Buying New Bike - Advice Please Cyclists?
graelwyn
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I already have a Carrera crossfire 1 and am finding it rather too heavy for the distances I am doing, and the hills.
I have been looking at the Trek bikes, the Carrera Gryphon(which is around 11kg) and the Boardman comp.
I travel not only on road, but also some cycle paths that are a bit bumpy, and have to go over cattle grids and bumps, so I am not sure which would be the best and fastest bike for me.
The tyres on the boardman look very thin and not sure how stable I would be on that going over grids and the like, tho I see plenty of people on road bikes going the same route as me.
I have been looking at the Trek bikes, the Carrera Gryphon(which is around 11kg) and the Boardman comp.
I travel not only on road, but also some cycle paths that are a bit bumpy, and have to go over cattle grids and bumps, so I am not sure which would be the best and fastest bike for me.
The tyres on the boardman look very thin and not sure how stable I would be on that going over grids and the like, tho I see plenty of people on road bikes going the same route as me.
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I just bought a carrera crossfire 1 today.
Went out on it and it's wonderful compared to my useless Apollo Slant.
I have no idea what to suggest but hope you find a good one.0 -
Maybe go look at a Cyclecross bike, they are a cross between road bike and Mtn Bike, they look more like road bikes and have drop bars.
Typically they have 700C X32mm wheels that are a bit wider than a road bike and have some tread, If you want something fast that can take a cattle guard, that would be a great choice. They are only slightly heavier than most road bikes and if you get one with a carbon front fork, it will help to absorb vibration.
Go to a local bike store and ask to try one. I recently moved most of my riding from a mtn bike to a Road bike and was astounded at how much faster the road bike was.0 -
The Carrera Crossfire is a cyclecross, only we call it a hybrid here in the Uk. However, some models seem to be heavier than others, or have wider tired, and this thing is, as said, over 14kg. Too heavy for me really, for what I am doing, which is mostly roads and some hills. I would get a road bike, but not sure I'd feel very secure on such narrow tyres.
I only get up to about 12mph on this thing, even putting full effort in, and would like to get faster.0 -
Oh.. your buying a bicycle....
When you said a bike.. I thought you meant a Harley Davidson!0 -
The Carrera Crossfire is a cyclecross, only we call it a hybrid here in the Uk. However, some models seem to be heavier than others, or have wider tired, and this thing is, as said, over 14kg. Too heavy for me really, for what I am doing, which is mostly roads and some hills. I would get a road bike, but not sure I'd feel very secure on such narrow tyres.
I only get up to about 12mph on this thing, even putting full effort in, and would like to get faster.
Hybrids are Hybrids, CX is different, here is a good example of a CX Bike
I thought the same way about road bikes until I got one. I am more comfortable on my road bike than I ever was on my mtn bile and feel I have better control when on the roads.
The current road bike I am on is
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I ride a specialized CruX its sexy0
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As well if you are looking at Trek, Check out the CX Bikes they have in the UK.
http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/bikes/road/cyclocross/ion_cx/ion_cx/#0 -
I have a Bianchi Volpe cyclocross bike, with the wider tires, and I just love it. It rides so much like a standard road bike, yet I can take it out on cycling trails. It's steel which makes it a little heavier than most, but boy oh boy does that make for a smoooooooth ride.
It has my vote.0 -
I LOVE my Trek 7.3FX. It is a hybrid, so it is light enough for consistent road use, but also has treads for bumpier terrain. http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/town/fitness/fx/7_4_fx_wsd/#0
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As well if you are looking at Trek, Check out the CX Bikes they have in the UK.
http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/bikes/road/cyclocross/ion_cx/ion_cx/#
neat0 -
I'd assume you're currently on an aluminum bike. You could go carbon. That should lighten things up a bit0
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As well if you are looking at Trek, Check out the CX Bikes they have in the UK.
http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/bikes/road/cyclocross/ion_cx/ion_cx/#
thats like the XO here in the states aye?
Not sure, I am in Canada, But I see the Ion CX Listed in the USA as well.0 -
Bikes are awesome. If most of what you're doing is on the road and you want to get quicker and find hills easier, then I'd suggest a road bike with drop bars. They'll cope with cattle grids and bumpyish towpaths (although a CX bike would be better), but they're so awesome on tarmac that you wont mind slowing down a bit for the tricky bits.
Grippy tyres **arent** grippier on tarmac. Skinny, slick tyres are fine if you blow them up properly (buy a track pump whatever kind of bike you get...)
For me, it's good to be able to fit a pannier rack and mudguards so I can use the bike in foul weather *and* carry enough stuff to get changed when I arrive at the pub. Giant and Trek both do road bikes like that, as do Boardman. Carrera bikes get a pretty bad rap, not sure if it's deserved or not.
