Liquor, beer and diet
creativefrugalmom
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So, I am doing great with my workouts and eating right (except for this past Sat.). I put thought into meals and planning; however, I am under a tremendous amount of stress right now. My step daughter, who I love dearly, has had a horrible attitude lately (she has lived with us for 3 years) and we have had to put my autistic, mentally challenged, bi-polar (high functioning) step son in the state school (supported community living center) because of his violent tendencies. I have a daughter who has her head on straight and I hardly ever have to worry about. She shoots straight with me about everything. I have raised my step son (son) for the past 6 years and now my step daughter for the past 3. It weighs very heavily on me because mom still gets say so, even though she hasn't spent more than two weeks total with them over the past 3 years.
Sorry to rant and I need to get to the point. Having a few drinks every night calms and relaxes me and helps me go to sleep. I have tried to switch over to rum or whiskey and Coke Zero vs. beer. I do like my beer sometimes as well. But, how badly does it hurt as far as being able to burn the calories when I'm drinking whiskey or rum? Working out is helping my stress level, but not as much as I need. I don't want to go on anti-depressants and will ONLY do it as a last resort. I know that they are there for a reason and have definitely experienced that with my son (step-son). Will do it if I have to, but would rather have a few drinks at night, but I just don't want to throw away what I am working so hard for everyday!
Help!!! All advice is welcomed.
Sorry to rant and I need to get to the point. Having a few drinks every night calms and relaxes me and helps me go to sleep. I have tried to switch over to rum or whiskey and Coke Zero vs. beer. I do like my beer sometimes as well. But, how badly does it hurt as far as being able to burn the calories when I'm drinking whiskey or rum? Working out is helping my stress level, but not as much as I need. I don't want to go on anti-depressants and will ONLY do it as a last resort. I know that they are there for a reason and have definitely experienced that with my son (step-son). Will do it if I have to, but would rather have a few drinks at night, but I just don't want to throw away what I am working so hard for everyday!
Help!!! All advice is welcomed.
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I looked at your diary. I hate to say this, but that's not just "a few drinks."
Moderate drinking is defined as "no more than 3-4 standard drinks per drinking episode, no more than 9 drinks per week for women and 12-14 for men.
"A standard drink is equal to
a 12 oz (355 ml.) beer with 5% alcohol (average for most U.S. beers).
A 5 oz. (150 ml.) glass of wine (12.5% alcohol).
1.5 oz. (45 ml.) of 80 proof liquor (40% alcohol)."
I can't even imagine what you're going through, and antidepressants do have side effects...but three or four or six beers, or five or six or seven shots of whiskey, night after night, are going to cause their own problems that have nothing to do with weight. Your weight loss will likely stall pretty bad, though. Maltose, the sugar in beer, is one of the two or three worst for causing weight gain.
From Dr. Weil's web site: "When you're trying to lose weight, alcohol also works against you because the calories it supplies are 'empty' - they provide you with no beneficial nutrients. Another consideration: alcohol can also slow the process by which your body burns fat. The alcohol calories you consume aren't stored. Instead, they're converted to acetate, a type of fuel that the body burns quickly. As a result, you burn off your alcohol calories before you burn the fat you are trying to eliminate by increasing your exercise and cutting back on your food intake."
I do hope things improve for you.0 -
I know that when my stress levels go through the roof and I've already worked out so much that the only reason I stopped running was because my leg gave out and I had to sit on the curb for ten minutes before I felt like I could walk home, reading, watching movies or television shows, writing, drawing, playing Fallout 3 -- any form of escapism, really -- help me out a lot.
Instead of drinking alcohol, make yourself a mug of Earl Grey tea (I really like Republic of Tea's Earl Greyer) and watch some episodes of something on Netflix. If you feel like you need to eat something when you're watching stuff, or drink alcohol, sublimate those urges by picking up something else to do with your hands, something productive like knitting. You're not actually hungry, and you don't actually need alcohol -- you're just bored, a creature of habit, or you legitimately have an addiction you need to kick.0 -
You're likely doing your body more harm by self-medicating with alcohol than by taking an antidepressant. If you need to drink every night to handle stress, that's a problem. I know I sound judgmental, but I'm not trying to-- as the child of two now-sober alcoholics and sister to one, I hate to see anyone succumb to using alcohol as a means for escape/feeling better. I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I do think the drinking far outweighs the issue of gaining weight from it.0
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I looked at your diary. I hate to say this, but that's not just "a few drinks."
This Wishing you all the best!
I can't even imagine what you're going through, and antidepressants do have side effects...but three or four or six beers, or five or six or seven shots of whiskey, night after night, are going to cause their own problems that have nothing to do with weight. Your weight loss will likely stall pretty bad, though. Maltose, the sugar in beer, is one of the two or three worst for causing weight gain.
From Dr. Weil's web site: "When you're trying to lose weight, alcohol also works against you because the calories it supplies are 'empty' - they provide you with no beneficial nutrients. Another consideration: alcohol can also slow the process by which your body burns fat. The alcohol calories you consume aren't stored. Instead, they're converted to acetate, a type of fuel that the body burns quickly. As a result, you burn off your alcohol calories before you burn the fat you are trying to eliminate by increasing your exercise and cutting back on your food intake."
