I defy anyone to show me....
Bartman67
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where exactly on this site, OTHER THAN in a forum post that says you need to net your BMR. Let me explain....
According to the BMR calculator under tools (which I assume is the same formula they use to set up your profile). My BMR IS 2165. I am a Male, 45 years old, 5 ft. 10 in and 280.8 lbs. For my profile, I entered Sedentary (desk job), so the activity multiplier for TDEE is 1.25 (i am actually not positive which multiplier they use, but this comes the closest to make my point, i have seen anywhere from 1.2 to 1.3 for sedentary so this is the median) which puts my TDEE at 2706. I want to lose 2 pounds per week. To do that you need to have a 1000 calorie deficit per day. That would mean that my calorie goal daily would be 1706. MFP has me at 1730, so close enough for me. Now, tell me, how the hell am I supposed to NET my BMR and still have a 1000 calorie deficit in a day. I need to NET 1730, not my BMR.
If I eat 1730 and exercise for 400 calories, I can eat 2130. I am not going to eat another 500 calories to net my BMR, that is sabotaging myself by half.
By the way, doing it my way has me losing 2 lbs. per week. Imagine that...
According to the BMR calculator under tools (which I assume is the same formula they use to set up your profile). My BMR IS 2165. I am a Male, 45 years old, 5 ft. 10 in and 280.8 lbs. For my profile, I entered Sedentary (desk job), so the activity multiplier for TDEE is 1.25 (i am actually not positive which multiplier they use, but this comes the closest to make my point, i have seen anywhere from 1.2 to 1.3 for sedentary so this is the median) which puts my TDEE at 2706. I want to lose 2 pounds per week. To do that you need to have a 1000 calorie deficit per day. That would mean that my calorie goal daily would be 1706. MFP has me at 1730, so close enough for me. Now, tell me, how the hell am I supposed to NET my BMR and still have a 1000 calorie deficit in a day. I need to NET 1730, not my BMR.
If I eat 1730 and exercise for 400 calories, I can eat 2130. I am not going to eat another 500 calories to net my BMR, that is sabotaging myself by half.
By the way, doing it my way has me losing 2 lbs. per week. Imagine that...
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When you launch your web site and mobile app, be sure to come back and let us all know.:drinker:0
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So you're saying that the formula is failing thousands of other people on here who are successfully losing weight? I'm confused now. :ohwell:0
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You aren't. You're supposed to adjust the rate you want to lose.....Why is 2lb / week so critical?where exactly on this site, OTHER THAN in a forum post that says you need to net your BMR. Let me explain....
According to the BMR calculator under tools (which I assume is the same formula they use to set up your profile). My BMR IS 2165. I am a Male, 45 years old, 5 ft. 10 in and 280.8 lbs. For my profile, I entered Sedentary (desk job), so the activity multiplier for TDEE is 1.25 (i am actually not positive which multiplier they use, but this comes the closest to make my point, i have seen anywhere from 1.2 to 1.3 for sedentary so this is the median) which puts my TDEE at 2706. I want to lose 2 pounds per week. To do that you need to have a 1000 calorie deficit per day. That would mean that my calorie goal daily would be 1706. MFP has me at 1730, so close enough for me. Now, tell me, how the hell am I supposed to NET my BMR and still have a 1000 calorie deficit in a day. I need to NET 1730, not my BMR.
If I eat 1730 and exercise for 400 calories, I can eat 2130. I am not going to eat another 500 calories to net my BMR, that is sabotaging myself by half.
By the way, doing it my way has me losing 2 lbs. per week. Imagine that...0 -
what are you so angry about?? need more calories??0
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As someone who has a lot of weight to lose (no offense) you can afford a bigger deficit than most. If I had a 1000 calorie deficit, I would be doing some serious damage. If you want to keep doing what you're doing, fine. Do it until it stops working and then try something else. That's how this works.0
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You should do what works best for you. Please keep in mind that if you ever hit a plateau, the answer is more calories, not less.0
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EXACTLY.
It's a mathematical impossiblity to lose a significant amount of weight per week when you are in/near the healthy range and not go below your BMR for the very reason you described. People will tell you "oh you should only have a 10-15% cut from your TDEE"....but for some of us this would lead to you losing like 1 lb every four weeks, which is pointless.
You may not be in the healthy range but the same principal applies. You also have more wiggle room because your BMR is inflated due to your wieght.
