2 Months - Gained 2 Pounds - No Noticeable Difference

ohtokyo
ohtokyo Posts: 6 Member
edited December 18 in Food and Nutrition
Hello everyone. I'm a long-time lurker, first time poster. I'm just so frustrated that I don't know where else to turn to, so here it goes.

I've been working out 5 times a week for the past two months. I will generally do 30-40 minutes of cardio either on the treadmill, ARC trainer or stationary bike. I mix it up regularly. I also do some weight lifting, though only for the past month or so.

I know that my eating hasn't been the greatest. For the first month, I was doing the Johnson Up Day Down Day diet with NO results. I've read things on intermittent fasting and supposedly it was supposed to speed up my metabolism. I only lost 2 pounds on the scale for that month.

For this month, I've gained 2 pounds. I know that I should have taken measurements at the beginning of this, but I figures I would let my clothes be my measurement. I have noticed that my legs are more tone and my love handles are shrinking, but that is really it. I am getting extremely frustrated. I wonder if there is something in my diet that is holding me back. I try to drink plenty of water.

What do you think? Should I shift my diet to be completely 100% healthy? I eat out usually once a day (I suck, I know). Even if I do this, I wonder why I'm not seeing the results I would have expected. Any suggestions?

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  • ohtokyo
    ohtokyo Posts: 6 Member
    I should add that I am 5'2 and 132 pounds at the moment.
  • snewsome7
    snewsome7 Posts: 189
    I'm no expert, so I really don't know the "right" thing to say. However, I do know that many people will ask you to open your food diary so they are able to give you better advice. I didn't lose a single pound the first month I started. I hope you are able to see changes soon though. Good luck.
  • jenbusick
    jenbusick Posts: 528 Member
    Cleaning up your diet can't hurt. I've been trying to do that myself lately, although never eating out is not an option for me. I've had to learn to make better choices when I do eat out. I would say pick one or two things about your diet to focus on. For me, it was potatoes (I have given them up; I have not eaten a potato in any form in 2 weeks), because they seem to trigger cravings/binges, and junk food, which I try to limit to 200 calories a day or less. I think that has really helped with cravings and overeating, and a side effect has been that I eat healthier snacks. I also changed up my workouts. In two weeks I've lost 4 lbs and have the beginnings of definition in my calves as a result.

    So, I'd give changing your diet a try. It can't hurt to focus on eating healthier foods.
  • MaryBowen27
    MaryBowen27 Posts: 132
    Without seeing your diary, I'll go with what you said... "I know my eating isn't the greatest"

    I think you answered your own question. Your exercise seems on point but without seeing your diary for specific suggestions, I'd guess there's something lacking in your diet. Also in general terms fasting usual doesn't create sustainable weightloss.
  • MaryBowen27
    MaryBowen27 Posts: 132
    What are the items that are added as "quick added calories"?
  • finchest
    finchest Posts: 245 Member
    I should add that I am 5'2 and 132 pounds at the moment.

    You're also in a healthy body weight for your height, so bringing your weight down from there would mean concentrating on building muscle, increasing your water intake, reducing sodium consumption...
  • One other thing, in this quest for health, the number on the scale is not the whole story. If you are seeing your love handles disappear and are getting tones, you are making progress. Don't diminish what is happening, you are making progress. Keep going. The weight will likely be reflected in the scale eventually, but just keep in mind that there is so much more to it than the number on the scale.
  • snewsome7
    snewsome7 Posts: 189
    What kinds of foods are the quick added calories for in your diary? Keep in mind, the quick added calories do not account for anything but calories. So you still have fat, sodium, carbs, you get the picture.
  • asimonis
    asimonis Posts: 1 Member
    I think that working on making healthier choices in your diet would be a great start. The key to weight loss has always been move more and eat fewer calories. It sounds like you are moving more, so the fewer calories part is where you need to focus now. Also, keep in mind that if you have begun strength training, you will be gaining more muscle than you did with cardio alone. Muscle is denser than fat, so it can add pounds on the scale, while you have actually lost fat.
  • ameyc2002
    ameyc2002 Posts: 247 Member
    stick with it , it will happen....
    just make sure you are watching your sodium as well
  • hyde1977
    hyde1977 Posts: 476 Member
    Taking a look at your diary...You have answered your own question.

    Losing weight is 80% diet and 20% exercise.

    A piece of fruit and chips is not a meal.

