Question about BMR/TDEE/Eat more, weigh less
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HEY Hey!
I'm to tired to comment tonight but awesome work flying this flag!
BTW Watboy contacted me today.
Dropped from 25% BF down to 19% in 6weeks on my numbers.
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Can someone help me work out what I am supposed to be eating to lose weight??
I have hit a major plateau, and am getting awfully frustrated!
I am breastfeeding my 12 month old (thought I would add that as I know it makes a difference). She feeds about 5 times or so a day.
I am 34 years old, and 166cm tall
My BMR is 1353
TDEE I calculated at 1600 calories.
I do bodyrock 5 days a week. I also walk pushing a double pram 3-4 times a week for 60 minutes.
At the moment I eat anywhere from 1400 - 1500 per day, and I am not losing anything
An help would be appreciated!
Where did you get that TDEE figure? fat2fit.com site?
Otherwise, that is no where near correct.
And even with fat2fit, I'm thinking you must have selected an activity level to try to increase weight loss.
So when you select activity level, add all that time together, those hrs is the same as days/week it refers to.0 -
Can someone help me work out what I am supposed to be eating to lose weight??
I have hit a major plateau, and am getting awfully frustrated!
I am breastfeeding my 12 month old (thought I would add that as I know it makes a difference). She feeds about 5 times or so a day.
I am 34 years old, and 166cm tall
My BMR is 1353
TDEE I calculated at 1600 calories.
I do bodyrock 5 days a week. I also walk pushing a double pram 3-4 times a week for 60 minutes.
At the moment I eat anywhere from 1400 - 1500 per day, and I am not losing anything
An help would be appreciated!
Where did you get that TDEE figure? fat2fit.com site?
Otherwise, that is no where near correct.
And even with fat2fit, I'm thinking you must have selected an activity level to try to increase weight loss.
So when you select activity level, add all that time together, those hrs is the same as days/week it refers to.
There was a post on here about 6 weeks ago that gave a link to a site that the US Military use ?? I used that to work out my BMR, and my TDEE. I selected lightly active for my activity level. I did not factor in my breastfeeding (as I had no idea how to)....
I just redid it on fitnessfrog.com and I got:
BMR 1380
TDEE 2129 (Based on moderate exercise).
So, please excuse my ignorance...me eating 1400-1500 calories per day isnt enough, and my body has slowed its metabolism? If that is the case, I need to up my calories in order to kick start it again? Last night I changed my daily goal to 1800 per day - will that suffice to get the weight loss going again?0 -
There was a post on here about 6 weeks ago that gave a link to a site that the US Military use ?? I used that to work out my BMR, and my TDEE. I selected lightly active for my activity level. I did not factor in my breastfeeding (as I had no idea how to)....
I just redid it on fitnessfrog.com and I got:
BMR 1380
TDEE 2129 (Based on moderate exercise).
So, please excuse my ignorance...me eating 1400-1500 calories per day isnt enough, and my body has slowed its metabolism? If that is the case, I need to up my calories in order to kick start it again? Last night I changed my daily goal to 1800 per day - will that suffice to get the weight loss going again?
ah, combo underestimating activity level, and the fact the fat2fit site is TDEE based on goal weight, not current weight, already gave you a deficit.
So this current TDEE sounds better for your stated level of activity. Plus it's figured you need 500 extra cal's for baby.
So 2129 - 10% = 1810 - call it 1800. So good job, you nailed it.
That's not as big a deficit, because you need that extra for baby everyday. When that is done, you can revisit the calculator because it will have changed, and take a 15% cut then.
So indeed, you eating 1400-1500 cal's, exercise taking 300 of that off the top, baby getting at least 400 more, left 700-800 cal's for the body to perform those BMR functions with, when it was willing and wanting to burn 1380 calories on.
So BMR slows down eventually, and all other daily activity burns less too now.
So now that 800 about BMR with activity factor 1.55 is 1240, and you are eating at 1400-1500. So of course there is some balancing there, and the metabolism doesn't slow down as much.
But the end effect is, you're eating at maintenance basically. Any splurges are surplus, and surplus is stored as ... fat. Unless you are always carb depleted, in which case those stores goes up to support your exercise.
Wise direction to take. The other direction has failure written on it after however much lag time you would get before slowdown again.0 -
So now that 800 about BMR
A BMR of 800 ? You cannot be serious.0 -
So now that 800 about BMR
A BMR of 800 ? You cannot be serious.
If shes a hobbit?0 -
So now that 800 about BMR
A BMR of 800 ? You cannot be serious.
No, the BMR and the AMR balance out to what is being consumed. One way to look at it is the BMR goes low, but of course not that low. As one of the studies you found says, other daily activity is just slowed down more so BMR gets bare minimum it needs.
How else can you have no weight loss and no measurement changes if you are supposedly eating at a 500-750 cal deficit?