I do hope things improve for you.0 -
Echoing what others have said. I certainly medicate with alcohol once in a while myself, and I don't have near the type of stress in my life as you do. I can't even imagine, and I completely understand that you need some outlet. However, I really think you should talk to your doctor about this.0
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I'm sorry to hear about the stress your under! I too like to drink and its hard when counting calories and trying to lose weight On days where I know its been rough and I could use a drink to wind down, I try to eat lighter in calories (not necessarily less food) to help compensate.
I agree with ttxqiu in that you need to get your mind on other things when you're stressed out and might grab that beer. Tea is great for relaxing and watching some movies or shows on Netflix is great too!
For myself, getting my mind off my troubles usually involves just browsing the internet or playing a game or app on my phone. I love looking at photos so I use an app called Tadaa on my iphone; its like instagram, but with less teenage girls and their duck faces XD and there's some really great photographers on that site It definitely has me hooked and I can spend hours on there looking at peaceful photos, sunsets, nature, flowers, beaches, you name it, and I end up forgetting about the beer I wanted to have
I hope I've been helpful in some matter, and I certainly hope things get better for you. Feel free to add me as a friend if ya ever need someone to vent to :flowerforyou:0 -
I have learned alot just reading the replies from others....things I needed to hear since I, too, take a evening or so of casual drinking. The calming effect of alcohol will be lessened the more one drinks at a sitting. I would rather have an occasional drink instead of drinking every night and "need" more and more just to feel relaxed.
I usually like my wine, never beer. But I looked for a lower calorie substitute and found that UV Vodka Blue is 65 cal/oz---now I share that not so you would drink up a bunch....but so you can avoid the heavy calorie load. I still would rather have food calories than alcohol calories, so I have really cut down.0 -
I'm really sorry for all you're going through. It sounds tremendously difficult. Who wouldn't need a few drinks at the end of those roughest days?
Unfortunately antidepressant or not you're self-medicating. Fortunately it isn't every day. But I bet it doesn't really help you all that much. You just so desperate for _something_. (Again my heart goes out to you.) I'm not a psychiatrist but my personal opinion is that antidepressants aren't appropriate for normal reactive depression or anxiety. Used over the long term they can cause more harm than good. If you had a brain dysfunction that caused you to be depressed no matter what was going in your life I could see the point. But even then prescribing the right meds are hit and miss- mostly miss. Current data implies antidepressants aren't as effective as we hoped.
That being said there may be some merit in getting something to make coping a little easier other than drink. You should at least talk to your Dr. to get info about anti-anxiety or other aids. But also look into support groups and getting more out of whatever support network you may have. You need to have someone you can confide in and unload on regularly. I'm sure you've heard all the standard coping tools though.
As far as the alcohol there are some nights when you're essentially having whole meals worth of empty calories. Not great. Theoretically if you are under your daily goal you should be OK. But when you drink at night it disrupts your sleep quality. Even if your calories in/out numbers look good this will slow or halt your fat-loss. Poor sleep will also make it harder for you to cope with tomorrow's stress.
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I too like to drink! I was sort of 'forced' into making this life style change, I was informed by my Dr that I am pre-diabetic.. I also have high cholesterol. So I have to be careful w/everything I eat.. Sugars, Carbs, what type and cuts of meat I eat.. I have been 'dieting' longer than Ive been using MFP and have lost about 23 lbs in total since my heighest weight and about 13 since right before my Birthday in March. (averaging about 2 lbs per wk) I still drink beer.. (liquor and me dont make for a nice combination..) I KNOW its NOT good and especially w/my blood sugars being out of wac.. BUT Its the 1 thing I just cant, wont give up completely.. I think its good to try to moderate.. I try to limit it to no more than 2 days per wk. To be honest.. I know you said you dont want medication but there are some really really REALLY great meds that will help you relax/sleep w/minimal side effects! As for the alcohol I might not be the best person to try to 'advise' someone, considering I LOVE my beer!!! Honestly, Its the hardest part of this whole 'change'!!! I wish you luck!!! If you need to talk, feel free!!! I too have a stressful life, well job really (I dont have any children).. So I can really empathize w/your situation. Keep Your Head Up!!! Best of Luck!!!0
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I feel for you! Poor woman.
I don't have any advice to give:( I see you've become dependent on alcohol to escape. I wished there was a way to ship your stepdaughter away at her mom's for a while, to adjust her entitled attitude. Try to reach out for support, from your daughter or your husband?
Don't shoulder everything on your own.0 -
My advice for you is to seek out time for yourself and look for an outlet from the the stress you seem to be enduring. The gym and working out may eliminate some of the stress, but you may not realize that this may be a factor in your stress as well. What I mean by that is that you are working hard and it my seem like there is little or no positive progress.
I would advocate beer versus meds any day of the week, being I feel that meds are not really correcting the issues at hand they just will mask the problems and make things appear more tolerable.This is my personal belief, neither will fix the issues at hand.
