Ghee?

Casi23
Casi23 Posts: 138 Member
edited December 18 in Food and Nutrition
Does anyone have any experience with it?

I came across a recipe for braised cauliflower on an online CrossFit journal this week and it called for this obscure form of butter. I normally don't cook with butter - because it's high fat/cholesterol content and I don't like the way margerine tastes - so I just stay away from the stuff all together.

However, I've read some web sites claim that Ghee has some GOOD fats for you (if used in moderation - like everything else) and it also contains some protein. So I'm thinking of trying it - another plus...apparently you can store it at room temperature and it can last for years...so if I only use a little at a time, it won't go bad.

I'm a fan of CrossFit and some of the health/diet choices associated with it...so I am inclined to trust that this Ghee stuff is relatively good for me...again - when used properly.

Just wondering if anyone has had experience with it or know if any of the 'healthier-than-butter' claims have a stitch of truth to them...

Thanks!
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  • melsinct
    melsinct Posts: 3,512 Member
    Ghee is clarified butter. I wouldn't call it healthy by any means. The only benefit over butter is ghee has more medium and short chain fatty acids than butter.

    Other than that, ghee gives butter a high smoke point. For cooking at high temps, it's great!
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    Ghee is clarified butter.
    Don't tell the Indian sub continent that.
  • melsinct
    melsinct Posts: 3,512 Member
    Ghee is clarified butter.
    Don't tell the Indian sub continent that.

    Without getting into great detail on the entire process of making ghee (since the OP is asking about health benefits, not ghee making), I think it is safe to say at its essence ghee is a form of clarified butter. I don't even think you can get the proper milk (with the cream) for making ghee at home in the US.
  • lfholland
    lfholland Posts: 37 Member
    Ghee is just butter with the milk solids removed. it is popular in India and Indian cuisine. I like it and as long as you use it moderation, you will be fine.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    The basic health benefit is in the properties found in saturated fat, and cooking the butter to a light brown color adds a unique flavor as well, not found in other fats. If your using organic butter from pasture cattle to begin with then the amount of polyunsaturated fats are minimal compared to regular butter, which is still low compared to vegetable fats, which is paramount when looking for a fat to cook with. Imported Ghee can be found in most Southeast Asian stores.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    Ghee is clarified butter.
    Don't tell the Indian sub continent that.

    Without getting into great detail on the entire process of making ghee (since the OP is asking about health benefits, not ghee making), I think it is safe to say at its essence ghee is a form of clarified butter. I don't even think you can get the proper milk (with the cream) for making ghee at home in the US.
    You can also buy clarified butter......k
  • Casi23
    Casi23 Posts: 138 Member
    Thanks everyone! The posts did help. I'm a big fan of 'everything in moderation' anyway - so if I do buy it, I'll be sure to keep that in mind.
  • treetop57
    treetop57 Posts: 1,578 Member
    I'd always heard that ghee is high in saturated fat . . . therefore bad. More recently, I'd heard that the browning process that gives ghee its brown color and nutty flavor resulted in a super oxidized cholesterol . . . therefore especially bad.

    But apparently the latest research indicates it may be beneficial for cardiovascular health in moderate quantities.
    Health Consequences of Ghee and Butter

    Research on ghee and health is limited, but fairly consistent. When ghee is consumed at levels above 10% total calories, it can increase risk of cardiovascular disease. (For a person consuming 1,800 calories per day, 10% of those calories would be 180 calories, or about 20 grams of fat, which equals approximately 2 tablespoons of ghee.) At levels under 10% of total calories, however, ghee appears to help lower cardiovascular risks, especially when other fats consumed during the day are exclusively from plants or plant oils.

    Butter, like ghee, can increase risk of cardiovascular disease when consumed in excessive amounts. One research study has shown that 3 tablespoons of butter per day over 4 weeks can increase total cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol. For this reason, if you are going to cook with butter, you will want to keep the amount at a moderate level of no more than 1-2 tablespoons.

    The benefits of butter at moderate levels do not yet have the same level of research backing as ghee. However, there is increasing research interest in butter as having some unique potential benefits of its own, particularly in relationship to its vitamin K and vitamin D content. This content may vary, however, depending on the diet and living circumstances of the dairy cow. (We look forward to new research in this area, especially with respect to vitamin K2.)

    http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=newtip&dbid=9

    Once again "everything in moderation" wins the day!
  • GasMasterFlash
    GasMasterFlash Posts: 2,206 Member
    My niece watches that show, but I can't get into it. I don't like most musicals much, myself. I like Sondheim, but that's about it. Plus, who wants to watch a show about high school kids? Lame.
  • treetop57
    treetop57 Posts: 1,578 Member
    Heretic!

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  • stacygayle
    stacygayle Posts: 349 Member
    just remember that real butter is better for you than margarine.....it has 2 ingredients cream and salt (if you get the salted) margarine has what 20 ingredients more than half you need a dictionary so you know what they are. I only use real butter or olive oil to cook with. Butter is fine in moderation.....not Julia Childs or Paula Deen moderation either lol
  • prism6
    prism6 Posts: 484 Member
    um, anything that can safely sit on a shelf for years is suspect.....
  • nunep
    nunep Posts: 21
    Not GLEE, she is asking about GHEE.
  • SPNLuver83
    SPNLuver83 Posts: 2,050 Member
    Any food that can last for a couple of years like that does not sound very healthy to me.
  • GasMasterFlash
    GasMasterFlash Posts: 2,206 Member
    Not GLEE, she is asking about GHEE.
    Awwwwww. What the hell is ghee?
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Wait, butter is unhealthy? Since when? Stearic acid (the saturated fat in butter) is very good for your heart.
  • GasMasterFlash
    GasMasterFlash Posts: 2,206 Member
    um, anything that can safely sit on a shelf for years is suspect.....
    Like honey! That ****'ll kill ya!
  • treetop57
    treetop57 Posts: 1,578 Member
    Wait, butter is unhealthy? Since when? Stearic acid (the saturated fat in butter) is very good for your heart.

