Calories vs. Exercise
cmoon00
Posts: 18
Good Morning All,
I need some advice here....
When I first started MFP, I had my calorie intake set to 1200. I sit at a desk all day for work, so not very active, and I was not working out at the time. Each day I was staying under 1200, but coming close to it and I dropped 4 lbs. very quickly.
Now, I have started working out consistantly again. So I have increased my calorie intake to 1310 since I am now working out at least 3 days a week thus burning additional calories. On the days I am NOT working out, I am making sure that I am still at least hitting 1200 with my calorie intake, as that is what the goal was when I wasn't being active.
Question is -
1. Am I even doing this right??
2. I'm not dropping weight now after adding in the exercise and increase in calories, why?
3. Side note, what do all of you do for EXTREME muscle soreness besides Epson salt, icy hot, etc? (I've been walking around for a week looking like a 70 year old lady. It looks even worse when I try to sit down!)
Any advice/suggestions you could provide would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you,
Catrina
I need some advice here....
When I first started MFP, I had my calorie intake set to 1200. I sit at a desk all day for work, so not very active, and I was not working out at the time. Each day I was staying under 1200, but coming close to it and I dropped 4 lbs. very quickly.
Now, I have started working out consistantly again. So I have increased my calorie intake to 1310 since I am now working out at least 3 days a week thus burning additional calories. On the days I am NOT working out, I am making sure that I am still at least hitting 1200 with my calorie intake, as that is what the goal was when I wasn't being active.
Question is -
1. Am I even doing this right??
2. I'm not dropping weight now after adding in the exercise and increase in calories, why?
3. Side note, what do all of you do for EXTREME muscle soreness besides Epson salt, icy hot, etc? (I've been walking around for a week looking like a 70 year old lady. It looks even worse when I try to sit down!)
Any advice/suggestions you could provide would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you,
Catrina
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There's no way to know whether or not your calorie budget is reasonable unless you open your diary. In general, though, someone as close to their goal weight as you are should set their weight loss goal to one half pound or less per week. That's to minimize the muscle loss you'd see on a more aggressive calorie deficit. Obese people can get by with high deficits because they have so much more fat to lose, relative to their muscle mass.
The muscle soreness answers your second question: your muscles are inflamed and retaining water as a normal part of the post-exercise recovery process. It's common for water retention to temporarily halt or slow down weight loss for a while after a new exercise program is started. This isn't the sort of plateau you need to worry about, though, as it's self limiting and will balance itself out in the end.
I don't know what to do about the soreness other that what you've done, other than take an OTC pain killer.0 -
1. Sounds like you had something that worked and broke it. I would go back to it.
2. Exercise doesn't do a massive amount for weight loss in general, 50 years ago you would have been laughed at if you even suggested it. The creation of large calorie deficits by adding exercise on top of food intake reductions often appears to cause people problems. There are also measuring issues where you might overestimate your exercise and eat more with a resulting loss of calorie deficit.
3. A sore muscle is a swollen muscle, you'll be carrying water around in those sore places which will appear on the scale.0 -
LLKILGORE - Diary settting have been set to Public - I have no shame!! LOL...
I think I have my per week weight loss goal set to 1lb - and that extended my time for weight loss into the first of July. Think that seems right?
YARWELL - you think the "starvation mode" is a myth? What would you consider an acceptable caloric intake per day?
Appreciate you both for the input!!0 -
Everyone is different...you will just have to play around and see how you lose the best.0
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Several times a week I do 45 minute of yoga after my cardio. I am significantly less sore when I get this portion of my workout in!0
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What are you nutrient macros set at? Your calorie intake seems very low to me.0
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For the muscle soreness, eat more potassium. I eat a couple tomatoes a day just for this and it really helps0
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Might need to eat more when exercising. I am assuming since your muscles are sore, you are burning quiet a bit.
