Why do I run like a turtle?

I have been holding back from asking for advice, because this is embarrassing....but I am so frustrated. I have been running since last fall. I posted awhile back about how my legs were getting tired before I had run as far as I wanted, I took everyone's advice to heart, and my legs are doing much better. I enjoy my runs, and I intend to keep running. But...no matter what I do...no matter what trick I try...I am running a 12.8 minute mile. Sometimes, I have time only to go out and run a mile or two...it takes me 12.8 minutes a mile. Sometimes, like today, I will go out and run 6 miles. It takes me 12.8 minutes a mile. I can go out with the intention of a leisurely, slow jog...12.8 minutes a mile. I can run with long strides as fast as I can, pretending I am being chased by a wild animal...12.8 minutes. I can run to Sinatra...12.8 minutes. I can put on upbeat 80's music....12.8 minutes. It's like I am stuck in some crappy parallel universe in which it is impossible to run faster than 12.8 minutes a mile. I really want to do a 5k, and I have no doubt I could run the whole thing...but it would take me 40 minutes, and I am not motivated to do a 5K knowing it is going to take me that long, no matter what I do. HELP ME!

Replies

  • PlunderBunneh
    PlunderBunneh Posts: 1,705 Member
    Try hopping on a treadmill and doing intervals at a slightly higher speed. Start out for a minute at slightly higher, then move up to two minutes the next day, and so on. It will come in time, but if you are enjoying just running, I wouldn't stress about the times.
  • jpfrimmer
    jpfrimmer Posts: 134
    Do you do any other exercise besides running? I am doing a weight lifting program and I can tell the when I have lifted the day before. My legs are more tired and I can't run as fast or as far on the day after lifting. Could this be it? What is your workout routine and how many days a week do you workout?
  • Toddrific
    Toddrific Posts: 1,114 Member
    Do intervals/fartleks/etc.

    Run really fast for 1 measure, then 1 walk one measure. (1/10th mile, block, whatevever)
    Run really fast for 30 seconds, rest, repeat.
  • bunnysone
    bunnysone Posts: 486 Member
    patience. And practice makes perfect.

    I'm a runner. I went from being unable to complete a km without stopping to running half marathons.

    all you need is patience and to KEEP GETTING OUT THERE and running.

    Running is NOT about how fast you go, it is about consistency and ENJOYING being out there. Stop worrying about your pace and start worrying about whether you are ENJOYING the run. If you aren''t, it will be hard to get back out there and perhaps you need to find a similar cardio exercise, like cycling :)
  • sandiki
    sandiki Posts: 454
    May sound crazy..but perhaps your shoes are the culprit.. Too heavy, improper fit, or just the wrong shoe for your stride and landing..have you been fitted for running shoes?
  • vadiane1
    vadiane1 Posts: 50
    I found that reading John Bingham's books REALLY helped me accept the fact I will never ever ever ever be a quick runner. He calls himself The Penguin. Helped me recognize the fact at least I am up on my feet and off my butt and couch. He has several books. Read them all and love them. His humor is something any of us can relate to. Hope this helps.
  • LondonEliza
    LondonEliza Posts: 456 Member
    Have you checked the equipment that is measuring your pace?
    Perhaps it is that which is stuck in another space/time continuem >just a thought<

    Might be worth checking with someone else's pedometer to see if the result is consistant
  • kristinwalker
    kristinwalker Posts: 100 Member
    I know how you feel! I have been there! One thing you can try is to not run your usual route and if you can get to a track or even some sort of a court (maybe a field if you are ok with grass-be careful with your ankles and knees in grass tho) it may help. Vary your running. Do a warm up jog around the track or court and use a watch or some sort of timer. Jog for 2 min, then sprint your butt off for the next min. Then jog for two min and sprint your butt off the next min. Do this for 20 min total with finishing with at 2-4min cool down. Doing this 2-3 times a week will retrain your muscles. Right now your muscles are used to a 12.8 min mile. Which by the way is not bad. That is what they know. What is probably happening is that your body is used to this time and when you try to run faster you slow down at some point when your muscles say EEEEEK! And vice-versa. You need to change the muscle memory and sprints is the best way to go. You can check out a C25K (I think it is) workout or I believe I saw one in this month's Fitness mag. (you could probably find one online). I know that this helped me to improve my runs when I had the same problem!
    Good Luck and good for you for getting out there and running! That is so awesome...proud of you!
    -Kristin
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    Run faster. Sounds stupid right? When i first joined the army I was a horrible runner. I was capable of running fast sprints but did badly at long runs. WHen I joined my mile times were similar to yours. In basic you really have no choice in the matter, but after I got to my unit my run slipped to the mid 14s for the 2 mile which was completely unacceptable to my PS. I just came to the conclusion that one of the reasons is that I was doing that slow "airborne" shuffle, which is a light jog, but it ended up doing more damage than anything. I learned to lengthen my stride and run with a purpose instead of just running to get it over with. That slow jog where you are barely moving takes just as much energy bouncing you up and down as it does to propel you foward at a faster pace.

