..but judging by what you've said, especially considering you're only 5", yes, if you ate around 1500-1700 calories a day, and exercised as you do, then you'll lose weight.
  • CaseRat
    CaseRat Posts: 377 Member
    My advice? Get a heart rate monitor. That'll tell you all you need to know about how much you're burning doing daily activities.

    Apart from that? Experiment! Try eating 1,600? Not losing any weight? Eat less! Do more cardio, start lifting weights. It's not all about the numbers on the scale; use the mirror as your friend
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    I really cannot exercise more than an hour a day. That's all the time I have, with working full time and a toddler to raise. So that is that. I already do cardio, lifting, and resistance in that hour, pretty evenly split. Maybe I am logging my calories inaccurately? I just don't know.
  • CaseRat
    CaseRat Posts: 377 Member
    I really cannot exercise more than an hour a day. That's all the time I have, with working full time and a toddler to raise. So that is that. I already do cardio, lifting, and resistance in that hour, pretty evenly split. Maybe I am logging my calories inaccurately? I just don't know.

    One hour a day is plenty. Best advice I could give you is weights 3 or 4 times a week and cardio at least once or twice (HIIT if you're up for it) then rest days on the other days.

    You've been a member for 1 month? and you've lost 5lbs, that's a top effort :) That's perfect weight loss; 1 lb every week. Any more and you'll be losing muscle which you really don't want. Keep up what you're doing until you plateau, then try fiddling with it. Why stop something if it's working?
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    Because I lost that 5 lbs in the first 3 weeks and haven't lost ANY since then! It's stressing me out bigtime.
  • nasja1984
    nasja1984 Posts: 98 Member
    OK, so I am trying to figure out this whole BMR/TDEE/BF% alphabet soup of craziness. I am getting a lot of conflicting advice, and MFP is confusing me too.

    I am 5'0", 40 years old, 140 lbs. BF % roughly 32% (calipers are in the mail as we speak). I want to lose 20 pound of fat. MFP says I should be eating 1200. I have used about 10 different BMR calculators and they all say different things. So let's say my BMR is 1200, though some sites say it's as high as 1350. That's how many calories I would need if I were in a coma, doing nothing, to maintain weight. But I'm not in a coma. I am walking around, working, cooking, cleaning, carrying bags, chasing a toddler. I am also working out 6 times a week for 300-400 calories each time, roughly (cardio, lifting, resistance combo). According to MFP, I should be eating 1500-1600 calories on workout days. But what about the calories I am burning in my daily life? It seems impossible to figure what those would be. So how much should I be eating? I have to say, right now I am losing inches in places I shouldn't be, like my calves and thighs, which have no fat on them to begin with. I am troubled by this, as the goal is not to lose muscle but fat.

    I found this:

    http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

    It gave me this plan:

    ..............................Maintenance ..........Fat Loss ..........Extreme Fat Loss
    Monday..................1909.......................1527...................1145
    Tuesday.................1527 .....................1222 ...................1120
    Wednesday............2290 .....................1832 ................ 1374
    Thursday.................1909......................1527...................1145
    Friday.......................1718......................1374 ...................1120
    Saturday..................2099......................1680 ..................1260
    Sunday ...................1909........................1527...................1145

    It figures out a diet intake plan that zig zags, which seems like a good idea. I would do the middle column, though it doesn't seem like enough calories to me. This means not eating back exercise calories, just following this plan, ignoring MFP's calories counts. Does this seem sound? I would assume Tuesday and Friday are the rest days due to the lower calories. What do you think?












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  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    i answered it on the 2nd post.

    multiple your weight by a number 10-15.

    Stay there for 2-3 weeks.

    are you gaining weight or haven't lost weight? reduce your calories by 10%
    if you're losing more than 1.5lbs increase your calories by 10%...

    not rocket science.

    ETA: you think some calculator knows your activity level, your metabolic rate, how much muscle you have, how active is your thyroid of surpressed??? No formula is going to tell you how many calories to consume.