So you might want to track how many calories you are burning and try to eat most of them back.0 -
I only walk, although I do it for an hour, 3 days a week. Maybe 4. For me, the biggest factor in weight loss is calories. But I have a lot more to lose than you perhaps if you only have 9 to go. I have lost 21 and have another 20 to go. I think everyone is different and if something worked for you, maybe go back to it. I will say that I have gone 2 weeks with no loss, to suddenly drop 2-3 lbs. Weight loss is not linear and not the same each week. It looks like this is your first month so you might need to give it time.0
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The first week of eating health you usually drop double or triple what you will the rest of the weeks. Are you on your first or second week of exercising? Once you get into it it doesnt hurt as much anymore. I was told to up my magnesium to help with the soreness.0
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I exercise more so I can eat more. For me the only time I gain weight is when I don't get my exercise in. I don't change my eating at all, I just exercise more and I usually lose 1/2 to 1 pound per week which is fine with me. I'm not in a race to lose weight, I'm changing my way of life. I like food too much to starve myself to lose weight so I eat the foods I want in correct portion sizes and I just get more activity in my day when I eat more calories than suggested which is usually every day0
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Your calorie intake could be too low in the first place (I don't know your height/weight/activity level though so I couldn't say for sure). I would recommend using some other calculators to figure out your BMR (basal metabolic rate) and try not to eat below that (I eat my TDEE -15% (total daily energy expenditure- you can calculate all that at http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/) and I'm doing pretty well on it. Often when people are eating too little they will lose weigh quickly at first and then start hitting a speed bump. I had this happen and I did some research and it turns out MFP had me way too low on calories (which it does for a lot of people). I upped my calories and started losing again. Basically I wasn't fueling my body properly and it didn't like it lol.0
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I don't think you are doing anything wrong, in particular.
Unless the rest of your daily activities have changed, I would recommend setting your calorie goal to 1200 as long as your daily routine is the same, and then just consider the exercise as creating more of a calorie deficit. I don't trust any of the calorie counters as being totally accurate, so I don't generally take this into consideration, as I believe they are over-estimated.
I agree with the others, your muscles are probably inflamed resulting in some water retention. And, the soreness will go away in time. If you became THAT sore to cause this amount of pain, I would seriously consider backing off on the intensity and slowly working up to it.0 -
Your calorie intake could be too low in the first place (I don't know your height/weight/activity level though so I couldn't say for sure). I would recommend using some other calculators to figure out your BMR (basal metabolic rate) and try not to eat below that (I eat my TDEE -15% (total daily energy expenditure- you can calculate all that at http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/) and I'm doing pretty well on it. Often when people are eating too little they will lose weigh quickly at first and then start hitting a speed bump. I had this happen and I did some research and it turns out MFP had me way too low on calories (which it does for a lot of people). I upped my calories and started losing again. Basically I wasn't fueling my body properly and it didn't like it lol.
ETA: The Eat More to Weigh Less group has a lot of great info on this0 -
How long have you been working out 3-4 days a week? Your body needs some time to adjust, I would just be patient and keep working hard.0
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JAMIE2007 - "nutrient macros?"0
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It is impossible to know what's wrong without knowing how many calories you are burning during your workouts. If you are burning a lot more than 300 calories per week (which is all you've added to counter your exercise), it is possible you are hitting starvation mode. Here are some steps you may want to take:
1) Get a heart rate monitor for your workouts and calculate how many calories you are burning. You just need a monitor that will tell you your average heart rate over the course of your exercise time, though there are some cool ones that have a bunch of neat functions for different kinds of training if you are interested in that stuff. I use this site to calculate calories burned and have had great success with it: http://www.braydenwm.com/calburn.htm
2) On your workout days (or at least during that same week) eat back all of the exercise calories that you burn. This may seem contradictory, but it is what will help your body avoid setting itself into starvation mode. If you've followed MFP's guided wizard to set your calories per day, your weight loss deficit is already calculated in, so any further calories burned from exercise should be eaten back.
Let me know if you have any questions.0 -
I work with a personal trainer 2 days a week and some weeks are killer! It's usually not the day after that I'm really sore, but the second day after. If you're not used to exercising and you are working it really hard, you may need to slow it down a bit. Personally, after a really hard workout, I like to soak in an epson salt bath that night, don't really know how much it helps, but an hour in a hot bath sure feels good Anti-inflammatory of choice-naproxen (aleeve), seems to work best for me. Also, it's good to give yourself a day off between workouts to allow your muscles to recover (or at least work a different group of muscles the next day). As far as ice, the only thing I ever really ice are my joints. Hope some of this helps.0
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extreme soreness - make sure you are hydrated and not consuming alcohol. white willow bark is a decent pain killer.0
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STACIGAYLE - ditto ditto ditto!!0
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2. Exercise doesn't do a massive amount for weight loss in general, 50 years ago you would have been laughed at if you even suggested it.
Great point that isn't talked about a lot.0 -
You need to eat more for a while and boost up your metabolism again. You are at a plateau because your body is used to the amount of calories your are eating. Actually yo yoing your calories and exercise is good. Eat 1200 one day, 1600 the next and make sure you have a cheat day each week and eat more to boost up that metabolism. After a cheat day, drop your calories for a couple of day and you will loose.0
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I would say it depends on what you are doing for working out. Are you doing exercises that burn fat such as aerobics or are you lifting weights?
