Hypothyroid symptoms with normal tests
LizKurz
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A while ago, I posted about my thyroid, and now I have a few more questions for some of you out there who suffer with a slow or under active thyroid.
So, I have all these symptoms:
Fatigue
Weakness
Weight gain
Dry, rough pale skin
Hair loss
Cold intolerance
Muscle cramps and frequent muscle aches
Constipation
Depression
Irritability
Memory loss
Abnormal menstrual cycles
Decreased libido
Every. Single. One. So I went to the md. I also have an enlarged thyroid on both sides, one is bigger than the other. My md sent me to an endo who basically said I was making it all up and it's completely normal to gain weight while eating 2000 cals a day, working out burning 6-700 a day and trying to lose weight....:huh: .
Anyway, so I started doing some research on my own. I found a type of thyroidistis called postpartum thyroidistis, in which you go hyper first, then hypo. Now, looking back, hindsight is 20/20. After my third child, i apparently had all the signs of postpartum thyroidistis, which they diagnosed as PPD. This time around, in the hyper phase, I actually had low TSH numbers, out of the range, indicating hyper status, but it was gone before we treated it, plus I was nursing.
Now I'm apparently in the hypo phase again, with all of the above symptoms, that are severe enough to disrupt my daily life, and my numbers are coming back normal. I do have some antibodies, which ideally you shouldn't have any, but they are well within range. My TSH was 1.31, which is pretty good, and my free t4 was 1.1 which is on the low end, but not out of the range.
So, I'm wondering, anyone else went through this? What are my options? I feel the endo i saw is a complete misogynist, going so far as to laugh at me and tell me I was imagining the lump on my neck, which my MD had actually found, so I won't be seeing him again. And he's the only one for literally 250 miles.
I'm really at a loss of what to do, because I can't be treated for hypothyroidism when my numbers aren't out of whack, but FFS I can't go on like this either. I'm seriously at the point of feeling just so defeated (not just with weight loss, but everything) that I want to give it all up.
So, I have all these symptoms:
Fatigue
Weakness
Weight gain
Dry, rough pale skin
Hair loss
Cold intolerance
Muscle cramps and frequent muscle aches
Constipation
Depression
Irritability
Memory loss
Abnormal menstrual cycles
Decreased libido
Every. Single. One. So I went to the md. I also have an enlarged thyroid on both sides, one is bigger than the other. My md sent me to an endo who basically said I was making it all up and it's completely normal to gain weight while eating 2000 cals a day, working out burning 6-700 a day and trying to lose weight....:huh: .
Anyway, so I started doing some research on my own. I found a type of thyroidistis called postpartum thyroidistis, in which you go hyper first, then hypo. Now, looking back, hindsight is 20/20. After my third child, i apparently had all the signs of postpartum thyroidistis, which they diagnosed as PPD. This time around, in the hyper phase, I actually had low TSH numbers, out of the range, indicating hyper status, but it was gone before we treated it, plus I was nursing.
Now I'm apparently in the hypo phase again, with all of the above symptoms, that are severe enough to disrupt my daily life, and my numbers are coming back normal. I do have some antibodies, which ideally you shouldn't have any, but they are well within range. My TSH was 1.31, which is pretty good, and my free t4 was 1.1 which is on the low end, but not out of the range.
So, I'm wondering, anyone else went through this? What are my options? I feel the endo i saw is a complete misogynist, going so far as to laugh at me and tell me I was imagining the lump on my neck, which my MD had actually found, so I won't be seeing him again. And he's the only one for literally 250 miles.
I'm really at a loss of what to do, because I can't be treated for hypothyroidism when my numbers aren't out of whack, but FFS I can't go on like this either. I'm seriously at the point of feeling just so defeated (not just with weight loss, but everything) that I want to give it all up.