    Most days I looked at you are not eatting enough. Since you have so little to lose you need to consume more. Go to the search function and look up eatting more, losing the last 10 pounds. You will find some great articles.

    Less processed foods, lots of water, fruits, veggies, and good foods will help with weight lose.

    Best of Luck!!!!!
  • snewsome7
    snewsome7 Posts: 189
    Most days I looked at you are not eatting enough. Since you have so little to lose you need to consume more. Go to the search function and look up eatting more, losing the last 10 pounds. You will find some great articles.

    This is the last 10 pounds thread I saved. It is very informative.

    I still see many people that are confused or "question" the idea of eating your exercise calories. I wanted to try (as futile as this may turn out to be) to explain the concept in no uncertain terms. I'll save the question of "eating your exercise calories" for the end because I want people to understand WHY we say to do this.

    NOTE: I'm not going to use a lot of citation in this, but I don't want people thinking this is my opinion, I have put much careful research into it, most of which is very complicated and took a long time for me to sift through and summarize, and thanks to my chemical engineering background I have the tools to read clinical studies and translate them (somewhat) into more human terms. Some of this information comes from sources I can't forward because they are from pay sites (like New England Journal of Medicine), so you can ask for anything, but I may or may not be able to readily provide it for you (I can always tell you where to go if you want to though).

    I'll break it down into 3 sections.
    Section 1 will be our metabolic lifecycle or what happens when we eat and how our body burns fuel.
    Section 2 will be what happens when we receive too much, too little, or the wrong kind of fuel.
    Section 3 will be the steps needed to bring the body to a healthy state and how the body "thinks" on a sympathetic level (the automatic things our body does like digestion, and energy distribution).

    Section 1:
    Metabolism, in "layman's" terms, is the process of taking in food, breaking it down into it's components, using the food as fuel and building blocks, and the disposal of the poisons and waste that we ingest as part of it. Metabolism has three overall factors, genetics, nutrition, and environment. So who we are, what we eat, and how we live all contribute to how our metabolism works. You can control 2 of these 3 factors (nutrition, environment).
    When you eat food, it is broken down into it's component parts. Protein, vitamins and minerals are transported to the cells that need them to build new cells or repair existing cells. Fats(fatty acid molecules) and carbohydrates are processed (by 2 different means) and either immediately burned or stored for energy. Because the body doesn't store food in a pre-digested state, if you eat more carbs and fat then you need immediately, the body will save them for later in human fat cells (adipose tissue). This is important to realize because even if you eat the correct number of calories in a 24 hour period, if you eat in large quantities infrequently (more then you can burn during the digestion process), your body will still store the extra as fat and eliminate some of the nutrients. (Side note: this is why simple or processed carbs are worse for you compared with complex carbs)

    Section 2:
    The human body has a set metabolic rate (based on the criteria stated above), this rate can be changed by overall nutritional intake over a period of time, or by increasing activity levels also over a period of time (the exact amount of time for sustained increase in metabolic rates is the subject of some debate, but all studies agree that any increase in activity level will increase the metabolism).
    It is important to note that obesity does not drastically change the level of metabolic process, that means that if you become obese, you don't burn a higher fat percentage just because you have more to burn.
    The balance of incoming fuel vs the amount of fuel the body uses is called maintenance calories, or the amount of calories it takes to run your body during a normal day (not including exercise or an extremely lethargic day). The metabolism is a sympathetic process, this means it will utilize lower brain function to control it's level, it also means it can actively "learn" how a body is fitness wise, and knows approximately how much energy it needs to function correctly. It also means automatic reactions will happen when too much or too little fuel is taken in. Too much fuel triggers fat storage, adipose tissue expands and fat is deposited, also free "fat" cells (triglycerides) will circulate in the blood stream (HDL and LDL cholesterol). Too little fuel (again, over an extended period) triggers a survival mode instinct, where the body recognizes the lack of fuel coming in and attempts to minimize body function (slowing down of non-essential organ function) and the maximization of fat storage. It's important to note that this isn't a "switch", the body does this as an ongoing analysis and will adjust the levels of this as needed (there is no "line" between normal and survival mode.).
    When you're activity level increases, the human body will perform multiple functions, first, readily available carbohydrates and fats are broken down into fuel, oxidized, and sent directly to the areas that need fuel, next adipose (body) fat is retrieved, oxidized, and transported to the areas it is needed for additional fuel, 3rd (and this is important), if fat stores are not easily reachable (as in people with a healthy BMI where adipose fat is much more scarce), muscle is broken down and used for energy. What people must realize is that the metabolism is an efficiency engine, it will take the best available source of energy, if fat stores are too far away from the systems that need them or too dense to break down quickly, then it won't wait for the slower transfer, it will start breaking down muscle (while still breaking down some of that dense fat as well).