    That would be eating 1400-1900 calories a day, which is a pretty big spread. Now, I was looking at heybales' method, which says I should be eating more like 2000 calories a day. So you can see, there is no consensus even among the "experts" here. So maybe it's not rocket science, but it's not a no-brainer either.
  • nasja1984
    nasja1984 Posts: 98 Member
    your bmr is if you laid on the floor or bed all day.
    Find out your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR). Your BMR will tell you how many calories your body needs to function properly if you spent the entire day sedentary. To calculate your BMR, can use the Mifflin-St Jeor equation[1]:



    BMR = 10m + 6.25h - 5a +s

    m = weight in kilograms. If you know your weight in pounds, divide by 2.2 to get your weight in kilograms.

    h = your height in centimeters. If you know your height in inches, multiply by 2.54 to get your height in centimeters.

    a = Age in years

    s = sex. For males, add 5; for females, subtract 161.



    NEXT


    Account for your activity level. Since you (hopefully) do not sit still in bed all day, you must account for the calories you burn through activity. Once you have your BMR, use the Harris Benedict Formula below to determine your total daily calorie needs depending on your activity level. To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor:

    If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : BMR x 1.2

    If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : BMR x 1.375

    If you are moderately active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : BMR x 1.55

    If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : BMR x 1.725

    If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports and physical job or 2x training) : BMR x 1.9

    For example, a 30 year old woman who is 5’6” and 150 pounds would plug her information into the calculator and find out that her BMR is 1418.6. Then, since she is fairly active, exercising 3-5 days per week, she would look at the formula above and see that she would multiply 1418.6 by 1.55, to equal 2199 calories. That is the number of calories that her body burns on an average day.
    NEXT

    Plan to burn calories safely. In order to lose one pound of fat, you must have a deficit of 3500 calories. Losing these calories through diet restriction alone is not recommended - if you're serious about losing weight, it's safer to step up your exercise regimen as well. Only aim to lose 1 or 2 pounds per week. If you were to lose weight through diet alone, you'd need a 500-calorie deficit every day to lose one pound in a week. If you were really pushing it and wanted to lose 2 pounds in a week, you'd need a 1000-calorie deficit every day.

    If you're planning to lose 10 pounds or less, stick to losing 1 pound per week. If you're already within 10 pounds of your goal weight, your body will start lowering its metabolism to hoard calories if you diet too extremely.

    Part of the weight you lose during the first week or two might be water weight or bloat. If you lose 5 pounds in the first week but you only aimed for a 500-calorie deficit each day, don't panic. A lot of the weight you lost might have been excess water that your body was retaining. When you plateau at 1 or 2 pounds per week after that, don't panic - you're still on-track.

    Don't push your deficit below what your body needs to survive. It's a bad idea to consistently make your daily caloric intake lower than your BMR. When your body doesn't take in enough calories each day to sustain basic functions, it starts burning muscle. You might lose weight, but you'll be noticeably weaker.

    Returning to the woman in the previous example, if her goal weight is 130, she would have a total weight loss of 20 pounds. She would want her weight loss goal per week to be between 1-1.5 pounds per week, so that she does not take her calories too low. Her total daily intake of calories should be between 1563 and 1788. As she begins to lose weight, she will want to recalculate her BMR, and then stick to the 1 pound per week (500 calorie deficit per day) range as she gets within 10 pounds from her goal weight.
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    My results at 1200 + exercise calories = 1500-1600 was to lose 5 pounds fast, then nothing. So the decision is-- eat more or eat less? Different people give different answers. Of course I'd love to eat more it it would really work.

    ETA: and does "eat more" mean eat like 300 calories more, or like 800 calories more?
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    So how much do you need to maintain weight? Is that TDEE? Let's say that's 2000. If I subtract 30%, that's 1400. Then do I eat back exercise calories too? That's 1700 calories per day.
  • CaseRat
    CaseRat Posts: 377 Member
    4 posts above is a perfect calculator. Use it, account for your exercise levels, and EAT THAT MUCH. Don't eat back your exercise calories, they're already accounted for.
  • suziecue66
    suziecue66 Posts: 1,312 Member
    OK, so I am trying to figure out this whole BMR/TDEE/BF% alphabet soup of craziness. I am getting a lot of conflicting advice, and MFP is confusing me too.