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I'm going through the exact same thing! They told me nothing was wrong and acted like I'm crazy. I was just discussing this with my MFP friend Lorlei25. Please feel free to get in touch with her as well. She's gone through a whole lot with thyroid conditions.
I'm at a loss too. I wake up every morning and sit on the edge of my bed and weep because I'm so tired. I feel like I'm in an alien body and the doctor's and specialists say that I'm 'fine' and to come back later.
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You should ask your dr to test for Hashimoto's thyroiditis and Graves' disease.1
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Do you have a health food store near you with a certified naturo path? I have all of the symptoms as well and my #'s fall in the low/normal range for everything and she put me on Thyrophin. It is a bovine derived suplement that will NOT shut down what thyroid function you have left unlike synthetic prescriptions. I have been on it for 2 weeks and have noticed a difference already and I am at the lowest dose.
ETA: I have also found the book "Prescription for Natural Healing" to be very helpful with diet tips to help with low thyroid function as well as other suplements that you can try.0 -
I wish I knew the answer to this, too... About two and a half years ago, I had my thyroid levels checked, and they were low-ish (enough to put me on meds). I had nearly every one of the symptoms you listed - AND I gained about 40lbs in 3 months. I (stupidly) stopped taking the meds after about 6 months due to a very stressful period in my life. I got a new physician, who checked my levels again, and found me to be in the normal range and stopped my meds. (She had no answers as to why my levels were now in the normal range...) She did find my Vitamin D level to be severely low, so I was put on a supplement.
I've noticed some changes, but my overall fatigue/energy levels are still low. Exercise is definitely helping, but it's SO frustrating to wake up in the morning after an 8 hour solid rest, and feel like you have had too little.0 -
Mine was all over the place for the longest time, like years. I'd get the symptoms, the enlarged thyroid, but it was always normal. FINALLY, after 3 years of monitoring it, it was elevated (TSH, making it hypothyroid). I'm on the lowest dose of Synthroid, and it seems to help me a lot. My mom has hypothyroid, but only her T3 Uptake is messed up... It's weird.0
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get checked for PCOS
it has very similar symptoms0 -
I, too, have had all the symptoms for hypothyroidism. My blood tests always come back normal. Now my mother and sister have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism and I've been told that it's a hereditary condition. So why do my tests come back normal? I have no idea. But I'm always tired, I'm always cold, and I've put on 50 pounds in 3 years.0
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My dd had the same symptoms and thyroid came back with in "normal" ranges but her vit D level was low. Upped her vit D and all symptoms are gone.0
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This is my story. Turns out I have a condition called hemachromitosis. It makes all the iron you ingest stay in your body. In me in masquerades as a thyroid condition which in fact is a liver issue. It was an expensive genetic test but now I know what to do for me and what to watch for. Much simpler check for low b, and low D. In combination they also feel like thyroid issues. Good luck.
Find a new endo, mine was great and I miss him. Also print out your diary the next time you go to the dr and demand someone listen to you.0 -
I second the PCOS, I was tested for thyroid issues from age 18-28 many times for the same symptoms. It wasn't until obgyn suggested doing a sono of my overies, that it was discovered I had PCOS. No one thought to test this because I wasn't overweight ...1
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I'm hypo. I can't believe the endo's response...what an a******.
Did they do a thyroid ultrasound? When I got that done, they were able to measure it and see if there were any other abnormalities. As *I* understand (and I'm not a Dr), if the thyroid is enlarged, it's because it's overworking, trying to achieve the normal production of hormones; just like an enlarged heart that's not able to pump enough blood.
Another point I'd like to make is that numbers are just numbers. Even if your numbers are in the normal range, your symptoms show that it's obviously not the normal range *for you*. This happened to me last summer when according to the results I was hyper, but guess what, for once I felt normal. Soon, I'll be dealing with explaining that to my new dr. and I'm already cringing at the thought.