    Section 3:
    The wonderful part of the human metabolic system is it's ability to adapt and change. Just because your body has entered a certain state, doesn't mean it will stay that way. The downfall to this is that if organs go unused over a long period, they can lose functionality and can take years to fully recover(and sometimes never).
    As long as there is no permanent damage to organ function, most people can "re-train" their metabolism to be more efficient by essentially showing it (with the intake of the proper levels and nutritional elements) that it will always have the right amount and types of fuel. This is also known as a healthy nutritional intake.
    Going to the extreme one way or the other with fuel consumption will cause the metabolism to react, the more drastic the swing, the more drastic the metabolism reacts to this (for example, a diet that limits fat or carbohydrate intake to very low levels). In general terms, the metabolism will react with predictable results if fuel levels remain in a range it associates with normal fuel levels. If you raise these fuel levels it will react by storing more fat, if you lower these fuel levels, it will react by shutting down processes and storing fat for the "upcoming" famine levels. The most prominent immediate issues (in no particular order) with caloric levels below normal are reduced muscle function, reduction of muscle size and density, liver and kidney failures, increase in LDL (bad) cholesterol levels, and gallstones .


    Now onto the question of "Eating your exercise calories"

    As I have hinted to throughout this summary of metabolic process, the body has a "range" in which it feels it is receiving the right amount of fuel. The range (as most doctors and research scientists agree) is somewhere between 500 calories above your maintenance calories and 1000 calories below your maintenance calories. This means that the metabolism won't drastically change it's functionality in this range, with that said, this is not exact, it is a range based on averages, you may have a larger or smaller range based on the 3 factors of metabolism stated at the top.
    On our website (MyFitnessPal), when you enter your goals, there is a prebuilt deficit designed to keep you in the "normal" metabolic functionality while still burning more calories then you take in. This goal DOES NOT INCLUDE exercise until you enter it. If you enter exercise into your daily plan, the site automatically adjusts your total caloric needs to stay within that normal range (in other words, just put your exercise in, don't worry about doing any additional calculations). Not eating exercise calories can bring you outside that range and (if done over an extended period of days or weeks) will gradually send your body into survival mode, making it harder (but not impossible) to continue to lose weight. The important thing to understand is (and this is REALLY important) the closer you are to your overall healthy weight (again, your metabolism views this a a range, not a specific number) the more prominent the survival mode becomes (remember, we talked about efficiency). This is because as fat becomes scarce, muscle is easier to break down and transport. And thus, the reason why it's harder to lose that "Last 10 pounds".

    I really hope this puts a lot of questions to bed. I know people struggle with this issue and I want to make sure they have the straight facts of why we all harp on eating your exercise calories.

    -Regards,

    Banks
  • goldfinger88
    goldfinger88 Posts: 686 Member
    I've found through years of study of fitness and health and from personal experience that short bursts of exercise are much better for you and speed up your metabolism far better. The human body is not designed to run on a treadmill or other machine for a half hour or more. It's designed for short bursts of activity.

    As to your diet, I've not heard of it but fasting is not at all good for you. The weight you lost was more than likely just water. Fasting can even be dangerous.

    I suggest you just eat good, healthy, normal food. Go reasonably low in carbs. Keep in mind that when you eat more fat and protein, you eat less because you get full faster and stay full longer. That flies in the face of what most folks say. But most folks are obese since the low fat revolution.

    You didn't tell your age but women tend to gain weight at certain times and our weight fluctuates.

    Above all, don't be discouraged.
  • nehushtan
    nehushtan Posts: 566 Member
    I don't know our age, but I plugged 30 into an on-line "ideal weight" calculator. Based on that, your gender (female), current weight (132) and height (5' 2"), you are in the "healthy" BMI range.

    You say you are exercising all the time and including weight lifting, and you are "more toned" and your love handles are shrinking. So I'm guessing that you are LOSING FAT and GAINING MUSCLE. Muscle is more dense than fat, so a pound of muscle takes up less space on your frame -- makes you look better in the mirror -- than a pound of fat.