    I am 5'0", 40 years old, 140 lbs. BF % roughly 32% (calipers are in the mail as we speak). I want to lose 20 pound of fat. MFP says I should be eating 1200. I have used about 10 different BMR calculators and they all say different things. So let's say my BMR is 1200, though some sites say it's as high as 1350. That's how many calories I would need if I were in a coma, doing nothing, to maintain weight. But I'm not in a coma. I am walking around, working, cooking, cleaning, carrying bags, chasing a toddler. I am also working out 6 times a week for 300-400 calories each time, roughly (cardio, lifting, resistance combo). According to MFP, I should be eating 1500-1600 calories on workout days. But what about the calories I am burning in my daily life? It seems impossible to figure what those would be. So how much should I be eating? I have to say, right now I am losing inches in places I shouldn't be, like my calves and thighs, which have no fat on them to begin with. I am troubled by this, as the goal is not to lose muscle but fat.

    I found this:

    http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

    It gave me this plan:

    ..............................Maintenance ..........Fat Loss ..........Extreme Fat Loss
    Monday..................1909.......................1527...................1145
    Tuesday.................1527 .....................1222 ...................1120
    Wednesday............2290 .....................1832 ................ 1374
    Thursday.................1909......................1527...................1145
    Friday.......................1718......................1374 ...................1120
    Saturday..................2099......................1680 ..................1260
    Sunday ...................1909........................1527...................1145

    It figures out a diet intake plan that zig zags, which seems like a good idea. I would do the middle column, though it doesn't seem like enough calories to me. This means not eating back exercise calories, just following this plan, ignoring MFP's calories counts. Does this seem sound? I would assume Tuesday and Friday are the rest days due to the lower calories. What do you think?

    The middle one - fat loss is the better one to go for or you could just eat the same amount each day which is 1527 calories if you add up the 7 days of calories and divide by 7. See how you feel and if you are losing. You then make adjustments as need be.
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  • Nikiki
    Nikiki Posts: 993
    I think you're over thinking this, all the calculators in the world won't give you an answer that will work perfectly you'll need to tweak it to suit your body's individual metabolism (and then keep tweaking it because your metabolism will change the more fit you become and also the older you get) several people have given you suggestions, pick one and try it out for a week. At that level of calories are you able to get through your workouts feeling energized? Do you feel satisfied or hungry throughout the day? If it works for you keep it up, if it's not working then try upping your calories by 150-300 per day. It's going to take some experimenting to find your perfect formula but you'll get there!
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58

    ha hopefully she listens to you, i said this like 5 times already.

    Is it really necessary to be unpleasant about it? Honestly, look around at these forums. There are people eating 1200 calories, not eating back exercise calories. They swear that is the right way. You have people saying eat 2000 calories. They say you will wreck your metabolism if you don't do it their way. You have people everywhere in between. I guess the point is, if one thing doesn't work, try something different. I get that. You have to understand that going from eating 1200 to 2000 is a big leap to take, and it's a little scary. I have never taken control of my eating and exercise like this because until now, I have never had to. If watching me trying to figure it out it aggravates you, don't read the thread. Problem solved.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    My calculations using a dietary calculator.

    BMR 1305
    TDEE 2022

    Set MFP to 1618 daily.
    Dont worry about eating back cals unless you overtrain.
    Protein and Fat 30% each.

    Enjoy your fat loss!
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    Heya PU!
  • MomOfJoey
    MomOfJoey Posts: 58
    My calculations using a dietary calculator.

    BMR 1305
    TDEE 2022

    Set MFP to 1618 daily.
    Dont worry about eating back cals unless you overtrain.
    Protein and Fat 30% each.

    Enjoy your fat loss!

    Now that is easy advice to follow. I can totally do 1600 calories a day. Is working out for 60 minutes 6 times a week overtraining, is the next question. I could roll it back to 5 days a week. And, is it 1600 calories every day, even non-workout days?

