TBL...It's a touchy subject.

mrd232
mrd232 Posts: 331
edited September 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
I’ve read several negative reviews of “The Biggest Loser” as of late. A couple years ago, when the show was more popular, I’d catch it while I was working out at the YMCA in my old city of residence. At that time, I’d watch it and either feel mild motivation from the contestants’ success or a general feeling of irritation toward the trainers. I’m sure a lot of others feel the same. At that point in my life, I bought into a lot of the standard advice given on the show. I ran a lot (usually 25-30 miles per week), ate what I would consider a healthy diet, counted my calories and really bought the calories in/calories out theory…and ate a number of processed “soyfoods.” I didn’t read into strength training, unconventional nutrition, Crossfit, evolutionary nutrition, or the metabolic effect of food. I was not the “eat real foods” psycho that I am today. I just assumed the more exercise I did, the better off I was, simple as that. I was slightly addicted to it. There’s some danger inherent in that, but I’ll get to that…

A couple years later and I decided to catch a couple episodes of TBL (Season 8) online along with several clips of the trainers giving tips, shouting at the top of their lungs, what have you, because hey, I was curious. It made me angry. Now, when I say angry, I’m not angry that the contestants are trying to lead better lives. Gosh, no. That’s the one remaining motivational factor present…I understand much of the hype of the show is scripted to some extent. I also understand the trainers and hosts have to write in cheesy product endorsements here and there. And more importantly, I understand the producers’ need to display extreme weight loss for higher ratings. I don’t agree with the majority of that, but in terms of NBC and $$$, I get it very well.

What really makes me angry is that audiences buy into much of the advice given on the show. Advice that borders somewhere between dangerous and stupid. (Now a note to you readers at MFP, I know you’re not stupid…you’re here learning better ways.) Advice given in the name of the show’s two top trainers, who, in much of their own work, don’t acknowledge the same form of advice for the majority of dieters.

I take issue with the forms of “success” on the show. The weigh in based on poundage. The constant Jillian mantra of calories in, calories out. Eating high sugar yogurt and processed foods because they’re “low calorie.” Let’s forget the fact most working out at a 6000 calorie burn would be hungry about 5 minutes after finishing that Yoplait light. Cutting much of one’s dietary fat out of their diet, again, in the name of low calorie eating and the “OMG FAT IS BAD paradox.” More fiber and complex carbs mantras. The substitution of processed industrial food in the name of low calories.

Now, before you go tell me to go eat my grass fed butter, clog my arteries, and STFU…I realize the methods depicted on the show DO work at making the contestants lose weight. I do realize that zapping calories, overtraining, and eating margarine can also produce weight loss. I did this for quite a chunk of my adult life, folks. I get it. I’ve filled in quite a few mathematical equations to determine my exact caloric needs and how to meet them with low calorie foods, and blah blah blah. What concerns me, though, is if the contestants are prone to developing the same internal fear and psychological problems that tend to accompany such strict diets and lifestyles? A fear of foods and a love of all things low calorie? Sacrificing true nutrient needs in the body of meeting a calorie goal isn’t necessarily the path to health. I watched the contestants (some over 400 pounds) chug away on treadmills to meet a daily calorie burn all the meanwhile thinking…Why? Does this not set up an unrealistic goal of what a healthful workout actually is? How many people secretly end up obsessing over the amount of calories they must burn on the treadmill to burn off that snack pack they ate before dinner? Hmm. Is that obsessive or normal behavior? I vote obsessive, but the audience may differ in opinion.

I’m a big believer in true quality over quantity of movement. I’ve tried various programs, I’ve read a lot of books regarding lifting and nutrition. I’ve seen some positive aspects on the show re: lifting – training with rope, functional movement – squats, deadlifts, presses, etc. But then there’s also the stupid stuff that the average person will probably pull away…running on the treadmill or running in general. I don’t agree with plunking a 400 pound person on a treadmill and telling them to run for their life for 30 seconds. It makes for good drama – an angry Bob yelling at a contestant to run her fat@$$ off, but I digress. Running is not kind on one’s joints if you don’t ease your way into it. Nor is jumping or plyometric activity. Nevermind that it’s a fantastic tool for those who are closer to their goal weight. I’m looking at this solely in terms of someone far from goal weight. In a mere 3 episodes, we’ve seen one woman pass the eff out and another has a stress fracture. Running! A good idea, right?