Ping me if you want more specific info...0 -
As well if you are looking at Trek, Check out the CX Bikes they have in the UK.
http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/bikes/road/cyclocross/ion_cx/ion_cx/#
thats like the XO here in the states aye?
Not sure, I am in Canada, But I see the Ion CX Listed in the USA as well.
yeah I just noticed that .....0 -
Hi I'm a specialized fan. This is a good one http://www.cyclesurgery.com/pws/UniqueProductKey.ice?ProductID=CSBC1076WB&gclid=CPDazN6mnLACFcQKfAod5EgFWA but if you want to spend a bit more the sirus is a great choice.0
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Cyclocross is more in the area you are looking for i think - Dropped handlebars for a more agressive aerodynamic riding position which will allow for higher average speed and longer distances. Also has the ability to do light off road duties, such as canal towpaths and dodgy road surfaces (what here in the UK, surely not!).
If you like Boardmans then the Team CX is cracking value for money.
Your Hybrid is a heavy old hector weighing in at around 15kg, the Boardman CX is about 10kg so you should feel the difference.
If the cyclocross idea doesn't suit then a road (race) bike with a good sturdy wheelset may do the trick to cope with the rough stuff - all depends on budget - carbon frame mountainbikes look like they weigh a ton but are very light and very strong.
HTH0 -
I have a Specialized Sirrus which is a hybrid leaning toward an entry-level road bike. I put road tires on it since I only ever use it on pavement (though I go over railroad lines and rough terrain) and gravel roads. It costs about $600 new in the US, and has been a good bike for me for the last 4 years.
EDIT: Just checked and, while Specialized doesn't have weight listed, the Sirrus appears to be about 24 pounds or somewhere around 11 kilograms.
I prefer T-bars for the wider handlebar which gives me more control over rougher surfaces and during extreme maneuvers (like the oncoming car I had to dodge last week). I know a lot of people prefer drop bars - to me they are too narrow for precise control when the going gets rough, but to each their own.
But for any packed surface, smooth tires are better. Even gravel. Soft sand and loose dirt are the only conditions where you'd prefer any sort of traction. Get a good quality pair of smooth road tires, and if the going is rough in spots get a puncture-resistant one (Specialized Armadillos served me well for 1,500 miles).0 -
I'm a bit biased on this one...
Personally I would go for the Boardman Comp, a bike designed by a British cyclist would win it for me! I think Carbon is a bit more forgiving over rougher terrain, I ride an aluminium frame with Carbon forks and a Carbon seat post and that works for me.
I have done many events where we ride over cattle grids and it's not so bad, even over bumpy terrain! You could always put wider tyres if that was a cause for concern.
Good luck in your search, I hope whatever you find serves you well!
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oh aye, & if your feeling flush - i'll have one of these please & thank you...
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Thanks for all the input. I have never cycled with the drop handlebars and to be honest, am a bit wary of trying them, preferring the straight handlebars, another reason I have avoided a road bike. I don't know how I'd get on cycling in that sort of position. I just want a sort of in between in terms of speed, where I am not coming to a crawl whenever there is a gust of wind coming my way.
I cannot spend vast amounts, probably up to around £500, the cost of the boardman comp, would be my limit.
I suppose it is between the boardman and the trek really, as I have not found a local stockist of Giant. There are Marins locally too.
So far, the furthest I have gone in a day is about 50 miles, but the effort it is taking is putting me off going to further out places I would like to go.0 -
See if you can get a test ride on the trek & the boardman, find out which feels better for you. Also see if you can sneak a ride on the carrera tdf to find out how you get on with the dropped bars. Online retailers like wiggle offer 30 day test rides on bikes purchased through them & they have some great deals going on last years models. Do let us know which way you go, love me some bike chat!0
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the boardman comp looks great, and they get great reviews! The thing about bikes with drop bars though is that they normally help for long distances because you can move your hands about much more.
The normal riding position is NOT on the drop bit of the bars; your hands rest naturally on the bit behind the brake levers - the hoods - (which are also gear levers). You only need to use the drop bits when you're fighting into a really nasty wind, or racing someone (!) or you can put your hands on the horizontal bit at the top, a bit like having a flat bar but much narrower.
It's worth trying a bike with drop bars to see how it feels, a lot of friends have sold their flat-bar bike after six months to get one with drop bars when they get a bit sore not being able to move their hands about as much.
The other big help for comfort would be carbon forks, which absorb a lot of the 'buzz' from road surfaces compared to aluminium.
My wifes first bike was one of these: http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/specialized-dolce-24-12?bct=browse/bicycles/road-bikes
carbon forks, very comfy position and (importantly) extra brake levers on the horizontal bit at the top, which she used quite a lot while she was getting comfortable with the riding position. If you can find one nearby to test, then it might be worth a go! (but it's over budget, a bit.....)0 -
I dont know how well this fits your needs but:
I bought a Trek Alpha 2.1 i n 2010, which is an aluminium frame, carbon forks, around 11-12kg if I recall - sort of the minimum you can keep up with a cycling group. Once way to think about drop handles is, you dont HAVE to stay down on them, they give you more options to sit up or go low.