    The other question is, why is it when I put my info into MFP, say I want to lose a pound a week, and set my activity to "active" it tells me I should only be eating 1300 calories a day? I guess on workout days I would still be eating 1600, but the calculations mystify me.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    My calculations using a dietary calculator.

    BMR 1305
    TDEE 2022

    Set MFP to 1618 daily.
    Dont worry about eating back cals unless you overtrain.
    Protein and Fat 30% each.

    Enjoy your fat loss!

    following my original formula her bodyweight times 10 gives about the same number, take away 20%... you end up with 1618 calories. as i recommended, looks good dan.


    You know me bud!
    Always looking out!

    I liked that experiment we did with the HRM.
    Your numbers were almost in synch with my calculator.
    Just goes to show....
    =D
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    My calculations using a dietary calculator.

    BMR 1305
    TDEE 2022

    Set MFP to 1618 daily.
    Dont worry about eating back cals unless you overtrain.
    Protein and Fat 30% each.

    Enjoy your fat loss!

    following my original formula her bodyweight times 10 gives about the same number, take away 20%... you end up with 1618 calories. as i recommended, looks good dan.


    You know me bud!
    Always looking out!

    I liked that experiment we did with the HRM.
    Your numbers were almost in synch with my calculator.
    Just goes to show....
    =D

    You mean the bodybugg right?

    Yessir!
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member


    Now that is easy advice to follow. I can totally do 1600 calories a day. Is working out for 60 minutes 6 times a week overtraining, is the next question. I could roll it back to 5 days a week. And, is it 1600 calories every day, even non-workout days?

    The other question is, why is it when I put my info into MFP, say I want to lose a pound a week, and set my activity to "active" it tells me I should only be eating 1300 calories a day? I guess on workout days I would still be eating 1600, but the calculations mystify me.

    oh and this is assuming your TDEE is correct, and you lose weight at that level. -cough-
    [/quote]

    MFP wants you to work out 3 times a week burning about 200 cals each session.
    It sets you up that way.
    It's also got this convoluted thinking that if you workout you can eat more.
    My view is from the nutrition point of view.
    You should already be eating better regardless of how often you work out.
    Proper diets are 70% nutrition, 20% rest and 10% training or working out.
    You can lose tons of weight doing the first 2.
    The last 10% while on a deficit is basically the "Use it or Lose it."
    While on a deficit, anytime you eat below TDEE, you will have a chance of losing lean mass along with fat.
    How deep of a deficit and how much stress you put on your central nervous system is up to you.
    I wall say this, I have seen how improper diets work and in the long run youll end up dieting even longer than if you did it right in the first place.
    So diet down hard! Hit that BMR every day.
    Dont eat back calories since the scale is moving down.
    Workout 6 days a week for more than an hour.
    When the machine breaks down....

    Or...

    Slow down.

    Take a week off and get your nutrition in line.
    Set up a good lifting program and Lift weights 3 times a week burning around 200 cals a session.
    Walk after dinner for 15-20 mins and burn another 100 cals if you need to.

    Eating higher cals while taking it easy while dieting down is a proven way to lose weight than shooting too low not eating enough and working out wayyyyy too much.

    If I knew last May what I know now about dieting, id be at my goal last november.
    I missed that bus.

    In the immortal words of Michael Scott "Future hindsight....I need that!"
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    My advice? Get a heart rate monitor. That'll tell you all you need to know about how much you're burning doing daily activities.

    Apart from that? Experiment! Try eating 1,600? Not losing any weight? Eat less! Do more cardio, start lifting weights. It's not all about the numbers on the scale; use the mirror as your friend

    HRM cannot tell you any calorie estimates with any kind of useful accuracy outside of aerobic zones. That's what the studies and formula's are based on, only your 90-160 perhaps HR levels. Anything anaerobic above it is incorrect, anything resting or daily activity is below that and is incorrect.

    That's where the BodyBugg/BodyMedia Fit come into play, if you just must know best estimate of TDEE. But those devices sadly are just as inaccurate in the heavy exercise zone, except for walking.
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