An even better idea is to focus much more on the quality of what each contestant eats. If there’s one thing that gave me a smug, snarky satisfaction from this season’s episodes, it’s that those who worked out LESS lost MORE weight. These contestants were told to really hone in on their nutrition, which, as many of us know is much more the key to sustainable weight loss. It’s not obsessing over burning calories from a Blizzard. No, it’s not eating the Blizzard in the first place. What bothers me is that the contestants still continue to assume they will not achieve great success without killing themselves in the workouts. As noted by the contestants who slammed Julio for his "poor workout behavior" and lo and behold, he lost more weight than any of them at the weigh-in. It’s simply not true and I don’t see any emphasis of this in the three episodes I viewed.

Now, I know, I know, we have to make things interesting for quality TV. I think there’s a balance that could be struck on the show with better advice and a heavier focus on nutrition versus “let’s watch the trainers make the fatties run on the treadmill.” The contestants aren’t dumb. They show a tremendous amount of gumption to complete the challenges and learn about being healthier. Most are at the end of their rope for weight loss. Could NBC not do them a favor and improve the advice?

(Alas, probably not, because Yoplait and Nabisco wouldn't be makin' Benjamins.)

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  • astridfeline
    astridfeline Posts: 1,200 Member

    I take issue with the forms of “success” on the show. The weigh in based on poundage. The constant Jillian mantra of calories in, calories out. Eating high sugar yogurt and processed foods because they’re “low calorie.” Let’s forget the fact most working out at a 6000 calorie burn would be hungry about 5 minutes after finishing that Yoplait light. Cutting much of one’s dietary fat out of their diet, again, in the name of low calorie eating and the “OMG FAT IS BAD paradox.” More fiber and complex carbs mantras. The substitution of processed industrial food in the name of low calories.

    I had the same type of reaction when I watched a couple of Dr. Oz's video clips promoting soy and complex carbs. I was amazed at how my opinions had changed since reading all the controversial posts here on MFP :bigsmile:
  • bethany_jurries
    bethany_jurries Posts: 169 Member
    What ever the controversy may be with the show I think it is amazing that they take people as large as they are and change their lives in such LARGE ways! I think that these people need the chance at a better healthier life. Whatever the problem you have with it may be they need this. I would love to have someone push me that hard and tell me I need to move my fata$$! If I have 50lbs to lose and I need that type of encouragement someone who is 200+ lbs overweight they need it too. Too many people have been nice to them and thought it was a hush hush topic and didn't push them to be better or do better! People have to get it done and the show has encouraged a lot of people outside of the show to do better. I don't think we need to criticize the show but applaud it!
  • I have watched a couple of episodes from this season and I think they don't put enough emphasis on all the other factors that is taking place behind the scenes. With "Ruby", they show her going to see a nutritionist, a psychologist, a physician, and her personal trainers. They also show her support system! For those of use that are considered morbidly obese and don't know where to start, TBL would have you believe that if you overwork yourself in the gym and limit your calories, you can lose tons of weight. Ruby actually showcases the importance of all the different roles of the people who are involved in helping her lose the weight. Being that these participants of TBL are as heavy as they are and they go through such gruelling training, I'm certain that they DO have a team of physicians and nutritionists monitoring them every step of the way, but they are never part of the show which seems like an disingenuous depiction of their weight loss successes...
  • Shannon023
    Shannon023 Posts: 14,529 Member
    Does anyone have TBL cookbook?? I'd be curious what kind of meals are suggested.

    Good post, btw! :smile:
  • tanya7712
    tanya7712 Posts: 441 Member
    Bump to read later.
  • jenniffer86
    jenniffer86 Posts: 65 Member
    I do have the cookbook and workout book, and calorie counter book from TBL.. but it all sucks! I am not a fan, I'm a picky eater tho, I will write some receipes down for you if you want later.. when I'm not at work..lol
  • iplayoutside19
    iplayoutside19 Posts: 2,304 Member
    TBL is a reality TV show. Nothing more, nothing less. I normally don't watch Tv unless there is a game or race on. I've seen exactly one episode of TBL.

    My question is what happens to these people once the go back to real life? If all of us had nothing to do all day but work out and study nutrition most of us wouldn't be the way we are. This is why overweight proffessional athletes amaze me too. It's your JOB to be in shape, WTF???

    Anyway, assimilating a healthy life style into a normal schedule is what makes or brakes..or is it breaks, our weight loss efforts. When to work out? How do I work out? When do I plan and prepare my meals? What do I eat for my meals? Where do I find healthy stuff? Can I afford to do any of this? How much can I spend on this if I can? Getting these questions answered and implementing things that WORK into MY/FAMILIES life style is what will make us successful.

    That is why I completely ingore television that amounts to nothing more than a game show
  • bethany_jurries
    bethany_jurries Posts: 169 Member
    TBL is a reality TV show. Nothing more, nothing less. I normally don't watch Tv unless there is a game or race on. I've seen exactly one episode of TBL.