My advice is to drop dr. a******, but it seems like that might not be possible for you. In that case, I'd keep talking to him/her, insist that you're not feeling good and demand more tests. Maybe track your daily symptoms and rate them. Make a chart. Show it to him/her next time.
I'm sorry you have to deal with this. It's unfair and trying to get a Dr to listen is sometimes -surprisingly- difficult.
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Short background: I had thyroid cancer when I was 29, so I no longer have a thyroid at all.
In the process of figuring out what my dosage would need to be, I had all the symptoms like you describe, but my TSH was just where my doctor (oncologist) wanted it to be. So he kept telling me that my cold intolerance was "because it's winter" or "because the a/c is on". I finally had to refer myself to an endocrinologist, who determined that my TSH and my T4 just don't match up. Ever. So if one is fine, the other is out of whack.
Sadly, the only thing I've been able to do is go through a long process of trial and error, finding a dosage that basically settles on lesser evils instead of being perfectly correct.
The endo recommended that I up my vitamin D, so I'll agree with the other folk here who have recommended that. Also, if you're taking a synthetic thyroid replacement (synthroid or whatever) make sure you are NOT taking it at the same time as you take your multivitamin for the day. No one told me that (gee thanks, doc) and I wound up dangerously hypothyroid for like a year before anyone bothered to figure it out.
Mostly, I just wanted to tell you you're not crazy, and don't stop pushing for someone to listen to you. It's YOUR health.1 -
Ask for these specific tests....free T3, free T4 and reverse T3. Standard TSH tests missed my hypo diagnosis. The "normal" range is so damn broad that it's practicality useless as a diagnostic aid. We can be severely symptomatic in the normal ranges. Finding a good Endo is critical. Don't let them take one vial of blood until you find a Dr who tells you that they're going to figure it out no matter what. For some reason with most endos you have to fight to get the care necessary to be well. Don't give up searching for your answers.0
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There are some tests which are more sensitive than others, and hypothyroidism can slip by the usual tests, but still be there.0
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bump. I was just diagnosed as hypo last month and I too have almost all of the symptoms you listed. I'm just figuring this thing out so I don't have any suggestions but am interested in the info the others are providing. I wish you luck in getting some answers :flowerforyou:0
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I'm going through the exact same thing! They told me nothing was wrong and acted like I'm crazy. I was just discussing this with my MFP friend Lorlei25. Please feel free to get in touch with her as well. She's gone through a whole lot with thyroid conditions.
I'm at a loss too. I wake up every morning and sit on the edge of my bed and weep because I'm so tired. I feel like I'm in an alien body and the doctor's and specialists say that I'm 'fine' and to come back later.
Please friend me if you'd like
Oh my god, yes. I'm such a morning person. I used to get up at 5:30 cause I liked it. Now I struggle to make it out of bed by 7 to get the kids to school, and I feel as though I haven't slept at all.1 -
get checked for PCOS
it has very similar symptoms
I actually don't have any of the symptoms of pcos except weight gain and acne. My periods are super close (20ish days) apart and heavy, like set my alarm clock to change my overnight protection more than once a night heavy. I have dry flakey skin that cracks, not oily skin and I don't have dandruff, I have hair loss.
Oh and no infertility. Lol. Four kids in 6 years.0 -
You should ask your dr to test for Hashimoto's thyroiditis and Graves' disease.
That's what the tpo AB test is for, and mine were within normal range.0 -
My dd had the same symptoms and thyroid came back with in "normal" ranges but her vit D level was low. Upped her vit D and all symptoms are gone.
Yeah,I had via d problems too, it was 25 when the normal range is like 32 to 100. I was put on a supplement, 50k iu every week for 10 weeks. My vitamin d is fine now and the symptoms are getting worse.0 -
Those are all also symptoms of PCOS. Have you been screened for it?0
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I'm hypo. I can't believe the endo's response...what an a******.