    Also, as previously mentioned..shoes, shoes, shoes. Actually, soles soles soles. I bought some nice sole pads for my running shoes and a lot of my back problems and shin splints disappeared.
  • JaclynnGail
    JaclynnGail Posts: 204 Member
    You guys are right...I know it's not about the time, and I should be happy that I am enjoying it and motivated to do it. It just would be nice to see myself getting faster. It can be kind of frustrating to be out there and to feel in my head that I look like someone in a Nike commercial, and then to look at my watch and not to see any improvement, ever. I will try doing some intervals on the treadmill and outside and see how that works. Thanks for the advice.
  • dvisser1
    dvisser1 Posts: 788 Member
    You've found a natural stride and pace. Your legs like that pace and are trying to convince the rest of you that 12.8 minutes a mile is good. :tongue:

    Do you just do distance running or do you incorporate sprints or sprint and distance interval training? You have to get your legs used to turning over at a faster pace, but you don't want to mess up the running stride you've developed. Sprinting is a different stride, but will help get your legs used to moving faster. Sprint intervals being where you jog / run for 1/4 - 1/2 mile then sprint 100-200 yards then back into the run stride without stopping. Repeat as necessary until you've run 1-2 miles like that. You'll do distance training with high intensity intervals and keep you legs falling into the same old pace. Then you have to work on longer distances at a faster run pace, pushing your pace up for 1/2 mile at a time and then a mile at time.

    Doesn't have to be every workout, just enough to keep your legs and subconscious mind guessing a little.
  • Lleldiranne
    Lleldiranne Posts: 5,516 Member
    When I am trying to increase my speed, I use a treadmill. After warming up, I put the speed up higher than my comfortable but about .2-.3 mph (so, my comfortable/15 min+ speed right now is 6.3 mph, I put it up to 6.5 or 6.6). My goal is to make it at least 5 minutes. The next time, I try to make it to 10. Once I can do that, my goal is 15 minutes. I should clarify that this is in one chunk - I almost always go for 30 minutes on the treadmill. After I've pushed myself to my goal, I allow a a recovery walk for a few minutes (around 4.3 mph for me, but I'm a fast walker) and then I put the speed back up for another 5 minutes, 2 minutes, 1 minute, whatever I can do before I need to walk again. When I started, I was at 5 mph (that's about where you are I think). I've been going at it slowly, can only make it to the gym and trreadmill a couple of days a week, so it's taken me a few months to get up to where I am now. (The other days I work out at home with a high intensity video like Tae Bo or Jillian Michaels, it helps train the cardio any way). My goal is to get to about 7 mph before I settle in with it again at running a 10K.
  • Karstenf
    Karstenf Posts: 85 Member
    If you've only done steady-state training, then your muscles are doing what they are trained for. You need to developthe quick twitch muscle fibers in your legs. Try mixing in some sprint training and HIIT (high intensity interval training). I had the same issue last year. I read somewhere that a healthy male my age should be able to run a 9 minute mile...challenge accepted. Granted, I had quit smoking 6 months before that, so my expectations were low. Another 6 months down the road, 12 minutes was the best I could do. I felt like I was really giving it my all, too, so it was very frustrating. So I did a little research just before Christmas and found HIIT. You sprint all out (90% effort) for 30 seconds, then jog (60-70% effort) for 2 minutes; do this for a total of 20-30 minutes. Do this for 2 weeks, every other day, then adjust the time intervals proportionally. 60 seconds all out, 90 seconds recovery (jog), for another 2 weeks. Take 2 days off, then go run 1 full mile and see if it has made a difference. I shaved off 45 seconds the first time. Now it's time for shuttle sprints and suicides. Rest 60 seconds between each. Also continue with HIIT, going all out for 60 seconds, then jog for 60; again 20-30 minutes total. It's not gonna happen overnight, but I'm sure some kind of change will be entirely welcome! By the way, I'm running a 9 minute mile every morning now as my warmup before strength training, so it worked for me. Good luck!
  • 99clmsntgr
    99clmsntgr Posts: 777 Member
    A couple thoughts - First off, you're enjoying your runs, you're burning calories, be happy with that, everything else is just gravy. Performance (the extra sloppy gravy) will come over time.