The deficit really isn't there.
And I'm going to assume that the food logging is not so awful that the inaccuracies make up a 500-750 deficit and exercise calories and daily activity calories to end up higher estimated BMR.
Considering the BMR studies showed the BMR estimates to be within 10% of true lab tested, I doubt greatly someone's metabolism if burning fully is that far below estimated healthy to cause that deficit to not really be there.0 -
If shes a hobbit?
LOL.
"Other species are available."0 -
And I'm going to assume that the food logging is not so awful that the inaccuracies make up a 500-750 deficit and exercise calories and daily activity calories to end up higher estimated BMR.
I've watched a few videos this week that would put me in the opposite camp - people under reporting by 50% etc.
Seems a more likely answer than BMRs that low, as you say. Even the obese women whacked with a VLCD at 300 calories stayed above 1200 http://pinterest.com/pin/48413764714673576/0 -
Eating more is definitely important if one is exercising frequently.0
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MFP currently has my calories set at 1200 and I am currently in month 2 of Insanity. I've lost about 11 pounds but I feel like the last couple of weeks I am just gaining and loosing the same 1-2lbs a week. I haven't gotten a HRM yet so I just guess how many calories I burn (around 200-250) per workout. I usually eat most if not all of my exercise calories back to net 1200. I just recently calculated my BMR and TDEE and they are:
BMR: 1507 using the Harris-Benedict formula
TDEE: 2326
According to fat2fitradio.com I need to eat 2184cal a day for moderate exercise 3-5 day/week and 2431 for very active/hard exercise 6-7 days/week. I would consider Insanity between one of the two. I guess its just scaring me a little bit to increase my calories by almost 1000 a day as this was around how much I was eating before my weight loss journey! Does anyone have any advice or has anyone upped their calories by this much and seen success? Also, will I start to gain some before I start to loose? I only have about 20-25 lbs to my goal
Your insanity burn is too low for such intense exercise. I have an HRM and burn about 450 for 40-45 minutes of Zumba and about 500 per hour of walking. Your insanity has to be in the range of 500 or up.0 -
Anyone who is thinking of "eating more"
1) Please join the group and read all the thumbtacked threads. All your questions will be answered.. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/3817-eat-more-to-weigh-less
2) you figured out your BMR and TDEE.. now don't just pick a random "higher than before number" to eat at... Eat at your TDEE -15% and stick it out for at least a month to see how it works for you.0 -
I'm sorry to say I have no idea what Insanity is. But as a general rule I'd say that you're not going to lose much weight if you eat the calories that you earn from exercise.
The benefits of this MFP, for me anyway, are that I definitely moderate what I eat when I have to record everything that I put in my mouth and also that if I stick to my recommended calories and exercise 3 times a week I lose weight!
I NEVER eat the calories I earn from exercise - it defeats the purpose of doing the exercise in the first place! The way I see it, if you eat the calories earned from exercise you've only bothered to do exercise so you can eat more which means that you are not really as focussed on weight loss as you should be.
I'm in favour of "eat less, move more" if we all did that, these sites wouldn't be so necessary!
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MFP currently has my calories set at 1200 and I am currently in month 2 of Insanity. I've lost about 11 pounds but I feel like the last couple of weeks I am just gaining and loosing the same 1-2lbs a week. I haven't gotten a HRM yet so I just guess how many calories I burn (around 200-250) per workout. I usually eat most if not all of my exercise calories back to net 1200. I just recently calculated my BMR and TDEE and they are:
BMR: 1507 using the Harris-Benedict formula
TDEE: 2326
According to fat2fitradio.com I need to eat 2184cal a day for moderate exercise 3-5 day/week and 2431 for very active/hard exercise 6-7 days/week. I would consider Insanity between one of the two. I guess its just scaring me a little bit to increase my calories by almost 1000 a day as this was around how much I was eating before my weight loss journey! Does anyone have any advice or has anyone upped their calories by this much and seen success? Also, will I start to gain some before I start to loose? I only have about 20-25 lbs to my goal
The numbers on fat2fit only include a small deficit which may be under 1lb / week, which is what you should aim for with the amount you have to lose.
Rerun your numbers with your current weight in the 'goal weight' box, this will give you your current tdee rather than one for your goal weight. Take your deficit from this (500 cals for 1lb).
I would start with the moderate activity, if you lose more than 1lb them increase slightly more.
You will probably gain first week of increase, then loss will start. Stick with the cals for a few weeks before adjusting.
My friend recently increased from 700 to 1700 and only gained 1lv. I gained 0.8 from 1100 to 1650 net.0 -
Eating more is definitely important if one is exercising frequently.
I only work out 3 times a week for a 200 cal burn per session.
Anabolic mode ON!
Nutrient partitioning at its best.
Any overflow from fats gets burned off during the morning fast.