Did they do a thyroid ultrasound? When I got that done, they were able to measure it and see if there were any other abnormalities. As *I* understand (and I'm not a Dr), if the thyroid is enlarged, it's because it's overworking, trying to achieve the normal production of hormones; just like an enlarged heart that's not able to pump enough blood.
Another point I'd like to make is that numbers are just numbers. Even if your numbers are in the normal range, your symptoms show that it's obviously not the normal range *for you*. This happened to me last summer when according to the results I was hyper, but guess what, for once I felt normal. Soon, I'll be dealing with explaining that to my new dr. and I'm already cringing at the thought.
My advice is to drop dr. a******, but it seems like that might not be possible for you. In that case, I'd keep talking to him/her, insist that you're not feeling good and demand more tests. Maybe track your daily symptoms and rate them. Make a chart. Show it to him/her next time.
I'm sorry you have to deal with this. It's unfair and trying to get a Dr to listen is sometimes -surprisingly- difficult.
Good luck!
They haven't done an ultrasound yet, he told me when I left he would call me that afternoon or the next day to schedule it, that was a week ago.0 -
Those are all also symptoms of PCOS. Have you been screened for it?
No, I haven't, from what my md says, and what I can find on the net, I have almost none of the symptoms of pcos.0 -
I have most of the symptoms you described, so I went to my Dr. He ran a battery of tests and everything came back in the normal range except for Vitamin D was extremely low. I took prescription D for a couple of months and felt no change whatsoever. I went back to him and told him so. He figures I am depressed and wanted to put me on meds for that. I declined as I don't think that is my problem. Also, my sister and father have been diagnosed with thyroid problems. I told the Dr. that as well, and, apparently, that didn't make a difference. It's very frustrating as I have gotten NOWHERE.0
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My doctor goes by how I feel rather than the tests. You may want to shop around. Just because the test doesn't show it, doesn't mean nothing is wrong or that there is no reason you're not feeling your best.0
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Here's my two cents
I have been down a long road with hypo thyroidism. I have hashimotos (sp??) and until I convinced my doc to change me to a dessicated thyroid med (I take Armour) I had every single symptom on my original complaint list (and it was LONG). Back then I was on Synthroid and all my levels were normal. We did full blood panels on all the ones that have been recommended. I had the scans on my thyroid and on my adrenal gland. Everything was "normal" but I wasn't!
My list was crazy long and all of them except about 3 things are now gone. I've been on Armour for nearly 3 years and my three final battles are my weight (mine is a roller coaster, I go up and down 10-15 pounds a couple of times a year, it's nuts), my hair loss (also fluctuates) and my fatigue (I do think that could be due to my work load and lack of sleep...)
However, I would bore you if I went through all the symptoms that are totally gone. It includes less common ones like pain in the bottoms of your feet, piercing light pain that is momentarily blinding and they water, and the far more common ones such as dry skin, headaches, depression, anxiety, cold intolerance, cold buns, hands, and feet, constipation, and so many others.
At any rate, it's worth considering giving a dessicated medication a try. As always, it takes time, so commit to the change for at least 6 months before deciding to stay with it or not. For me, I'll never go back.
Check out the website stop the thyroid maddness dot com. It is jam up full of information!0 -
Have you had your Vitamin D level checked......I had to have my thyroid exploded with radioactive iodine 21 years ago and take a synthetic replacement.....BUT I had these symptoms you are saying like 2 yrs ago....it ended up I was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY low on VIT D......since I have upped it, all symptoms are G O N E! (just a thought)'0
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I've had thyroid type symptoms for many years but have never been diagnosed. My doctor finally took a thyroid test and my TSH was above normal, but my T3 and T4 were normal so he didn't do a thing about it. In the meantime, my mom found a book that gave some suggestions about how to help your symptoms even if you aren't diagnosed.
