BMI = bull

So, I went to a dietician, talked to her about my goal weight.

I am 5'8", and my goal weight was 130 pounds. She said I absolutely should not reach that, it would be very unhealthy.

But the BMI scale says I could get down to 120 pounds and still be healthy. When I talked to the dietician about it, she said nope, no way, that would be emaciation for someone of my height.

So I don't listen to that **** anymore. Suffering from an ED, I wanted to get down to 120, the lowest end of "healthy" on that scale, but I'm around 150 now and multiple doctors have told me they'd be worried if I lost any more weight.

Watch this video for more about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlXxoG98urc&feature=BFa&list=UUJm5yR1KFcysl_0I3x-iReg

BMI doesn't account for muscle, for body structure, for metabolism, anything like that.

IMO, you guys would all be better off asking your doctor.
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  • wackyfunster
    wackyfunster Posts: 944 Member
    BMI does suck. body composition (body fat% and skeletal muscle%/lean body-mass) is a much better predictor of all measures of health.
  • jayne_mel
    jayne_mel Posts: 173 Member
    120 is actually an underweight bmi for 5'8. 130 though is reasonable for someone your height. 19.65
  • Jflowwers
    Jflowwers Posts: 137 Member
    The bmi is such BS. According to the bmi, I would be at a healthy weight at 118, and my husband at 130. I havent been 118 since maybe 12. My husband at 5'11 would be alarmingly thin.
  • hillm12345
    hillm12345 Posts: 313 Member
    I'm also 5'8" and I got down to 135 once, and instead of compliments all I got were comments that I looked too skinny, that I looked sick, and that I should stop dieting.

    Even at my lowest though, my hip bones would not allow me to fit into a size 8. if that describes my bone structure at all.
  • Stefanie7125
    Stefanie7125 Posts: 462 Member
    i'm 5'8, my goal weight is 155, but I'd be thrilled anywhere around 160ish
  • carld256
    carld256 Posts: 855 Member
    The bmi is such BS. According to the bmi, I would be at a healthy weight at 118, and my husband at 130. I havent been 118 since maybe 12. My husband at 5'11 would be alarmingly thin.

    Those charts provide a range to accommodate different builds. 130 is below a normal healthy weight even for a 5' 11 man with a very slight build. If he's of average build, like most people, the BMI charts would put him more in the range of 150-155.
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    BMI is not the ONLY measure of what dictates a healthy size, but it's reasonable I think for most people of average build or size. The people who complain about it are usually totally misinformed about their appropriate weight range (see poster who claimed a healthy BMI would put her 5'11" husband at 130, nonsense). If you're a little over or a little under, I don't think it's a big deal, but it isn't a bad measure of how you measure up against the averages. Of course, bodybuilders and men or women with more than average muscle mass will not fit the range, but that's a completely different issue.

    I wish doctors would look at body fat percentage, BMI, and waist circumference to get a more comprehensive picture of body size and health though. BMI alone isn't the whole story.

    We, as a society, have lost touch with what is a "healthy" weight. We're used to seeing men at >25% body fat and women at >30% body fat.
  • wackyfunster
    wackyfunster Posts: 944 Member
    Not to defend BMI, because I think it's basically worthless, but a lot of the people who say "OMG X IS WAY TOO SKINNY" don't understand how much body fat they are carrying around. I would have figured that at 5'8" that ~130 would be way too skinny for me, but at 6% body fat, I could still deadlift >300 pounds, bench over 180, etc. and looked pretty big. It really amazed me how much more fat I had to lose than I thought I did (currently bulking to 145, then 155 after another cut, before any of the 'omg you are anorexic wharrgarbl' comments come in).

    Just saying, at 'athletic' body fat numbers, the low end of the BMI scales is a lot more reasonable than it seems to people who are used to a society where normal is 20% body fat on guys and 30% on women.
  • I agree! I am 5'10" and supposed to be between 130 and 174 according to the BMI calculations. At one time I was on the verge of an eating disorder and over exercised until I was at 149 and a size 2/4. My husband complained that I was too boney and my mother thought that I was purging. There is NO WAY I will EVER be there again. I was skinny but unhealthy. I too asked my doctor and he instructed me that my healthy weight would be no less than 180. I was a size 8 at that weight. I would be happy at that weight. That is what my goal now is.

    I would also recommend going to your doctor to find out where you should be. Don't shoot for unrealistic goals.
  • shellsrenee01
    shellsrenee01 Posts: 357 Member
    I've not been able to get private health insurance because of the BMI nonsense. *sigh* Frustrates the hell out of me.
  • Gestahl
    Gestahl Posts: 110 Member
    Sadly, an awful lot of doctors seem to rely on the BMI... although these are generally not good doctors.
  • DB_1106
    DB_1106 Posts: 154 Member
    The only obesity epidemic is the one that is created by the BMI chart. Only about 2% of the population have a BMI over 40, which I would consider obese. That is 1 in 50, not 1 in 4 like the news would have us believe.