If your building muscle via weights (Even if it's just to tone up) then it's gonna slow the weight loss as the body changes and the density of the tissue (Fat vs muscle) gets added on. (Muscle weighs more than fat.)
My guess is your not seeing the same dramatic drop in weight as your adding muscle and that process is slowing the weight loss.0 -
"Starvation Mode" is not a myth, if you don't eat enough, you're body needs to restrain how much energy is used. Maybe you've hit a "wall"?
Personally, I would leave the calorie intake at 1200 and continue to exercise. See how it works out for a week, you might be surprised.0 -
Your calories are too low. Not knowing your size, you should probably be somewhere between 1400-1500 or so. Your body needs fuel and you can only get that from good food. On days you exercise or work out, you should at least eat 1/2 of the calories burned. Carbs for cardio and protein for muscle building. You also want to incorporate strength training to your workouts. Muscles burns more calories. Not saying you have to do bench presses or anything. But a day or two of light weights or resistance in junction with a day or two of cardio should help you. Lastly, you need to be drinking lots of water. Water keeps you cool and hydrated and helps metabolize the fat and remove it from you system...and keeps you detoxified. It will also help with the muscle soreness. Potassium is great for that as well. You can also try apple cider vinegar...1 tsp with water. It helps with blood circulation, has numerous vitamins and can also help in weight loss.
Good luck.0 -
For muscle soreness drink cranberry juice0
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GREGLATINI - great advice, thank you I'm getting the general vibe that my calorie intake is too low it seems. I'm 5'8 and currently sitting at 150lbs. Lean muscle build - not bulky.
Just getting back into cardio and strengh training both - only been back at it a week which explains the extreme soreness...lol. Never heard of the apple cidar vinegar idea, I might have to try that.
Also, I assumed I should be making up those extra calories I burn if I am working out. The two times I have worked out thus far this week, I have tried to eat more throughout the day in anticipation that I am going to burn at least 200 calories when I get in the gym. However, I've had a hard time doing that cause I feel like I am constantly stuffing my face!0 -
2. Exercise doesn't do a massive amount for weight loss in general, 50 years ago you would have been laughed at if you even suggested it.
Great point that isn't talked about a lot.
No, it's not a great point. Calories go in and you either burn them or you get fat. Period.
50 years ago we didn't have access to the huge amount of cheap high calorie food we do now and many people had jobs that were more physical. Obesity was not the problem it is today because the access wasn't there.0 -
I swear you took the words right out of my head. I have more to lose than you do, but MFP set my calories at 1200/day because of the sedentary lifestyle I had when I started. I have since been exercising 3-4 times per week burning at least 400+ calories at each session for a month now. I lost 4 pounds the first week but since then.. nothing. In fact I keep going back and forth between 165 and 159. I bought into the "eating back my exercise calories" idea, but I realized that I was already eating at 1200 calories before starting any of this and eating an additional 400 calories on work out days leaves me stuffed and sleepy and feeling awful. I'm not losing inches, pounds, or seeing any other results. So, I went back to just eating 1200 even on work out days and still... nothing. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'm very interested to see what ends up working for you from the advice you've gained here.0
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I swear you took the words right out of my head. I have more to lose than you do, but MFP set my calories at 1200/day because of the sedentary lifestyle I had when I started. I have since been exercising 3-4 times per week burning at least 400+ calories at each session for a month now. I lost 4 pounds the first week but since then.. nothing. In fact I keep going back and forth between 165 and 159. I bought into the "eating back my exercise calories" idea, but I realized that I was already eating at 1200 calories before starting any of this and eating an additional 400 calories on work out days leaves me stuffed and sleepy and feeling awful. I'm not losing inches, pounds, or seeing any other results. So, I went back to just eating 1200 even on work out days and still... nothing. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'm very interested to see what ends up working for you from the advice you've gained here.
The advice I gave for cmoon00 would apply to you as well. You should let MFP set your initial calories, then get a heart rate monitor (this is pretty important) so you can accurately track how many calories you are burning during exercise and then eat more to offset it. Do this for a month or so, and if you still aren't seeing results, it is possible that you are one of the outliers for which the standard formula that MFP uses isn't precise enough and you may need to adjust your daily goal up or down. However, you should ALWAYS eat back exercise calories, assuming that your initial daily intake is correct. You don't have to eat them back the same day. I spread mine out over the week.0
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