#1. Maintain normal/baseline blood sugar levels at all times. This means eating protein before bed, and making yourself eat protein immediately after waking up even if you aren't hungry. Don't go over 3 hours during the day without eating, and don't consume sugars and things that will make your blood sugar spike and drop. Hypo and Hyper glycemia can aggravate thyroid conditions. If you do eat sugar, make sure its accompanied by fat, fiber, or protein to slow own the absorption. Don't use fake sugars or chemically synthesized stuff, and stay away from soy just to be safe.
#2. Get adequate high quality sleep each night. At least 7-9 hours a night.
#3. Exercise daily. Exercise helps reset your metabolism. Could be as simple as going for a brisk walk. Just move your body and sweat.
My doctor took additional blood tests at my physical and it turned out my Vitamin D levels were low. But, taking vitamin D hasn't changed the fact that I get cold clammy hands for no reason, cold body when its 70 degrees, sometimes my heart races, and I get overly exhausted here and there. I just wish science and tests would get more thorough and meaningful. So many people get the run around. Its disturbing.0 -
Have you had your Vitamin D level checked......I had to have my thyroid exploded with radioactive iodine 21 years ago and take a synthetic replacement.....BUT I had these symptoms you are saying like 2 yrs ago....it ended up I was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY low on VIT D......since I have upped it, all symptoms are G O N E! (just a thought)'
This is one smart poster. As I was reading this thread the thing that was yelling out at me was Vitamin D deficiency. Either have your doctor test you or just start taking 1000 mg of Vitamin D3 a day. A doctor suggested it to me a few months ago (without a test), within 1 month I felt like a whole new person. More energy than I know what to do with now, not more depression, no more muscle aches, etc. I have since read about some great benefits to D, lower cancer, better immune system. Definitely worth looking in to.0 -
First of all, do not push to hard to get a doctor to put you on meds. They will tell you that you need to take those meds for life bc once you start taking them, they REPLACE your thyroid's function, so eventually, most people's thyroid actually shuts down.
Now, there is one other thing to consider when you are having those symptoms but "normal" thyroid tests. Your adrenals. Here's some info on adrenal exhaustion. I just googled it quickly, there are lots and lots of pages:
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/endocrinology/a/adrenalfatigue.htm
That being said, I took thyroid drugs for 7 years, but I don't any more. Here's what happened to me:
I had endocrinologists put me on Synthroid, Armour, and all manner or drugs for over 7 years and NOTHING addressed my symptoms! Up this one, take another one, take 2, take 3, stop taking this one, add in that one. ridiculous.
I was exhausted every day by 2 pm. I lost a baseball size chunk of hair on the right side of my head, my skin was gray, nails cracked and ridged.
Oddly, I only got help when the manufacturer of Armour thyroid medicine began having manufacturing problems in the US about 3 years ago. My medicine was intermittently unavailable and eventually I could not get it at all. Some people were buying it from Mexico or Canada, but I didn't want to buy unregulated medicine, so I went without.
One day I mentioned to my chiro/kinesiologist that my med was unavailable. He suggested an OTC supplement that was $12 for a 30 day supply. $12. My prescriptions had been about $115/month.
Holy smokes, I got better. I couldn't believe it. My chiro said I was fortunate that my thyroid had not shut down completely from being on the meds, and that this supplement, instead of replacing the thyroid hormone, instead stimulates the thyroid to make its own hormone. The supplement is by Standard Process, it's called Thytrophin PMG. They make an adrenal supplement too, called Drenatrophin PMG.
I've been fully off thyroid meds for over 2 years and at the 1 year point I actually went back to the endocrinologist for blood tests. Everything was perfect. Perfect for the first time in almost 10 years.
Anyway, try a visit to a good chiropractor / kinesiologist for a holistic point of view without drugs.
good luck.
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I have recently been questioning having a thyroid problem as I have many symptoms and it runs in my family. However, my levels are normal, so I have been confused about the thyroid issue. Hmmm.... I had never heard or a relationship with vitamin D levels. I will have to look into this. Thank you everyone for your inputs!0
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