It is difficult facing problems in which you have little control or input on changing. My feeling is don't place the pressure on yourself to correct things that are wrong and beyond your control. Accept that somethings have to run there course and realize that creating and stressing about matters truly only will make things worse for yourself.0 -
So, from someone who self medicated for a long time. (I wont go into reasons) I can tell you this: I slowed way down on the drinking (3-4 beers a night to 3-4 beers a week to 3-4 beers a month) and dropped 2-3 pant sizes, and 30 pounds in like 3 months. I started running after i dropped the first 30 and have pretty much quit drinking and dropped another size. I'm not going to go into lectures of if hyou are drinking too much or not, thats your thing. I can tell you that I've been there( for different reasons) and my out look, my health, my life has soooo benifited from not drinking. I will still have a glass of wine once in a great while, I love red wine, but nothing like I used to. Feel free to friend me if you want some open non-judgemental support.0
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It is soooo wonderful to have such an amazing support group! You all have such wonderful advice. I received many "reality checks" (not in a bad way), and they are so helpful. I HAVE to find another way to cope. I do realize it is ok to have a few beers/drinks with friends during a cookout, etc. but EVERY night is definitely not acceptable. It seems like I drink enough to get drunk every night; however, that's not the case. I guess I have such a high alcohol tollerance because of the timeframe, that I can have a 6 pack or 4 drinks (2 oz. rum & coke zero) and just be relaxed, not even a "buzz".
I think I do need to find an outlet to vent, maybe a counselor, or even redirect to something else to keep my mind occupied. I don't want to burden my friends all the time, event though they are awesome. I don't want to be the "negative" friend who has nothing good going on in her life which is kinda where I am right now. I am typically one of the most upbeat, positive, outgoing and fun person you could meet, but lately, I'm the bummer kind of person that you don't want to be around. Heck, I don't even want to be around myself sometimes and question why I'm being such a "b" sometimes.
I am truly blessed to have an amazing husband who is tremendously supportive, but even he is at a loss on how to help me cope.
I CAN and WILL get through this, but will have to find an alternate method.
Thanks so much for being here for me and giving some suggestions!
Have a wonderful night.0 -
I also want to thank you all so much for not judging me. It feels good to not be judged and get positive reinforcement/criticism at the same time.0
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I like to set one day a week for drinking, Of course my reasons are slightly different, I did used to drink because of alot of stress I drank every day for weeks. But now I only drink one day a week, Which is also my cheat day. And i make sure i workout before i drink.
Also I am trying to switch to light beers as well.0 -
I'm no expert, but what you're talking about sounds more to me like anxiety than depression. I have anxiety, but it isn't a problem for me every day so my doctor prescribes medication I take only when I'm having a hard time, which isn't very often for me anymore. In my opinion, it's better than being on antidepressants, which I was for several years, because you still feel normal 99% of the time. I just wanted to let you know that medicine for this kind of thing doesn't have to be a bad thing and I hope you're able to get the help you need to get through this difficult time.0
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My husband and I were knocking down two bottles of wine a night for a while and found that it was inhibiting our weight loss. While we have not completely given up booze we have given it up during the week, limiting ourselves to the weekends. We try to keep it to Friday nights only and it is easier to do this when we don't have any thing going on on the weekend. Doing this has helped with the weight loss.
Unfortunately booze is empty calories. Is there a way to find another outlet for your stress? Journaling, long walk to clear your head? Or just realize you are going to have the booze and work out extra hard to compensate.0 -
Maybe you can drink but less ... for example, drinking a rum with coke (zero, light, diet, i've no idea what's the name of sugarless coke in other countries haha) but you put just a tiny bit of rum, you know, just for the taste, and all the rest of the glass with coke.0
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You have a great attitude and will learn how to get through/cope with your daily struggles! I enjoy having a glass of wine in the evening to "wind down" but it used to be much more. The weight piled on over time. Cutting down really made a huge difference. Watch your food diary and weight fluctuations on days without alcohol vs with and you will see how it affects you. And you have to think about quality of sleep. Drinks might help you fall asleep, but I bet you wake up about 4-5 hrs later and have a hard time getting back to sleep. That was a huge problem for me, but it has improved greatly. Think about how important sleep is. It's the time when our body and mind repair and heal and gets us ready for the next day. I'm getting off of zoloft after 10 years and started acupuncture to help me through the process. It is definitely helping! But there are lots of options for you to try and you will find the ways that will work for you!0
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I am going to try the 1 time a week stance. I would think it would help a lot, rather than having several every day. It is mostly stress, but part of it is habit too. When we are outside on sunny days, I like to have a beer in my hand. The worst is when we grill which this time of the year we do a lot!!!
I am really having a hard time getting my husband on board. He is a very respectful, supportive husband, but he drinks a few everyday and I try and tell him that it's really hard for me when it's in there, but I don't want him to have to give it up because of me if that's something he enjoys. I think what I will do is just put his in there 3 at a time and none for me. I will have to keep other items (tea, crystal light, COLD water, etc). Even diet soda would have to be better than beer or alcohol I would think.
I have also taken up crocheting again and am doing some things for our church ministry.
Thank you all for the suggestions, they are greatly appreciated.0
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