    I know many many people who have BMIs over 25 and are in top shape and are considered obese. The scale is a joke and should not be taken seriously.
  • I am 4"11 and 160. It states I should lose 32 pounds. How do I know how much I should actually lose?
  • BeetleChe13
    BeetleChe13 Posts: 498 Member
    The bmi is such BS. According to the bmi, I would be at a healthy weight at 118, and my husband at 130. I havent been 118 since maybe 12. My husband at 5'11 would be alarmingly thin.

    ^This. My hubby is almost 5'10" and 135, and he looks skeletal. We've both been trying to find healthy ways to get him to gain weight. His BMI? 19.4, well within the "healthy" range, but it does not look nor seem healthy at all.
  • BMI calculators tell me that I'm underweight even though my doctor tells me that I'm healthy. I could still even stand to lose a few. But I also have a very small frame, I can overlap my pink and thumb around my wrist. Right now I'm 115 at 5'8" and I used to be at 110 naturally and my doctors told me that I was healthy then also. So I say just stick with what the doctors say.
  • airlily
    airlily Posts: 212 Member
    I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. It says for 5'8" that 124 - 164 is ideal. I'd maybe aim for 150 at the lowest, but 124?! Wow. I have small, 5'4" students who are 120, and I can see pelvic bones on them. I don't know who came up with these generic, sweeping goals.

    My doctor and I have many things to discuss this summer. >.<
  • bergsangel
    bergsangel Posts: 131
    Funny how we are all so different. I am 5'2 and 120 with a very medium range BMI. I don't leave normal range for about another 10-15 pounds. HOWEVER...my body fat is nearly 30% which tells me I have plenty to lose...so I </3 BMI but for the opposite reasons.
  • SmartAlec03211988
    SmartAlec03211988 Posts: 1,896 Member
    BMI is crap.

    According to BMI my target weight range is 94.7 - 128.0 lbs. I'm 130 lbs right now and have a 30 inch waist... which to me is really thin already. In fact my doctor told me not to go below 135 lbs, so according to her I've gone off the deep end already. :P At one point I was 125 lbs and WAY thin. I could NEVER imagine being 94 lbs?!
  • kdeaux1959
    kdeaux1959 Posts: 2,675 Member
    I agree that BMI does not give the full picture. It is a good STARTING POINT for many. I for one have adjusted my weight goal to 225 since most body fat analyses show that I have near 200 lbs of lean mass (200 lbs is the top end of my IBW range (BMI=25)... BMI tells you ONE THING. What is your height to weight ratio. That is all. It says nothing about lean body mass.

    The better guide is a body fat analysis. Keeping your body fat percentage within the recommended levels for your age and physical fitness goals is by far the better and healthier method.

    BMI works for probably 70-80% of the population. It never works for athletic individuals because the muscle mass is so high.
  • DB_1106
    DB_1106 Posts: 154 Member
    In my opinion, this whole BMI crowd is in the same room as all the fat kills you crowd. Eat less meat, eat more grain BS.
  • DB_1106
    DB_1106 Posts: 154 Member
    It must be true, because PETA says that vegetarians are healthier because they have lower BMIs than meat eaters.

    :huh:
  • ZoeyRobinson
    ZoeyRobinson Posts: 301
    According to my BMI and a doctor who was nuts, I should weigh 98 pounds. I once dropped down to 115 and could barely walk across the room without feeling dizzy. I am a muscular girl and I felt great at 140. Which is considered "obese" even friends and family told me I look better heavier. So I no longer listen to doctors and the BMI bologna.

    Do what feels best for you.
  • drgmac
    drgmac Posts: 716 Member
    What??? I am living proof that numbers do lie. I am 5'7" inches tall and 115 pounds. I have a very small frame. My ring finger is a size four, to give you some idea, bur I have a full bust and a butt. I run daily, do Pilates, and lift. And while that may seem like a very low weight, it makes sense given my natural propensity toward leanness and my workouts. I do not have an eating disorder and eat very well. Yes, I watch what I eat but no one has ever commented that I look too thin. I have curves and definition. And my bmi is around 17, I think. Just be careful and do what you think is right and healthy.
  • dhakiyya
    dhakiyya Posts: 481 Member
    What??? I am living proof that numbers do lie. I am 5'7" inches tall and 115 pounds. I have a very small frame. My ring finger is a size four, to give you some idea, bur I have a full bust and a butt. I run daily, do Pilates, and lift. And while that may seem like a very low weight, it makes sense given my natural propensity toward leanness and my workouts. I do not have an eating disorder and eat very well. Yes, I watch what I eat but no one has ever commented that I look too thin. I have curves and definition. And my bmi is around 17, I think. Just be careful and do what you think is right and healthy.