    Also, based on your "quick calorie" diary entries, you seem to be guessing the calorie content of a lot of what you eat. Do you live in Tokyo? Is it hard to find more exact information on what you are eating?

    Another issue is eating out, which you say you do every day. It's HARD to lose weight eating out a lot. Restaurants are notoriously bad about throwing in extra butter, oil, sugar, etc., because they want you to really enjoy the food and come back often. Plus restaurant portions are huge (in the US, anyway, don't know about Tokyo).

    Finally, I'll repeat what others said -- losing weight is 80 or maybe even 90 percent DIET. Exercise is icing on the cake (to use maybe an inappropriate metaphor). THEREFORE pay very careful attention to WHAT and HOW MUCH you are eating. It is really the core of the battle.
  • ohtokyo
    ohtokyo Posts: 6 Member
    Thanks to everyone who replied. To clarify, I've been using the "quick add" function kind of as a psychological tool after I've eaten a substantial meal. Seeing the "0 Calories Left" helps me to stop eating, etc. However, it could very well be that I am underestimating my calorie consumption on for these adds.

    I've tried eating more, but I can't help but feel disgusting afterward. I should also mention that I've battled with disordered eating in the past, so maybe my frustration isn't warranted at all, and I just need to work on being happier with myself in general.

    Starting today, I am going to try eating fruits, veggies and whole grains. I have done the low carb diet many times before but always seemed to gain back the weight (granted I never exercised and ate horribly). Maybe I'll curb my carbs and see where that gets me.

    Thanks again for everyone's advice. Any other advice would also be greatly appreciated!
  • wow SNEWSOME! that description was amazing! Thank you for the information. It made lots of since and you did well!
  • ohtokyo
    ohtokyo Posts: 6 Member
    Jenbusick - That sounds like a very reasonable way to start shifting my diet. I love barbecue and all fatty meats (pulled pork, barbecue beef...mmmmm...) so maybe I'll work on cutting back on those. Thank you :)
  • ohtokyo
    ohtokyo Posts: 6 Member
    snewsome7 - Thank you for the very thorough and informative post. I will be sure to go back to reference this if I ever begin to lose sight of the importance of eating enough calories. I'll try to adjust as needed to lose these last few pounds. Thanks again :)
  • after reading several of your posts. Let me ask you one question. Yesterday you added 890 or so calories as a quick add. Per your previous post you said you do this to bring it to 0, Does that mean you did not eat dinner at all? this is what I would suggest.

    1. You said you have battled disorders before. My suggestion dont use quick add calories jsut to bring you to 0. IF you are adding everything else correctly then you are not eating enough food. You need to only use what is in the system closest to what you just ate. Dont generalize it.

    2. Exercise builds muscle, you are in a healthy BMI, and you sound overall healthy. What is your motivation for loosing weight? My suggestion I would just exercise to make sure you stay healthy you keep the overall healthy weight and dont worry so much on loosing weight. It's very easy to go back to eating disorders whether its overeating and undereating and I would really hate to see anyone go back to something that is unhealthy while trying to be healthy.

    3. I know to someone who eats very little during the day that it would seem "nasty" to eat more than what you are eating now. But honestly as long as you get 400 calories per a meal you will be fine. thats 1200 calories if you just eat meals, and thats the lowest you should ever go on calories when trying to loose weight. That may still be to low for you as i dont know your lifestyle. I normally do around 350 a meal 200 for breakfast and add in two 100 calorie snacks. IF you think that what you are eating is bad then eat stuff like fruits and veggies.

    4. Fasting is very bad to be using as a weight loss tool. I would read newsome post and really understand. IT will tell you why fasting is bad for you when dieting.

    5. Last thing I promise. Eating out is bad. You do not always have the information you need in front of you to make an informed decision as to what you should eat. A hamburger, fries and soft drink from MacDonalds is well over 1000.00 calories. My suggestion is, IF you are going to eat out know what you are going to get before you walk out of the office, house, car etc. I plan everything on my app before I step foot in the door and I only change it if they come and say they dont have an ingredient for what i want. other than that I stick to it no matter what. I would suggest though that you should try sack lunches that you can take to work with you. They are much healthier than eating high fat foods from fast food restruants.
  • Weight loss is in 80% diet. Cut out as much processed food as you can and you'll start seeing a difference. Also watch your fat intake x
  • snewsome7
    snewsome7 Posts: 189
    wow SNEWSOME! that description was amazing! Thank you for the information. It made lots of since and you did well!