    Too much butter is (by definition) too much. That's all I'm saying!
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Wait, butter is unhealthy? Since when? Stearic acid (the saturated fat in butter) is very good for your heart.

    Too much butter is (by definition) too much. That's all I'm saying!
    Too much <anything> is too much. :drinker:
  • Because those sub-continenters are known for being such fatties. /blink

    To the poster above who said butter is better because of fewer ingredients: absolutely! I applaud the people in this thread who sensibly recommend moderation. And even posted the latest research re: saturated fats! Good job! There's hope yet for Internet intelligence. ;)
  • treetop57
    treetop57 Posts: 1,578 Member
    Too much <anything> is too much. :drinker:

    Except too much moderation. Wait. What?
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Except too much moderation. Wait. What?
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  • Any food that can last for a couple of years like that does not sound very healthy to me.

    Peanut butter? Honey? Rice?
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    Mother nature strikes again.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10063298
    Abstract
    In contrast to earlier epidemiologic studies showing a low prevalence of atherosclerotic heart disease (AHD) and type-2 dependent diabetes mellitus (Type-2 DM) in the Indian subcontinent, over the recent years, there has been an alarming increase in the prevalence of these diseases in Indians--both abroad and at home, attributable to increased dietary fat intake. Replacing the traditional cooking fats condemned to be atherogenic, with refined vegetable oils promoted as "heart-friendly" because of their polyunsaturated fatty acid (PUFA) content, unfortunately, has not been able to curtail this trend. Current data on dietary fats indicate that it is not just the presence of PUFA but the type of PUFA that is important--a high PUFA n-6 content and high n-6/n-3 ratio in dietary fats being atherogenic and diabetogenic. The newer "heart-friendly" oils like sunflower or safflower oils possess this undesirable PUFA content and there are numerous research data now available to indicate that the sole use or excess intake of these newer vegetable oils are actually detrimental to health and switching to a combination of different types of fats including the traditional cooking fats like ghee, coconut oil and mustard oil would actually reduce the risk of dyslipidaemias, AHD and Type-2 DM.

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  • treetop57
    treetop57 Posts: 1,578 Member
    Interesting. In the 1980s when they were pushing safflower oil, my nose told me the stuff can't be very good. It would go rancid in a matter of a day or two and I decided that inedible rancid oil wasn't something I wanted in my mouth.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    Treetop the correlation between saturated fat and cadiovascular disease is generally associated with increased LDL, but that isn't the whole picture.

    When saturated fat is replacing plant oils it increases our total cholesterol levels with both HDL and LDL going up. The main reason this happens is in the size of the lipoproteins (capsules) that the cholesterol is being transported in. Saturated fat increases the size of those lipoproteins compared to other fat, like I said, but doesn't neccessarily deliver more actual particles. Blood cholesterol is measured in milligrams per deciliter (ml/dl) so total weight is increased, but generally no more or fewer actual capsules (lipoproteins) are actually seen. The larger particles are known to be less atherogenic, so while our cholesterol might go up, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Even though they've lowered saturated fat to 7% from 10%, they can't find a lower limit that is safe, which if there was a lower safe limit, then that would have 30, 40, 50 years ago been easly proven that saturated fat caused heart disease, but as we know, the opposite is now becoming conventional wisdom.
    Interesting. In the 1980s when they were pushing safflower oil, my nose told me the stuff can't be very good. It would go rancid in a matter of a day or two and I decided that inedible rancid oil wasn't something I wanted in my mouth.
    Butter, like ghee, can increase risk of cardiovascular disease when consumed in excessive amounts. One research study has shown that 3 tablespoons of butter per day over 4 weeks can increase total cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol. For this reason, if you are going to cook with butter, you will want to keep the amount at a moderate level of no more than 1-2 tablespoons.
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  • 1a1a
    1a1a Posts: 761 Member
    All things in moderation, ghee is the missing ingredient in making authentic Indian cuisine, you can also use it to make semolina (mmmmm). I treat it like a treat and it can indeed last for years.
  • AeolianHarp
    AeolianHarp Posts: 463 Member
    Ghee isn't bad. Eat up.
  • Savyna
    Savyna Posts: 789 Member
    I enjoy ghee and also the smell of it. I think it lasting for years on the shelf could point to a time where people didn't have refrigeration and needed something that could be used without it spoiling. I don't usually cook with it though.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    The reason why natural saturated fat doesn't go rancid easily is because it doesn't go rancid easily. lol, I know that sounds odd, but it true. The longer the isomer in the fatty acids chain the more suseptable it is to oxidation through light, heat and oxygen with the n:22's like omega's very suseptable to oxidation and saturated fats are much lower on the chain. Coconut oil for example sits at 12 in the carbon acid chain. Tigersword mentioned Stearic acid which is 18 on the carbon chain, but it's also metabolised differently and absorbed by the liver and used as ATP mostly and conversely has been deemed a good saturated fat by conventional wisdom standards mostly because it's not stored conventionally. Ghee, butter, coconut and palm oils have few polyunsaturated fats and the reason their more protective cardiovacualrly speaking and the least likely to go rancid and why their also good for cooking.
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