All the fear mongering that surrounds eating below your BMR is a crock of SH as far as I am concerned.
Eat what MFP tells you to, and make sure you are including accurate cal burns from exercise (with a Heart Rate Monitor) and eating them back. You will do great!0 -
If only the MFP know-it-alls would have consulted you first......:drinker:0
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When you launch your web site and mobile app, be sure to come back and let us all know.:drinker:
I don't think he's talking about the info that the website provides... he's talking about all the forums that say to eat your BMR in calories to lose weight.
I'm with the original poster... if you're gonna do that, you've gotta exercise but NOT eat back the calories to create a deficit.
HOWEVER... there is a diet plan out there called "Fat to Fit" that seems to go by this philosophy. The basic (and I'll stress basic because I have not researched it very deeply at all) premise is that if you eat the calories needed to maintain your BMR + activity level based on your GOAL weight, then you'll reach your goal weight eventually. Your exercise calories are already calculated in, so you don't eat them back as far as I can tell. This is what they calculated for me (5'6", 154 currently, goal weight of 132 lbs):
BMR = 1461 calories
Activity Level // Daily Calories
Sedentary (little or no exercise, desk job) // 1639
Lightly Active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk) // 1878
Moderately Active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk) // 2117
Very Active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/wk) // 2356
Extremely Active (hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or 2X day training, i.e marathon, contest etc.) // 2595
So... I NOT saying I support this or even know anything about it... just that this may be one source that provides the information you're asking about. Website is fat2fitradio.com.
I'm sure it's legit because they have podcasts and a book and everything (sarcasm).
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I've never seen anyone on the forums tell someone to net their BMR to lose weight . Your BMR is simply what you'd burn calorie wise (rough estimate) if you did absolutely nothing all day. From that you subtract a number calories to hit the lb/week goal you want (within reason) . You're allowed to add calories to be eaten from exercise, which is also a rough estimate.
The only reason you would eat your BMR calories is to use that as a base and then use working out to create your calorie deficit for the day. There are pros/cons to any strategy, just have to know what you're doing;0 -
every body type loses in different ways, what has worked for you will probably work for many others but not everyone. I think the one they use here is for the average Joe. it took me a while to work out what was best for me, and I still use this tool to help.
2 lbs a week is awesome. nice work0 -
I really do not have to 'imagine that'.....your have a deficit that = 2lb, and at first you should lose 2lb on average. Anyone with a significant amount of weight to lose can actually net below their BMR for a few months and not have too big a negative impact, however, as you progress and have less weight to lose, this does become a problem.
Also, most people do not say you will not lose weight with a significant deficit. The issue is whether it is healthy or sustainable in the long term.0 -
EXACTLY.
It's a mathematical impossiblity to lose a significant amount of weight per week when you are in/near the healthy range and not go below your BMR for the very reason you described. People will tell you "oh you should only have a 10-15% cut from your TDEE"....but for some of us this would lead to you losing like 1 lb every four weeks, which is pointless.
You may not be in the healthy range but the same principal applies. You also have more wiggle room because your BMR is inflated due to your wieght.
All the fear mongering that surrounds eating below your BMR is a crock of SH as far as I am concerned.
Eat what MFP tells you to, and make sure you are including accurate cal burns from exercise (with a Heart Rate Monitor) and eating them back. You will do great!
1 pound every four weeks is pointless and insignificant? That's 13 pounds a year. I suppose it would be just as pointless and insignificant if you were to say... put ON 1/4 pound a week for the entire year?
That was just silly. Sorry. Couldn't help commenting on that.
To the OP: the bigger you are, the better your body can stand a bigger deficit for a while. I ate at or near a net of 0 calories all the time when I started. It got to a point where that was not working. What worked? Eating more...0 -
TDEE - 20%.
Eat back exercise cals.
Readjust every 10% of bodyweight lost.
Doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.0 -
I dont think anyone says you cant loose weight going below BRM. But what kind of weight are you loosing? Is it just fat or is it muscle and organ tissue?
Your body NEEDS a certain amount of calories a day to function and also to do any activities you decide to do. Activities that range from getting out of bed to running a marathon. Your body will get these calories whether you eat them or not. The question then becomes where is it getting them if you are not eating them? Answer: your body.
