EC Stack!!!

I pretty sure it's not terribly legal over the counter.
There are ways to bypass it via looking for products used to treat other things.

Last I knew this stuff kills healthy athletes.

A lot of people drop the asprin hence the name EC stack, but you can call it an EC stack or an ECA stack. The aspirin hasn't been shown in studies to help except in very obese females I believe, I remember reading that somewhere...

Anyways there's nothing illegal about an EC stack, it's just ephedrine and caffeine (or aspirin too if you prefer). The stack part refers to the fact that they are taken together and work together, in a specific ratio... 1:10 ephedrine/caffeine. The recommended dosage is 20mg ephedrine and 200mg caffeine 3 times a day. I take 24mg ephedrine since my ephedrine comes in 8mg pills, that's fine. I know bronk-aid in the US comes in 25mg pills, that's fine too.

Ephedrine is controlled in some states, in that you need to show your drivers license to buy it and can only buy so much per month. That's because ephedrine is used to make meth, not that ephedrine itself is somehow "bad" or illegal.

If you do decide to try the EC stack then go SLOW, don't start with a full dose, you will hate it and be jittery and bouncing off the walls. Start slow.

This site has a recommended dosage and plan for ramping up your doses:
http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm

This site explains how the EC stack works and quotes studies:
http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000006.htm (highly highly recommend reading through this one!)

Basically what it's saying is that most obese people don't produce enough noradrenaline, and the EC stack corrects this. It goes much more in depth than that, but studies show that groups using the EC stack lost lost a statistically significant amount of weight (over the placebo group) and that it helps retain lean muscle mass during dieting.

Do not use if you have any heart problems or use asthma inhalers, there are other contraindications too, best to read up on it and find out everything you can before using.

If you're in the US, you can't. Not legal since like 8 people died from using it improperly. One bad apple ruins the whole bunch.

I pretty sure it's not terribly legal over the counter.
There are ways to bypass it via looking for products used to treat other things.

Last I knew this stuff kills healthy athletes.

Because they're dumb and misused it? EC stack has been studied extensively and has been shown to be safe.

If it were shown to be safe it wouldn't be banned in most western countries.
Since you aren't going to get it under medical supervision or from a prescription your point is moot. The studies showed controlled dosage under supervision was safe.

It's pretty easy to get Ephedrine. But the question is, why do you want to do an EC stack? Can't you just do a normal diet with a calorie deficit?

People don't normally start an EC stack for "energy". They look for a faster way to diet and burn fat.

Completely incorrect, ephendrine is absolutely legal in the US. I stopped using EC stack cause it was too expensive for minimal gains, especially once I got my deficit right and started working out. But alot of body builder types I know use it was a step in trimming down.

If it were shown to be safe it wouldn't be banned in most western countries.
Since you aren't going to get it under medical supervision or from a prescription your point is moot. The studies showed controlled dosage under supervision was safe.

Just because it's banned doesn't mean it isn't safe. Foie Gras was banned in Chicago at one point. Steroids are safe but because people are too dumb to use it properly, it has been labeled as dangerous. It really is dependent on how the individual handles it and how they dose it as well as the rest of their lifestyle. There are several precautions one should take when taking anything. Why blame the supplement and not the user?

Again, I'll point you back up to the studies that show it is safe. There is a recommended dosage, you are not supposed to do more than that, that's why there are instructions. Why does it matter if they're a "novice?" Does that mean that they can't read up on it and take it responsibly? Is a novice cook unable to follow a recipe or something, you need to be a master cook? :P Stacking does have a synergistic effect.

There are valid contraindications, if you have a heart issue you should not be taking the EC stack. If you use inhalers you should not be taking the EC stack etc etc, everyone should research it before they use it but I will still say that it's pretty SIMPLE to follow instructions and use it as indicated in the dosages indicated, it's not difficult. Tylenol has a dosage on the bottle, of course if you eat the whole bottle you'll run into problems, but don't you think most people are able to take the correct dose? Should we ban Tylenol because some people might take too much?

I am a novice, and I am trying (cautiously, and monitoring myself) the EC stack. Now, I am also 150+lbs overweight. I diet and end up yo-yoing. The EC stack helps suppress my appetite, and leaves me less emotionally invested in food. Sometimes it makes me nauseated enough I don't want to eat even as much as I need to. It gives me a little more pep, but what helps (for me) is that this a) offers me results I can see/feel, and b) the appetite suppression/nausea. I work out some -- about 20 minutes every three days of weight lifting (I am weak and puny, I know), and I no longer take the elevator at work. But I also monitor myself and drink lots of water, and oranges (for potassium, low potassium can be an issue), and I am being very very careful-- if you had a lot of weight to lose and needed help with motivation, this might be something to try. Otherwise, if you can follow a calorie deficit, and you're exercising, you'll probably be okay.