    Second, it took me a long time to start gaining speed in my running. I agree with everyone who said that intervals will help. The other thing that helped me was extending my training from 5k's to half-marathons. Those long runs on the weekend help build endurance and allow your body to work harder (read as faster) on the shorter duration runs. Once I started incorporating a real LSD on the weekends, my running times really started coming down.
  • sweet110
    sweet110 Posts: 332 Member
    You've gotten three suggestions. And ALL of them are good.

    1. I have to second the fast interval strategies. Essentially, if you want to get faster, you have to train for speed. So do sprint work. And sprint.

    2. I also have to second the patience. It sounds like running is new to you. Just keep at it. Improvements will come.

    3. And acceptance. We're not all built to be fast. I'm 4'11". I'll never be fast. Legs too short. I got over it.
  • emmaleigh47
    emmaleigh47 Posts: 1,670 Member
    This is probably not what you would like to hear but ...

    I would KILL for 40 minutes for a 5K. My PR is a 41:57 and I have been running for almost 2 years now.

    :)
  • dougii
    dougii Posts: 679 Member
    You are doing great. Go for the 5K anyway and you will surely find that you are not the slowest runner out there (I find I tend to run a bit faster when I run with others that are faster than I am). Run for the pure pleasure and don't worry overly about your speed.
  • Yanicka1
    Yanicka1 Posts: 4,564 Member
    Try doing one minute run/ walk intervals. It will help
  • emmaleigh47
    emmaleigh47 Posts: 1,670 Member
    Oops I forgot my real advice ...

    Count your cadence (the number of times your left foot hits the ground) for 30 seconds and multiply by 4 ... this is your cadence.
    To try and speed up, focus on increasing your cadence!
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    I say, sign up for a 5k anyway! So what if it takes you 40 minutes! Nothing wrong with that at all. You're still out there and doing it. And chances are, with other runners around you, you'll end up faster than you think you will.
  • Karstenf
    Karstenf Posts: 85 Member
    Forgot to mention, I looked at this post to see how a turtle runs, physically, not time-wise. :bigsmile:
  • kazzari
    kazzari Posts: 473 Member
    Welcome to my running world! I run at almost the same speed as you. And I was training for triathlons... I did six sprints within a 2 year period. I bought a book on running to see if I could help improve my speed. I ran my fastest 5 k in 36 minutes, but during training runs it takes me 38 minutes to run 3 miles. I was not much faster in the water or on the bike either. To top it all off all of that endurance training took away from my weight training and I got fatter. So sorry, I can't really help you, I can only empathize.
  • MamaWannaRun
    MamaWannaRun Posts: 273 Member
    Lots of great suggestions here! YOU ARE DOING FABULOUS! Keep at it.

    For my two cents: Intervals are KEY! I HATE INTERVAL TRAINING! It is boring to count 30 seconds, etc., etc....

    Now, I will tell you I NEVER do intervals, but instead, I do two things:
    - I add 1 mile to my long run every weekend. It has helped with endurance and thus speed. I am now at 12 miles on my long run day. NOW, don't get me wrong, I cannot run for 12 miles non-stop, so guess what? I TRICK myself into intervals and don't even realize it. My time went from almost 15 minute miles (for the long runs) down to 11 and 12 minute miles for my 3 milers. I think when I do a 3 mile, I am just relieved and I kick *kitten* to get it over with..
    - i train like a mad woman, ON HILLS. Hills are simply speed training in disguise too. Same reasons as above!
  • darrindlb
    darrindlb Posts: 6 Member
    I can truly understand your issue. I started running last Jan. My first ever 5K was April 2011 with a time of 44 minutes and 39 seconds. I was able to get a time of 39 minutes 38 seconds in my last 5K in December 2011. I ran a total of five 5K races in 2011. The reason for my increase speed because of my training for a March 2012 half marathon. I workup to a long run of 14 miles. You may want to run a watch with stopwatch so you are able to time your running.
  • pdworkman
    pdworkman Posts: 1,342 Member
    I like iSmoothRun on the iPhone, you can set your pace and it will tell you speed up or slow down.