    I'm the opposite of you lol... I'm 5'1" and large build (as in the size of my skeleton, rib cage, etc). My body fat percentage is currently 24% and my BMI is 25. Apparently a healthy weight range for my height is 101-132 lb, and I'm right at the heavy end of that. I know from my own calculations based on my lean body mass and body fat percentage, that at 20% body fat I'd weigh around 124lb. It's generally not recommended to go below 18% body fat. Given that there's *NO WAY* I would be healthy at 101 lb!! I really don't think I should go below 120lb, and my goal weight is not that low even, because I'd like to gain lean body mass. I'm aiming at 20% body fat, and estimate that I'd weigh around 124lb, but preferably I'd like to weigh more than that if I manage to gain some LBM. At the moment I'm working on body re-composition rather than just fat loss, and I don't want too much weight loss.

    BMI can be so misleading as it does not take build into account at all, and there is a lot of variation between small and large build. my youngest daughter has inherited my build, and my friend's daughter who's the same age (2) has a very noticably smaller ribcage (you can tell when you pick them up one after the other), mine is about an inch taller, has a much larger ribcage, and is a kilo heavier than my friend's daughter. (they have the same amount of baby-chub) And that's just at age 2.

    BMI is supposed to take build into account that's why there's a large range, but I've come across so many women, and even health professionals, who think it's better to be in the low end than the high end, when I was a teenager and very athletic and couldn't have had more than 20% body fat (based on the fact that I have significantly more now than back then and I'm currently at 24%) and was always being cautioned that I was "almost overweight" and should "watch what I eat" - advice that made me very paranoid about food and body image for a long time, and totally unnecessary as my body fat percentage was probably lower than a lot of the other girls my age who did no sport and had medium or small build skeletons.

    There are some people who should only be in the high range of BMI and would have to have too low body fat levels, or lose a lot of lean body mass, to get in the low range, and that is not healthy by any definition - and there are others who should only be in the low range and would have a too high body fat percentage if they were in the high range.

    IMO body fat percentage and waist measurements are a lot more reliable, and BMI needs to be consigned to the bin because it can be dangerously misleading!!!
  • rachylouise87
    rachylouise87 Posts: 367 Member
    i hate bmi!! its calculated my lowest weight to be 94lbs because i am 5ft... i would look skeletal. i am 161 at the moment and plan to get to 130
  • Jflowwers
    Jflowwers Posts: 137 Member
    BMI is not the ONLY measure of what dictates a healthy size, but it's reasonable I think for most people of average build or size. The people who complain about it are usually totally misinformed about their appropriate weight range (see poster who claimed a healthy BMI would put her 5'11" husband at 130, nonsense). If you're a little over or a little under, I don't think it's a big deal, but it isn't a bad measure of how you measure up against the averages. Of course, bodybuilders and men or women with more than average muscle mass will not fit the range, but that's a completely different issue.

    I wish doctors would look at body fat percentage, BMI, and waist circumference to get a more comprehensive picture of body size and health though. BMI alone isn't the whole story.

    We, as a society, have lost touch with what is a "healthy" weight. We're used to seeing men at >25% body fat and women at >30% body fat.
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    That poster would be me, I used the bmi caculator on mfp, and put my husbands stats in. Yes , it did say a healthy weight for him would be 132. Which is far from healthy.
  • Jflowwers
    Jflowwers Posts: 137 Member
    The bmi is such BS. According to the bmi, I would be at a healthy weight at 118, and my husband at 130. I havent been 118 since maybe 12. My husband at 5'11 would be alarmingly thin.

    Those charts provide a range to accommodate different builds. 130 is below a normal healthy weight even for a 5' 11 man with a very slight build. If he's of average build, like most people, the BMI charts would put him more in the range of 150-155.

    I would think youd be right, but according to the bmi his healthy weight range is 132- 179. Which is why I say BS.
  • mandi2r
    mandi2r Posts: 228 Member
    I like what my bmi says more than my doctor...
    My doctor laughed at me (when I was at my starting weight) and said I needed to lose 55lbs before I got to the line of healthy/over, but needed to lose even more if I wanted to be healthy.

    My bmi says my healthy weight range is 115-155... I want to reach 135 and maintain that.. Even at 145 I'll be happier.
  • Gwoman2012
    Gwoman2012 Posts: 163 Member
    I think that as a society we are all so big that we don't know what thin really looks like anymore.

    I have been told I don't need to lose weight at 5'7 and 160....um yeah ok. My doctor never brings up my weight, probably because she is obese herself. She told me I don't need to worry about my cholesterol and it was 260!!!