    My question is what happens to these people once the go back to real life? If all of us had nothing to do all day but work out and study nutrition most of us wouldn't be the way we are. This is why overweight proffessional athletes amaze me too. It's your JOB to be in shape, WTF???

    Anyway, assimilating a healthy life style into a normal schedule is what makes or brakes..or is it breaks, our weight loss efforts. When to work out? How do I work out? When do I plan and prepare my meals? What do I eat for my meals? Where do I find healthy stuff? Can I afford to do any of this? How much can I spend on this if I can? Getting these questions answered and implementing things that WORK into MY/FAMILIES life style is what will make us successful.

    That is why I completely ingore television that amounts to nothing more than a game show

    If you watched the show you would see they look back at these people frequently and they keep up with it. This is a life changing experience for them they want this change. I understand that you dont watch it that is fine but they are looked at further down the road. Season 1 winner is still on some episodes and we are on season 8. So its okay they keep up with it.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    I have been thinking about this the last couple of days as well. I watched TBL for the first time this week--I have avoided commenting on it directly up until now, since I had only seen a couple of clips before.

    I think most of the pro/con arguments have been pretty clearly stated, so I am not going to repeat them. 5 min of googling will bring you to a number of articles discussing the show in more detail.

    I understand the pros of the show. I like the way they put the fat right in your face--the guys weigh in with no shirts, bare midriffs on a number of the women. I think that and the physical activity--although I disagree with a lot of the exercise stuff--has maybe redefined that body image in some people's minds and maybe helped some other people feel less self-conscious about getting out and getting active.

    Like any reality show, it appeals to the worst in us--there's a little Springer in every one of these shows. There is a voyeuristic aspect to them in which people are deliberately put in stressful, emotional, often degrading situations for our entertainment. I do have a problem with the "elimination" part of the show. A lot of the people on the show have some real personality and emotional issues--in that population, I would like the number of people with those issues is higher than average. To put them through everything, especially when they are seeing some positive results and then just cut them loose seems even more irresponsible than usual.

    My biggest criticism comes from something I read on another blog--here are my comments from another thread:
    From what I understand, despite the claim of "medical supervision", participants are free to engage in any extreme behavior they want to maximize their scale losses. In an interview, the first winner of TBL (can't remember his name) said that in the 2 weeks before his final weigh in, he ate almost no solid food, underwent numerous "cleanses", and finally resorted to the old-school wrestler practice of exercising in a rubber suit. He claimed that, by the end, he was so dehydrated he was urinating blood. He also stated that in the 2 weeks after the show ended he gained back almost 40 pounds as his body rehydrated itself and reestablished a more normal physiology. Other participants reported similar practices, although not to that extreme.

    Ultimately for me, the "cons" outweigh the very "pros" about TBL. There is just too much bad information and too many unhealthy messages being communicated to a gullible public.
  • mrd232
    mrd232 Posts: 331
    RE: the psychology of a screaming trainer...

    There's arguments for both good cop and bad cop attitudes. I don't think I reflected in my post anywhere that a smug, yelling trainer equated to a contestant failing at losing weight. Some people need the drill instructor motivation to get in gear. Some don't. This becomes evident in the attitudes of the contestants as they progress. They deal with different forms of instruction.

    RE: the sustainability of results

    There is no doubt the contestants are inspiring. I do mention them as motivation in my post. However, the point of the post was to go beyond the numbers the people vie to achieve on the scale and take a stab at what the show does psychologically to its contestants. Is the diet preached on the show sustainable for every person who is on it? No, it is not. Does it produce fast results? Yes, but so can a bottle of diuretic if you're looking for your scale to go down (and from what I've read, diuretics, laxatives, and sauna suits may be used by contestants before final weigh in. So much for healthy resuts, eh?). At first, when someone has significant weight to lose, pounds are a good indicator. Later on in the show, I'd begin to really study their body composition as it's more telling in terms of health and fitness results.

    But honestly...Is a grueling, 2 hour, daily fitness regime critical to obtaining the body you want? NO. Is it sustainable for all who leave the show? NO. Does the audience automatically pull this tidbit of information apart from the inspiring stories? My gut instinct tells me, no, not all the time, and that's too bad.
  • bethany_jurries
    bethany_jurries Posts: 169 Member
    I have been thinking about this the last couple of days as well. I watched TBL for the first time this week--I have avoided commenting on it directly up until now, since I had only seen a couple of clips before.

    I think most of the pro/con arguments have been pretty clearly stated, so I am not going to repeat them. 5 min of googling will bring you to a number of articles discussing the show in more detail.