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Could someone tell me if my numbers look right please ?
Im 33 female, 5'4" 135 pounds.
Exercise 5 days a week about 40 min each, running and/or weights.
Desk job 5 hours a day 5 days a week, but garden and clean and am on my feet till evening at home.
TDEE 2141
BMR 1382
15% of TDEE is 1819
At this point on mfp I have it set to lose a pound a week and thats 1280 calories a day, but then with exercise I eat back at least another 200-250 daily so im at like 1480-1530 calories a day.
If I follow the formula thats an approximate 280 calories more a day. Should I try this? I am within about 14 pounds of my goal and I have built up good muscle but this last bit is all fat. Im afraid that I may start to stall out since I am so close.
That would be about 3hrs weekly of time, no matter it is 5 days, so that is top of Lightly Active - so 1900.
15% off is 1615 daily, workout or not.
So not much more from where you are at, make the jump.
If you increase the time of the workouts, bump up to 2000.
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I'm sorry to say I have no idea what Insanity is. But as a general rule I'd say that you're not going to lose much weight if you eat the calories that you earn from exercise.
The benefits of this MFP, for me anyway, are that I definitely moderate what I eat when I have to record everything that I put in my mouth and also that if I stick to my recommended calories and exercise 3 times a week I lose weight!
I NEVER eat the calories I earn from exercise - it defeats the purpose of doing the exercise in the first place! The way I see it, if you eat the calories earned from exercise you've only bothered to do exercise so you can eat more which means that you are not really as focussed on weight loss as you should be.
I'm in favour of "eat less, move more" if we all did that, these sites wouldn't be so necessary!
This just means you don't understand how MFP works differently from most other sites giving you a goal.
Might look at the FAQ to understand. Common confusing idea by those not looking at the goal page closely enough after they entered in their stats.
Do you recall anything about exercise in your selection of activity levels?
Did you select a weight loss goal in that setup?
Now go look at your Goals page and do some math to see what is going on.0 -
Okay im so new to this site i dont even have a profile set up! These board are beyond amazing!! I am 5'6 124lbs (dieting has got me used to american weighing) and i want to lose but i have suffered with ED in the past and so the idea of potentially gaining is enough to break me into a nervous sweat. Oh im also scared of my scales! I exercise 4-5 times per week for 70ish mins burning about 500 cals. About to start a desk job. I also have hypoglycemia whi h EATING SO LITTLE IS NOT HELPING WITH but then my ED KICKS IN and well....im a bit of a mess really, can anyone give me advice on how much i should be eating?0
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I'm sorry to say I have no idea what Insanity is. But as a general rule I'd say that you're not going to lose much weight if you eat the calories that you earn from exercise.
The benefits of this MFP, for me anyway, are that I definitely moderate what I eat when I have to record everything that I put in my mouth and also that if I stick to my recommended calories and exercise 3 times a week I lose weight!
I NEVER eat the calories I earn from exercise - it defeats the purpose of doing the exercise in the first place! The way I see it, if you eat the calories earned from exercise you've only bothered to do exercise so you can eat more which means that you are not really as focussed on weight loss as you should be.
I'm in favour of "eat less, move more" if we all did that, these sites wouldn't be so necessary!
I suggest you read the stickied threads at the top of the page - they will explain to you how MFP works, and why you eat back your exercise calories, if yuo are following MFP's methods.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/6556-the-answers-to-the-questions0 -
Okay im so new to this site i dont even have a profile set up! These board are beyond amazing!! I am 5'6 124lbs (dieting has got me used to american weighing) and i want to lose but i have suffered with ED in the past and so the idea of potentially gaining is enough to break me into a nervous sweat. Oh im also scared of my scales! I exercise 4-5 times per week for 70ish mins burning about 500 cals. About to start a desk job. I also have hypoglycemia whi h EATING SO LITTLE IS NOT HELPING WITH but then my ED KICKS IN and well....im a bit of a mess really, can anyone give me advice on how much i should be eating?
You are a bit underweight at 5'6".
Perfect weight at your height is about 130lbs.
If you lift weights, hit the food hard on lifting days and eat about 2200-2500 cals that are heavy in protein and carbs.
Protein should be about 1g per pound, fats should be about .30g per lean pound.
Carbs make up the rest at about 55-60% of your overall cals for the day.
On rest days eat about 1500cals with heavy protein and fats at about .70g per Lean Pound.
PM me for details if you need help.0 -
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Yes. You can either set up your goal to be your Goal Weight TDEE at sedentary, the add and eat your exercise calories. But if you exercise regularly its just better to not worry about eating back calories. I still log my lifting, I just put that it burned 1 calorie.
I was thinking of setting my goal to 1860 but if i do that do you think I should eat my calories back?