    That is not my words at all but I'm glad I could share it. There was a post a while back when I joined that I found that in. Banks is the original author!! I do not take credit for any of that!
  • snewsome7
    snewsome7 Posts: 189
    snewsome7 - Thank you for the very thorough and informative post. I will be sure to go back to reference this if I ever begin to lose sight of the importance of eating enough calories. I'll try to adjust as needed to lose these last few pounds. Thanks again :)

    You're welcome! I have that saved on my computer to look back at. The author of that post really knows their stuff! If you want to learn anything else, you can search stuff in the "search" bar (duh) haha on the forum options. 9 times out of 10 it will pull something up. Just keep in mind that everything you read may not be 100% true.
  • Oh. okay. i thought you wrote it snewsome. but still thank you for posting. very informative!
  • mrseelmerfudd
    mrseelmerfudd Posts: 506 Member
    I know that my eating hasn't been the greatest.

    Sort your diet out and you will see results. Diet is more important than exercise. I know this because I play sport every single day of the week and my diet was more than pants and I hit 16 stone. I've sorted out my diet and made no change to my exercise and I am losing. I know fro experience so definately try for a few weeks keeping under you limits and see how you get on :) good luck!
  • jenbusick
    jenbusick Posts: 528 Member
    Jenbusick - That sounds like a very reasonable way to start shifting my diet. I love barbecue and all fatty meats (pulled pork, barbecue beef...mmmmm...) so maybe I'll work on cutting back on those. Thank you :)

    Oh, man, ME TOO! Had pulled pork (Moe's Original BBQ ) Friday night, and will probably have BBQ at a local place today (maybe brisket. I love brisket. And brisket loves me; I can never get it to leave!)

    One of my best BBQ restaurant strategies is to Just Eat Half. I have to really psych myself up to it; it's hard not to just put the whole thing away. But if I only eat half my meal, I do fine at BBQ places.
  • Erihppas
    Erihppas Posts: 121 Member
    Hey Tokyo,

    Are you truly being honest with yourself about the food? You may have lost some weight but eating poorly would have cancelled it all out. Only you know the truth to that. If you are, well keep doing what you're doing. It's simple, calories in < calories out, that equation equals weight loss. (well it's not simple but the principle behind it is!)

    Good luck! Because I've been there, done that (sometimes I'm still there) and know how you feel.
  • Ventros
    Ventros Posts: 1
    Your body is like a bucket with a small hole in the bottom. The hole represents energy expenditure; that includes basal metabolic rate, exercise. You are constantly filling it though through your calorie intake.... obviously if we eat more than is escaping the water level will rise (not good if you are trying to lose weight). If you stopped eating altogether you will lose (initially) actual water weight first, especially if you go low carbs. This can be misleading, as your muscles are filled with a mixture of glycogen/water, as you go low carb, your body burns these stores and once depleted turn to burning fat, and in cases of extreme calorie restriction, muscle. The key to burning fat and not muscle is to burn more calories than you take in BUT (and this is a big BUT) gradually, so as not to trigger your bodies starvation mode response (slowing down your bodies metabolism, cannabalizing muscle tissue). You DO NOT want to burn muscle... yes, muscle weighs more than fat, but if you lose muscle weight, and still have the same fat percentage, you all of a sudden weigh less but are fatter relative to your bodyweight. Find a calorie intake to where you are in a deficit of 500 calories a day. This will burn 3500 in a week and that 3500 calories represents a pound of bodyweight, generally fat if you have a decent amount of protein. To put it in perspective, I am 200 lbs and I'm going with an 1800 calorie a day intake. To maintain I need 2300 calories, but I want to get to 180. On diet alone this will get me there in 20 weeks. But I do other activities, like cardio, lifting weights. This will factor in, and I expect to get there in 3-4 months. There are no shortcuts. You can try a crash diet, but you are just looking at water weight or muscle loss, not what you want in the long term. I recommend you take weekly photos to keep track of your journey, this holds you accountable and motivates you as the changes are slow, and to look back yesterday will reveal nothing, but to look back 6 or 12 weeks, now that will be true change and that will reaffirm you're on the right track. It's all diet I'm afraid, calories in vs calories out. You are either in a deficit or you are eating too much to allow the weight loss that you want.
  • jefflturn
    jefflturn Posts: 41
    Check your heart rate when you do your cardio. it could be that you are not in the fat burning zone. Your body can get use to exercize and therefore limit the weightloss benifits.
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