    I understand the pros of the show. I like the way they put the fat right in your face--the guys weigh in with no shirts, bare midriffs on a number of the women. I think that and the physical activity--although I disagree with a lot of the exercise stuff--has maybe redefined that body image in some people's minds and maybe helped some other people feel less self-conscious about getting out and getting active.

    Like any reality show, it appeals to the worst in us--there's a little Springer in every one of these shows. There is a voyeuristic aspect to them in which people are deliberately put in stressful, emotional, often degrading situations for our entertainment. I do have a problem with the "elimination" part of the show. A lot of the people on the show have some real personality and emotional issues--in that population, I would like the number of people with those issues is higher than average. To put them through everything, especially when they are seeing some positive results and then just cut them loose seems even more irresponsible than usual.

    My biggest criticism comes from something I read on another blog--here are my comments from another thread:
    From what I understand, despite the claim of "medical supervision", participants are free to engage in any extreme behavior they want to maximize their scale losses. In an interview, the first winner of TBL (can't remember his name) said that in the 2 weeks before his final weigh in, he ate almost no solid food, underwent numerous "cleanses", and finally resorted to the old-school wrestler practice of exercising in a rubber suit. He claimed that, by the end, he was so dehydrated he was urinating blood. He also stated that in the 2 weeks after the show ended he gained back almost 40 pounds as his body rehydrated itself and reestablished a more normal physiology. Other participants reported similar practices, although not to that extreme.

    Ultimately for me, the "cons" outweigh the very "pros" about TBL. There is just too much bad information and too many unhealthy messages being communicated to a gullible public.

    Everybody has the chance to make their own choices!!! If they made the choice to spend two weeks starving themselves then they can be held responsible not TBL. Even people outside of TBL do crazy crap like that. Lets remember these people applied for this show and were not held there under arrest. They can leave at any time and they can refuse to do something. They do not lose their right on the show. And two weeks before the finale the contestants are at home training so that was the 1st contestants choice to do what he did to his body.
  • mrd232
    mrd232 Posts: 331
    Azdak - I think we may be reading the same sources. I hadn't really watched the show in some time until recently when my interest was piqued by a blog post and a forum post on Sparkpeople.
  • csingleton24
    csingleton24 Posts: 235 Member
    I've noticed throughout the seasons that they are focusing a little more on food choices than in the past. BUT on that note, I was so mad when Bob suggsted the sugar laden yoplait as a snack! Those viewers who watch TBL that do not have as much information about food will watch the show as a way to learn. I wish he would've suggested something like fat free Greek yogurt instead. Only 2 ingredients in that! How much in that yoplait? I guess they are making changes in the contestants though, just wish it focused more on making more natural, fresh foods at home then working out 5 hours so they can eat out at El Pollo Loco.
  • mrd232
    mrd232 Posts: 331
    I've noticed throughout the seasons that they are focusing a little more on food choices than in the past. BUT on that note, I was so mad when Bob suggsted the sugar laden yoplait as a snack! Those viewers who watch TBL that do not have as much information about food will watch the show as a way to learn. I wish he would've suggested something like fat free Greek yogurt instead. Only 2 ingredients in that! How much in that yoplait? I guess they are making changes in the contestants though, just wish it focused more on making more natural, fresh foods at home then working out 5 hours so they can eat out at El Pollo Loco.

    YES! This! It was the unabashed support of sugar-laden "health" foods like Yoplait that really started to undermine the credibility of the advice given by the trainers. They also back some questionable soy products and processed foods, too.
  • innerhottie
    innerhottie Posts: 163 Member
    I will tell you that I have ALL of the Biggest Loser Books and Bob and Jillian's books and they do NOT promote the eating of junk like Yoplait.
    Those are pretty much commercials that are worked into the show.
    The first season, it was Diet Rite soda. Neither trainer suggest soda AT ALL in their books.

    They are paid to do the promotions on the show.
    Invest in the books if you want to see what they really do. They are very good and have excellent tips, recipes and such.

    Oh and they don't say it on the show, but the contestants have a free day on Sunday. No exercise and they eat 2000 calories for the women and 2400 calories for the men.
  • mrd232
    mrd232 Posts: 331
    I've read excerpts of Jillian's books and did acknowledge in my OP that neither trainer practices what they preach on their show:

    "Advice given in the name of the show’s two top trainers, who, in much of their own work, don’t acknowledge the same form of advice for the majority of dieters. "

    I don't agree 100% with the clean eating and low fat eating pitched in "Master Your Metabolism" or her other books, because, alas, that's another discussion for another time.
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