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This is exactly what I've started doing this weekend. Previously, I was netting 1200 calories, but burning 600-800 per day. My body lost weight at first, but then I stalled out. Someone here mentioned setting the goals like you mentioned above. I've put my calories at 1700 and still log exercise, but enter the calorie count at 1. This way I know exactly how many calories I'm actually consuming. I was also told not to exercise so much. He said try about 3 times per week, burning no more than 400 calories. And if I need to do more, take a walk or a leisurely bike ride. I'm going to try this for a month and see where it puts me.0 -
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HEY Hey!
I'm to tired to comment tonight but awesome work flying this flag!
BTW Watboy contacted me today.
Dropped from 25% BF down to 19% in 6weeks on my numbers.
Awesome stuff happens when you realize it isn't just calories in vs calories out but hormones up vs hormones down!
=D
HelloitsDan- I've seen your name around a bit!
Can you clarify what you mean by "hormones in, hormones out"? You lost me on that one.
I am 32, female, 5'1"
I started out (in November) eating MFP's standard short woman calorie goal of 1200. Yeah, great, had some success for awhile. Short plateau in February or so, and upped to 1400 cals.
Now i am fluctuating in a 6lb range since early April. I increased my calories in May, but i could still really use some help. I am not sure if i am eating too much for me or not enough.
Current weight is 146-150lbs. Goal weight is who knows what, but on the fat2fit site, i entered 120lbs.
Fat2Fit gives me a BMR of 1362-1449, depending on method used.
For lightly active, i should eat 1825, moderate 2057
My workouts are now 1.5 hours Tuesday (bootcamp/crossfit) and 1 hour on Thursday (Strength or cardio kickboxing class) 45 min Friday (bootcamp) and 30min-60min on Saturday (jog/walk) That is fairly consistent. My HRM seems to give me slightly lower cal burns than others think i should be getting for my workouts, i hit over 400 for Tuesday but otherwise it is more in the 300-350 range and 170 or so for strength class.
Can anyone help me out? I am so ready to bust through this plateau. I dont eat super clean, but i aim for 90grams of protein a day and try to make wise choices. I have not been logging consistently on weekends lately.
Thanks.
Edited to add: my daily cal goal was set at 1800 and i recently dropped it down to 1680 for fear that i was eating too much. Yes, 1680 is basically a number i pulled out of the sky, thus why i need some guidance:)0 -
Okay im so new to this site i dont even have a profile set up! These board are beyond amazing!! I am 5'6 124lbs (dieting has got me used to american weighing) and i want to lose but i have suffered with ED in the past and so the idea of potentially gaining is enough to break me into a nervous sweat. Oh im also scared of my scales! I exercise 4-5 times per week for 70ish mins burning about 500 cals. About to start a desk job. I also have hypoglycemia whi h EATING SO LITTLE IS NOT HELPING WITH but then my ED KICKS IN and well....im a bit of a mess really, can anyone give me advice on how much i should be eating?
You are a bit underweight at 5'6".
Perfect weight at your height is about 130lbs.
If you lift weights, hit the food hard on lifting days and eat about 2200-2500 cals that are heavy in protein and carbs.
Protein should be about 1g per pound, fats should be about .30g per lean pound.
Carbs make up the rest at about 55-60% of your overall cals for the day.
On rest days eat about 1500cals with heavy protein and fats at about .70g per Lean Pound.
PM me for details if you need help.
Ah thank you!!! I dont lift as i have puny arms but i am aiming to get into bodypump at my gym, im not a fan of Les Mills but i loved body pumping the other day! I am a cardio freak, treadmill, ski-skatr, elliptical etc, would that workout day cal intake be the same regardless of HOW the calories are burned? I eat fairly clean in terms of meals, eggs, fish, chicken, veg etc but i snack DIRTY0 -
I just wanted to chime in and also suggest http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/3834-eat-more-to-weigh-less.
Tons of stickies and videos to answer your questions plus a group of very helpful encouraging people!0 -
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I use an app called DB tracker, eaten 1410 cals and burned 564.....is that where im going wrong?! This is beyond confusing to me i thought eat less, move more was the simple math!0
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I use an app called DB tracker, eaten 1410 cals and burned 564.....is that where im going wrong?! This is beyond confusing to me i thought eat less, move more was the simple math!
Move more is easy, more than you did previously.
But eat less than what? What you did previously? Very few ever take the time to log exactly what they used to eat before deciding to make changes.
If they did it would be simple - I ate 3000 calories and never seem to gain nor lose.
There's your TDEE, now eat 2000 and lose 1lb a week.
But start exercising, you are causing the same thing with bigger deficit.
So ok, eat 2500 and move more. 500 calorie burn daily avg more.
Still deficit of 1000 from a known level.
You've big an estimated figure based on who knows what, possibly having a huge deficit, and an additional big deficit from moving more.
If big deficits aren't bad, just don't eat until you've lost all the weight.0
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