I have done 5000k on it since I bought it, no probs. I dont do cattle grids but I do tramlines and railway crossings without issue.
The kicker for me was the gearset - talking with folk who knew better than I, Shimano 105 were the gears to go for at my level - Shimano sort of go Sora - Tiagra - 105 - Ultegra, with more above and below. My group tends to ride 40-50k hills or 80 k flats on sunday mornings, so we are not extreme.
Finally, at this level of Bike ($2KAUD), the frames are much of a muchness, I think you are better off finding a bike shop you can trust, and who will look after you without a) a bill for everything and b) making you feel stupid0 -
the boardman comp looks great, and they get great reviews! The thing about bikes with drop bars though is that they normally help for long distances because you can move your hands about much more.
The normal riding position is NOT on the drop bit of the bars; your hands rest naturally on the bit behind the brake levers - the hoods - (which are also gear levers). You only need to use the drop bits when you're fighting into a really nasty wind, or racing someone (!) or you can put your hands on the horizontal bit at the top, a bit like having a flat bar but much narrower.
It's worth trying a bike with drop bars to see how it feels, a lot of friends have sold their flat-bar bike after six months to get one with drop bars when they get a bit sore not being able to move their hands about as much.
Drop bars are SO much comfier than flat bars...flat bars give the rider just ONE hand position. And I feel MUCH more stable going down hills at speed in my drops, since it lowers my center of gravity. I do probably 85% of my riding on the hoods, maybe 10% in the drops, and probably all of 5% on the flat top of the bars. I don't know why so many people are averse to riding a bike with drop bars. There are people who even put them on mountain bikes.
And cyclocross cyclocross cyclocross. If I could only have one bike it would be a CX frame. My dream über bike would be a custom Seven Mudhoney in titanium with disc brakes. I'd have one set of light wheels mounted with road tires and a 2nd set of beefier wheels mounted with CX tires so that I could easily swap out my wheels depending upon the terrain I wanted to ride. In the meantime my favorite bike of my 3 is my Redline Conquest CX bike. It's aluminum with a carbon fork and very smooth. It's not super heavy, either...I think maybe 21#s.0 -
And cyclocross cyclocross cyclocross. If I could only have one bike it would be a CX frame. My dream über bike would be a custom Seven Mudhoney in titanium with disc brakes. I'd have one set of light wheels mounted with road tires and a 2nd set of beefier wheels mounted with CX tires so that I could easily swap out my wheels depending upon the terrain I wanted to ride. In the meantime my favorite bike of my 3 is my Redline Conquest CX bike. It's aluminum with a carbon fork and very smooth. It's not super heavy, either...I think maybe 21#s.
titanium bikes are **amazing**... there are 4 in our garage0 -
Thanks for all the input. I have never cycled with the drop handlebars and to be honest, am a bit wary of trying them, preferring the straight handlebars, another reason I have avoided a road bike. I don't know how I'd get on cycling in that sort of position. I just want a sort of in between in terms of speed, where I am not coming to a crawl whenever there is a gust of wind coming my way.
I cannot spend vast amounts, probably up to around £500, the cost of the boardman comp, would be my limit.
I suppose it is between the boardman and the trek really, as I have not found a local stockist of Giant. There are Marins locally too.
So far, the furthest I have gone in a day is about 50 miles, but the effort it is taking is putting me off going to further out places I would like to go.
You'll love having a new better bike that weighs less, regardless of what style you get. Buy it from a store that let you really test it and properly fits it for you! Most bikes are designed with men's body shapes in mind (longer torsos) so it is particularly important that the reach be correct. I used to teach beginning mountain biking to women and over and over again I saw women come with new bikes that were too big for them.
I'd also say that you may want to think about training for longer distances if that is what you want to do. A classic group ride is a 100 miles and cycle magazines will have good training regimes to get you ready. They generally include shorter speed work days during the week and then progressively longer rides on the weekend. These training schedules are probably on the internet as well this stuff is probably on the internet as well. I found one that is very straightforward and also talks about some strength training to accompany it. Here's that link but I didn't do much searching: http://www.adventurecorps.com/way/centtrain2007.html
Obviously, you don't have to sign up for an organized century, you can just set a day that you want to ride a hundred miles in about 6-10 weeks and start working towards it. Though I recommend having someone to ride it with. I did my only hundred mile ride by myself in hilly Austria and it was lonely (if gorgeous).0 -
titanium bikes are **amazing**... there are 4 in our garage
NICE! A friend of ours has a titanium mudhoney and a titanium Mukluk. Her left forearm also has 2 overlapping titanium plates from a couple of mountain biking crashes. She has a thing for Ti.0
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