If your deficit is low enough the majority of these calorie deficits will come from stored fat. If it is higher it will also come from muscle and organ tissue. If it is really high your body might just take it all from muscle and organs causing serious long term harm. Can we all agree that is a bad thing? Even if it looks great on a scale?0 -
Man! Where were you like a year ago when I needed to lose 60 lbs!? I don't know how I got along without your insight!0
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dunno, do what works for you. when people ask for advice, others will try to help out. bmr is just an average, isn't it? it's possible for some people to fall below or above it.
let your results -- weight, health, body fat, strength, etc... tell the tale.0 -
Wait... Are we talking just weight loss? Or fat loss while maintaining as much muscle mass as possible?0
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I dont think anyone says you cant loose weight going below BRM. But what kind of weight are you loosing? Is it just fat or is it muscle and organ tissue?
Your body NEEDS a certain amount of calories a day to function and also to do any activities you decide to do. Activities that range from getting out of bed to running a marathon. Your body will get these calories whether you eat them or not. The question then becomes where is it getting them if you are not eating them? Answer: your body.
If your deficit is low enough the majority of these calorie deficits will come from stored fat. If it is higher it will also come from muscle and organ tissue. If it is really high your body might just take it all from muscle and organs causing serious long term harm. Can we all agree that is a bad thing? Even if it looks great on a scale?
Yup.0 -
I'm sorry dude, but you lost me with all that math.0
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I dont think anyone says you cant loose weight going below BRM. But what kind of weight are you loosing? Is it just fat or is it muscle and organ tissue?
Your body NEEDS a certain amount of calories a day to function and also to do any activities you decide to do. Activities that range from getting out of bed to running a marathon. Your body will get these calories whether you eat them or not. The question then becomes where is it getting them if you are not eating them? Answer: your body.
If your deficit is low enough the majority of these calorie deficits will come from stored fat. If it is higher it will also come from muscle and organ tissue. If it is really high your body might just take it all from muscle and organs causing serious long term harm. Can we all agree that is a bad thing? Even if it looks great on a scale?
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MFP doesn't say that, and many believe that is the problem.
MFP is a calorie tracking tool, it is not the end all and be all of weight loss and fitness. In a way, MFP sets folks up for a plateau. Now, don't get me wrong, this isn't true for every situation. MFP is actually quite capable of helping people reach their fitness goals IF THEY USE THE TOOL CORRECTLY. The thing is, you have to equip yourself with the proper knowledge to make an informed decision about what your calorie goals should be. You shouldn't just arbitrarily set your deficit at 2 pounds a week just because MFP will let you.
If a 2 pound deficit means you have to eat well below your BMR, you shouldn't be doing it, IMHO.
Anyway, you still have a deficit if you make sure to net your BMR. You might lose 1 pound a week instead of 2, but you'll be much happier doing it. I look at my weight loss as a marathon not a sprint. Sites like Fat 2 Fit Radio offer "dieters"* much more realistic goals and provide lots of additional information.
* hate that word, but I can't think of a better one.0 -
So do this!
Take TDEE and subtract 20% from it and call it a day.
You wont have to eat back any cals.
Just make sure you pick things up and put them down for 20 mins 3 times a week and walk every once in a while.0 -
I honestly don't care what other people decide to do. If you are cool, do you.0
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Of course you'll lose weight by eating below your BMR. You'll probably lose quite a bit of weight, actually. But keep it up over an extended period of time, and your health will go right along with it.0
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BMR assumes that you're at rest. So it's what your body would burn just functioning if you laid in bed all day. If your net calories end up at your BMR your giving your body just enough calories to function (which is why some people suggest that you don't let your net calories fall below your BMR), but you still have the calorie deficit from your regular daily activities.0
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Oh for heaven's sake...eat a cookie.0
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I'm really confused on what exactly your question is.
BMR is an abstract of what's estimated to be your metabolic rate. It's not static. Meaning that it can change given different variables. One of which variables is your bodies desire for homeostasis, inputs and expenditures another. Example: Jane has a BMR estimated to be roughly 1750. If she eats at or above 1750 (again, estimates) she will continue a PREDICTABLE metabolic rate. She can increase this through exercise if her diet supports that, she can decrease this by extended calorie restriction.
If Jane calorie restricts to 1000. She will lose weight at first. Then, in time her body will adapt by lowering her metabolic rate. I invite you to research diet induced thermogenesis, if you need some clarification on the physiology of this process.
The 1000 deficit is really a threshold. Depending on your body this might be higher. But what's consistent is the window narrows the closer to your ideal you get.0
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